MVC3 Pre-release thread

[CrazyMobius]

Smoof and I have already come up with teams

Mine is

Team Tits a.k.a. Alan's Angels

morrigan/viper/trish

No Felicia love?

If I get this I would like to play Haggar, Arthur and most likely Ameratsu from Okami.

[Hydro]

Man, I'm going with Viper, Ammy, Storm, Phoenix & She-hulk. And I kinda like Skrull too. And Haggar. Yeah Haggar.

[[NIUE] BIRRY WONG]

She Hulk is actually pretty interesting. She brings crumples to the table, which could be fucking awesome.

As for Haggar, i just about shit myself when i saw this pic:



Fuck, based on the SRK forums, I think Its going to be hilarious watching all the SSF4 players playing this online. Im looking forward to fighting someone who trys to play footsies.

[[NIUE] weazzyefff]

The ssf4 players probably gonna beast you g hahah.

That pic is pretty mint haha. Swap Phoenix with Birry Wong and swap text with 'back to MvC2 bitch' hahahaha.

[massi4h]

I never played close attention to this but look at 1:30

DHC doesn't put your character at the back, wtf is that. Does that also mean you can't even do 2 dhcs in a row?

[LN]

Good spotting. Interesting.

[massi4h]

Well either that's an early build error or they want to support switching and random guess air combo switching rather than safe DHCs, not my cup of tea.

[LN]

I'm pretty sure one of the marn vs someone matches at CES had him do 3xDHC though, so I'm not sure quite how these things correlate...

[[NIUE] BIRRY WONG]

Hypothetically, if a 3x DHC ISNT possible, it might not be a bad thing given how high the damage in this game is anyway. Damage in MVC3 is WAY higher than in MVC2. Imagine someone sitting there building 3 meters, and turtling for half an hour waiting for the opponent to call his assist, then doing 3 supers and one shotting the assist character. I dont mind the idea of one-shotting something, but you should at least have to work for it. Not just "Do 3 supers". Even in MVC2 you had to LEARN how to TK AHVB properly, and you had to telegraph your snapbacks so you could juggle the assist. "Oh look, an assist. Time to kill it with my 3 supers" is fucking stupid. HURT IT BADLY is fine. But that just wouldnt happen with the damage in MVC3. You also have other things that would make it broken. A KFC triple DHC would kill probably any character in the game. What im trying to say is, If this is intended, it actually makes a lot of sense.

And safe DHC's are just as scrubby as switching characters in an air combo. "OMG IM DYING. I have 2 meters. TIME TO RUN FULL SCREEN AND DO A SUPER. HAHAHA I JUST DHC'D HAILSTORM NOW IM SAFE AND MY CHAR IS STILL ALIVE LOL" At least with the other option it almost asks you to pick between unsafe options or let the character die. Its high risk/high reward, which isnt a bad thing by any means.

Youre looking at it too much like its MVC2. Its not. Its a new game.

And who knows, it might just be an error in the build.

[Lennysaurus]

And safe DHC's are just as scrubby as switching characters in an air combo. "OMG IM DYING. I have 2 meters. TIME TO RUN FULL SCREEN AND DO A SUPER. HAHAHA I JUST DHC'D HAILSTORM NOW IM SAFE AND MY CHAR IS STILL ALIVE LOL" At least with the other option it almost asks you to pick between unsafe options or let the character die. Its high risk/high reward, which isnt a bad thing by any means.

Youre looking at it too much like its MVC2. Its not. Its a new game.

And who knows, it might just be an error in the build.

So careful meter management, and making a decision about whether to use meter to do damage or to save your point character is more scrubby than "LOL PRESS A BUTTONS IN COMBO AND CROSS MY FINGERS AND HOPE THEY ARENT MASHING THAT SAME BUTTON AND DIRECTION SO MY POINT CHARACTER DOESNT DIE!!!"?

Saving up the meter for safe DHC, over using it for chip makes it deeper imo.  You have to make decisions earlier in the round as to whether or not you want to use the meter for damage/chip, or if you are going to hold onto it in case you need to get your character out later on.  Also consider the fact that meter building will be harder while running away than it was in MVC2. 

Fuck you're a scrub Bill.  Shame kung.

[[NIUE] BIRRY WONG]

In order to GET to the point of "LOL PRESS A BUTTONS IN COMBO AND CROSS MY FINGERS AND HOPE THEY ARENT MASHING THAT SAME BUTTON AND DIRECTION SO MY POINT CHARACTER DOESNT DIE!!!" You need to make an effort to actually get in on your opponent. This is where the element of skill lies. Maybe scrubby was a bad word. Skilless is closer to what i mean. And if youre at the point where you desperately need a tag out, then you're at a significant disadvantage going on the offence, since your opponent will be perfectly content to just chip you to death/wait for the switch or punish your mistake. A mistake you are likely to make if youre being aggressive with minimal health. But youre better off attempting this than sitting there and giving yourself up to a chip kill. Risk/Reward. It makes the game interesting. Its why Marvel is so goddamn awesome. Obviously if you have the meter for a safe DHC, you should use it. Its a better idea. But Mason was talking about it like it was supporting RNG, which it quite plainly ISNT. The fact that its in there at all should point this out. If anything, its acknowledging the fact that damage in MVC3 is through the roof.

"Managing your meter" is a safer way to play I guess. But its also a hell of a lot less interesting. Look at it like a tatsu escape in SSF4. Yes, theres some skill involved in finding your window to use it (as there is in 'conserving your meter') and it works, but its pretty fucking braindead. And to tell the truth, like the tatsu escape, it's just as likely to cost you a win as it is to give you one since in the case of DHC/meter saving, you havent been doing optimal damage to your opponent. Killing an opponents character should almost ALWAYS take precidence over 'saving your meter for an emergency'. Fact of the matter is, saving meter for a DHC is just as likely to get you killed in marvel as Wrecking your opponents shit with as many supers as possible. Probably even moreso.

