Hey all,
Man you don't know the hassle just to find this site, first it started by joining Capcom-unity then sending Capcom Admin a message regarding Capcom game licensing cause I didn't know you didn't need to have one to start a tournament, Tom responded
If you want to slap together a practice/tournament in NZ and have people show up and play (and get/stay excited about the games) then just do it... you don't need permission or a license, etc.
If you _want_ advice, ask people at evo, or on the forums.. or s-kill (although he is definitely very busy), but you can also wing it.
The real answer is: Go! Have fun! Make it happen.
Hope this is more clear,
EVO (evo2k.com) has run for a decade without being directly involved with Capcom and/or with any permission/license to do so.
You are good to go! Stenghthen you community and play Street Fighter!
Hope this addresses your concerns,
-Tom
So then I thought why not email gootecks, after reading his article
Top 10 Street Fighter 4 New Year’s Resolutions
3. Do your part to strengthen your local community
What good is being the best at Street Fighter 4 if you’re sitting at home by yourself in training mode? Get out there and help run tournaments, make friends with more people, become better friends with the guys you already play with. By strengthening the community, more people will be playing more frequently which will make everyone level up.
Gootecks himself responded
Mark,
I'd get in touch with ozhadou.net because they are in Australia although I have no idea where they are in relation to you. I think that having console sessions is a better idea and less risky than opening up an arcade. In fact, I'm working on renting office space in my area to do pretty much the same thing. Maybe post on the gootecks.com/forums for additional support/suggestions. Good luck!
Ryan Gutierrez aka gootecks
So I did that and they said
Hi Mark,
The first thing I would recommend is that you get in touch with some of the guys over at the NZism forums: http://nzism.alphaism.com/. I'm not sure if you know about this site, but NZism are the New Zealand equivalent of OzHadou. They just recently held their first ever nationals tournament for SF4, and have been organising gatherings (and probably tournaments) for SF4 over the last few months, no doubt along similar lines to your own ideas.
Please try contacting them and see what they have to say. I'm expect they'll be very keen to hear from a fellow NZer looking to grow the NZ SF4 community in his local area.
If you don't get the answers you need from the NZism guys, please feel free to email me again with any specific questions you might have. I'm more than happy to share my experiences concerning the Australian SF community.
Cheers,
Andrew
So here I am asking for help to run a tournament the first of its kind in my town New Plymouth, its really crap New Plymouth is we get cafes,restaurants,clothing shops going up,we have WOMAD as entertainment,we have bars/clubs going up. At yet any other entertainment is neglected for instance Village Skycity took over Toptown Cinema 5 and promised they would update the analog screens into digital, replace the hard chairs with better ones, replace the sound with digital sound, get a 6th screen in where the candy bar is but none of these things have happened hence an example of neglecting any other non drinking/eating entertainment avenue.
Also back in the 90s New Plymouth was a magic place and those where the years before the American dying arcade scene, we had like 4-5 arcades Apollos, Spaceworld, Wizards can't remember the other 2 arcade names all packed with the latest games in that time period I would of been 11-12yr old when the most talked about subject at school was streetfighter 2 amongst the bloods,crypts and homies etc. And eventually those unfortunately had there day and closed, then like in 1997 I believe Laserforce started up we had a arcade scene again yah, it was MSHvsSF,MvC2,SSF2T mad challenges all the time that stayed open until the 00's then closed damn it. Now we have arcade machines in Toptown Cinema 5 and Bowlarama but those are coincascade(timeout) rejects like american style cabs Final Fight,SSF2T,XMvsSF,MvC2(no characters unlocked),neogeo machine,tekken 4(the screen is all messed up with colors green and blue you cant make out anything) plus the arcade operator here is a retard WTF all those games are a $1.00 each that old,and things messed up on screen.Plus we have topskater and its $2.00 each and yes messed up screen,time crisis 2 $2.00 a game.
Toptown newest game is Ghost Squad and Battle Gear 3. So yeh no Streetfighter 3 thirdstrike to be found or Streetfighter 4,Tekken 5 DR or Tekken 6 BR.
Then we go onto bowlarama ok the same crap except they have Battle Gear 4 but one of the four screens aint going plus there are gay signs everywhere saying no food or drink,no bad language,no sitting in the seats when not playing etc and the place has a bad feel to it, its dark as hell,old carpet etc,the staff or person running it unfriendly.