It goes both ways scrubtard. Lrn2Marvel.

[Lennysaurus]

But with DHC's you have the option to do both.  With "lol mash a button", you're basically forced to rush in.  The game no longer gives you a choice.  You have to rush in or die.  And in saying that, it also dictates heavily how your opponent will play too.  ie: "Oh gee he has low life, I better play defensive regardless so as not to take a risk, which will lead to his chance to combo tag".

And the tatsu example is completely different, which you would know if you didn't suck so bad.  You can tatsu at any point you are cornered regardless as there were no preset decisions you made about holding onto the tatsu in case you get cornered.  It's there and you use it when it's available .  DHC is a choice about how to use the meter available to you, and not just at the point you DHC.  Its about how you have used the meter up to that point as well, and in some cases how you have used the next character in line to be DHC'ed in.  If your next character has low life or whatever, you need 3 bars etc etc.

"Managing your meter" is a safer way to play I guess. But its also a hell of a lot less interesting. Look at it like a tatsu escape in SSF4. Yes, theres some skill involved in finding your window to use it (as there is in 'conserving your meter') and it works, but its pretty fucking braindead. And to tell the truth, like the tatsu escape, it's just as likely to cost you a win as it is to give you one since in the case of DHC/meter saving, you havent been doing optimal damage to your opponent. Killing an opponents character should almost ALWAYS take precidence over 'saving your meter for an emergency'. Fact of the matter is, saving meter for a DHC is just as likely to get you killed in marvel as Wrecking your opponents shit with as many supers as possible. Probably even moreso.

You suck.  In one breath you are saying that it's too effective because its so easy to get your character safe using it, and then you are saying that it is useless cause you should have used the meter for optimal damage and you're gonna lose now anyway.  Also, using DHC gives you the option to do it defensively, or in some characters case, you can rush in all you like and go for an offensive DHC out of a combo as well.  I bet that would make you cream your pants, all those numbers flashing up on the screen at once.  You could go tell all your friends about your massive combo and how great you are, and then thank me later for this awesome advice.

Fucking Scrub.

[jpb123]

She Hulk is actually pretty interesting. She brings crumples to the table, which could be fucking awesome.

As for Haggar, i just about shit myself when i saw this pic:



Fuck, based on the SRK forums, I think Its going to be hilarious watching all the SSF4 players playing this online. Im looking forward to fighting someone who trys to play footsies.

Poison in the police car? :O

[[NIUE] BIRRY WONG]

But with DHC's you have the option to do both.  With "lol mash a button", you're basically forced to rush in.  The game no longer gives you a choice.  You have to rush in or die.  And in saying that, it also dictates heavily how your opponent will play too.  ie: "Oh gee he has low life, I better play defensive regardless so as not to take a risk, which will lead to his chance to combo tag".

And the tatsu example is completely different, which you would know if you didn't suck so bad.  You can tatsu at any point you are cornered regardless as there were no preset decisions you made about holding onto the tatsu in case you get cornered.  It's there and you use it when it's available .  DHC is a choice about how to use the meter available to you, and not just at the point you DHC.  Its about how you have used the meter up to that point as well, and in some cases how you have used the next character in line to be DHC'ed in.  If your next character has low life or whatever, you need 3 bars etc etc.

You suck.  In one breath you are saying that it's too effective because its so easy to get your character safe using it, and then you are saying that it is useless cause you should have used the meter for optimal damage and you're gonna lose now anyway.  Also, using DHC gives you the option to do it defensively, or in some characters case, you can rush in all you like and go for an offensive DHC out of a combo as well.  I bet that would make you cream your pants, all those numbers flashing up on the screen at once.  You could go tell all your friends about your massive combo and how great you are, and then thank me later for this awesome advice.

Fucking Scrub.

I like how youve got such a (tiny)boner over your own opinion An...Lenny,  that you're missing the point completely you cock-gargling shitfuck. One option is braindead, but generally safer/better (which is NOT a bad thing at all) the other is high risk, and requires more skill to pull off, as it requires the player to fight his way in through an opponent who is probably WELL prepared for whats coming. Thats all im saying. The latter is a much more difficult, much more uphill battle. DHCing is a WAAAAAY better option. In terms of meter management im saying that depending on the situation, you MIGHT be better off blowing your wad on some "big numbers". Im trying to explore an equally valid and effective gameplay angle that your inadaptable fuckscrub ass seems to be missing. Your blind noobishness is clouding what little judgement you possess anyway.

But I'll humour you. Id hate for your ego to shrivel up to the point where it rivals your balls in terms of insignificance. The tatsu example was limited at best. Ill take that. Luckily for us I have the ability to see the flaws in my argument, and can admit when I have said something incorrect. Making me less of a scrubby rectal pirate than you are. Fact is, the way meter builds in MVC2, 'meter management' although it IS very important, is not the kind of godlike mindgame that you seem to think it is. Which is why i used the Tatsu example. 7 times out of 10 (this number is why my argument was flawed) you WILL have the meter you need when you need it, given the point in the game that you'll probably need it, based on the amount of damage you have PROBABLY taken, and the amount of stuff that will have happened in the game up until that point, based on any average game of marvel. Statistically, my argument stands in most situations where this is necessary. Although I understand that there are a lot of variables that would change the situation and I would be wrong. Thats MAHVEL baby.

I'm quite happy to give you lessons in Marvel Lenny. Spit my semen out and grab your notebook.

[[8-----D] Toots]

lol you realise that all your argument comes across as bill is RUSHDOWN IS MAD SKILLZ FUCK RUNAWAY