So I had to give you a long arse run down why I want to start up a SF4/fighting tournament in this hole it never used to be but now is due to lazy arcade owners who have no idea what to do when running a arcade,hell I started a dipolma in mechnical engineering to get a job to save up to open a jap arcade much like the one in manners mall wellington,yiffans in auckland,timeout under burger king queen st,auckland so we could get some of that magic back that was in new plymouth once upon a time.
The idea to run a console fighting game tournament came about when I downloaded
I GOT NEXT documentary man what a awesome video I have seen it like 12+ times, then came The Dogface Show, then SRK,iplaywinner,gootecks,eventhubs,capcom-unity all for ideas on street fighter 4 and also watching the live stream on evo2009. So as to figure out what the streetfighter community these days is like,the history,the pioneers,the beast etc as so I can return new plymouth back to the day when we had skillfull players, but now we just have bored youths hanging outside BK or town doing f all just drinking or doing drugs to pass the time. I want to change that by saying renting a floor space in town and start friday, saturday night events where I get some 360s and ps3's together along with some crt tv screens or normal analog screens and have people bring along there controllers whether they be pads or joysticks, and if its a free event have them bring screens, there own consoles and we have SF4,blazeblue,KOF,Tekken practice sessions etc.
Now what I finally ask you guys what is the best way of holding something like this cause you guys are in New Zealand so you know what the youth culture is like, and what to watch out for, what the council thinks, renting spaces, equipment issues, paying or none paying sessions, who supplies what, marketing the event, tournament or practice session structure, rules, flyers, getting word out, how much money you need to even consider doing an event, sponsors, getting other businesses involved, getting discounts for hosting at certain places, how a tournament should be run etc,prizes,security,cleaners,people monitoring the tournament,how many people is needed to start an event and anything else I cant think of to run such a event.
This console fighting tournament thing was a prequel to see if there is a market for an jap arcade,what happens and what to look out for etc.
So if any of you manage to read this huge desperate call for help and reply on how I should go about this I am much grateful for that.
Thanks
Baka101 aka Mark
First of all, Welcome to the site Mark! Looks like you had one hell of a journey to get here.
Second, I highly recommend getting the player base sorted first. Not really useful to start up a tournament if nobody plays in New Plymouth. Also when it comes to recruiting players I think your best to start small. Have casual get togethers around peoples homes/apartments/garages, wherever you can just so you get an idea of what the scene is like in NP.
So my recommendations would be to find those players in NP that are interested in fighting games. Once that is sorted you can probably start with organizing events and when that happens we will try to support you to the fullest.
Man what a huge mission to find this site, every time i write ANYthing in NZ google this damn site comes up. Man that sounds cool, if i had heaps of money i would definately do the same, good luck.
Hey stereomonkey, thanks for replying so fast I didn't think I would get such a fast reply after just posting my first massive eva post. Ok I used to work at ebgames new plymouth so I did get to know the staff there many still friends and I have a friend who works in the console part of Dicksmiths as well, but the only trouble is many of them are either WOW addicted or just play the latest game and then complete and repeat the process with a new game. And another against me is unlike many of you who are in auckland and wellington with SFIII 3rd strike and SF4, tekken 5-6+ in there arcades, we don't have those games in our crap as you cant call it an arcade, so many people at home in new plymouth could be practicing these games on console, pc etc without me even knowing it but because these no arcade here with those games theres no reason for them to come into town cause there is no arcade here to practice or verse random people in the flesh and blood. And is there a way on xbox live or ps home etc to filter games so that I can fight against people in new plymouth, new zealand on the respective titles I mentioned.
So why I thought about the console fighting tournament was to see if there was a market for this arcade genre within new plymouth and by utilizing the newspapers to get a picture of this event before it starts out, get flyers out, get the word out and see if we can get the market of who still play these games, away from home versing random people in a setting just for arcade fighting on consoles and testing there's skills. So you see how impossible it would be to meet everyone who plays at home on xbox live or pshome etc in new plymouth when there is no point to come into town cause we don't have an arcade with these games to verse random people so I want to fill this with a console fighting tournament/practice event to see if these people do exist.
So newspaper article complete with picture would be like hyping it up, and saying something like we are keeping it small cause we didn't know if anyone would show or how many sf fans or fighting games fans there where in new plymouth etc, and how we are trying to pioneer a tournament in new plymouth so people can practice and fight to be able to get to new zealand national tournament etc and put nzism website on the map because if I hadn't of contacted gootecks and him putting me onto ozhadou then them putting me onto to this site which I never knew existed i wont know of you guys.
So you see without a decent arcade like ones in wellington and auckland who have these games there is absolutelty no way of knowing what type of fighting community we have, it wasnt until the 90s when the arcades started up we knew that we had a strong fighting community here, so with this tournament we start it small and test the fighting community waters in new plymouth if we dont get enough numbers etc after all the newspaper articles,marketing,flyers, word of mouth we know that new plymouth isn't a place for a fighting community and no use in starting a arcade to compete with those 2 crap arse you cant call arcades in new plymouth, and I was give it up and move to either hamilton, wellington or auckland and spend my days working as a draughtsperson and arcading it after work which i know i can always get a challenge.
So yeh
Baka101 aka Mark
and yeh New Plymouth is in a bad state for entertainment game and cinema wise in town I mean, at one point ebgames new plymouth got one of the top selling places in new zealand for selling games and consoles so that means theres still a hell of alot of gamers at home cause why not its crap in town cause theres nothing you can call arcade or console fighting tournaments etc, so my advice if you want gaming entertainment please avoid new plymouth at all costs it really is the worst until something changes.
Hell I'll come down to NP for a SFIV tourney, I'm gonna damn sure be at the next one in Hamilton.
Quote from: hydrokinesis on August 22, 2009, 03:24:33 PM
Hell I'll come down to NP for a SFIV tourney, I'm gonna damn sure be at the next one in Hamilton.
Yeahh.......
Quote from: Gino on August 22, 2009, 04:03:54 PM
Quote from: hydrokinesis on August 22, 2009, 03:24:33 PM
Hell I'll come down to NP for a SFIV tourney, I'm gonna damn sure be at the next one in Hamilton.
Yeahh.......
Yeahh to coming to NP for tourney or Yeahh to tourney in Hamilton I am confused
I don't quite have time to reply just yet to your posts, so I'm just saying 'welcome to the site' and that I admire your enthusiasm and what you're trying to accomplish :) I'll reply in greater length a bit later.
James: in the event of a NP tourney you could swing by hammy and then we could make a road trip out of it :)
Quote from: fluxcore on August 22, 2009, 05:02:56 PM
I don't quite have time to reply just yet to your posts, so I'm just saying 'welcome to the site' and that I admire your enthusiasm and what you're trying to accomplish :)
I'm in the same boat. Once I finish upload the Nationals videos I'll come back to ya Mark.
Oh guys this ain't a straight away thing ok, it going to take months of planning on my end and support from friends and community etc, so don't rush yourselves for me hell no just do your things I haven't even decided a month for this to take place yet as I only have ideas.
And what one of you where saying about making a road trip to new plymouth does that mean you would come to me and help me organize it or oversee it or just witness it.
Plus both of you pm me your email address preferably hotmail so when I do venture to hamilton I can talk to you in person and introduce you to my friends in hamilton.
If I dont venture to hamilton, I will be in auckland for new years eve and new years day.
Thanks
Mark aka Baka101
All my contact stuff is in the sidebar, hit me up wherever whenever :)
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As for a tourney in NP, I'd have no probs helping you out - as long as I can enter for once :)
Just a quick thing while I'm thinking about it, that it can be very hard reaching people. There are still a lot of people around that play fighting games and don't know about this site, such as yourself, and I'm not sure how many of them would be reading newspapers tbh! Student rags might be a good try though...
Of course you could enter the more the merrier hell all the members of nzism if they want could come along, I just want people that all and all the support I can get.
And some great skill level to boot that would be awesome.
And yeh not only newspapers but fliers to say the asians at the hotel management course out in bellblock and youths on the street and at WITT which is a subsidery of AUT here in New Plymouth cause I am a mechanical engineering student here at WITT so there are many other young and old people here to get the word to, plus I know a few businesses in town etc so i could use that.
So thanks again people the support is awesome, and with all that this thing could become a reality and get the streetfighter community commissioned and stomp out years of boredom for everyone in newplymouth well my generation and the fighting game community here anyway.
LOL welcome mate, you're on the same boat as I 3 5 months ago when I started teh very first SF4 tournament here in Auckland and thats how i bump my head to this site :)
Its not easy to do teh organizing part, lots of work and stress.
some things to note:
1: your player base/ community in NP? how many people do you expect for the turn up? that will determine how much entry fee etc, too high then its a no go, too low with bad turn up and you're messed up with the payments for retal cost etc.
2: Venue: do you have a suitable place in mind? like in Auckland we have places such as: RvB.co.nz and giga.net.nz both are very suitable for holding such events.
3: Gears: Do you have the gears to run this? by gears i mean consoles, games and joystick etc. For us we had to ask our community to lend their person sticks/ consoles out, our admins Lennysaraus had a bunch of sticks, we then ask a few very nice members from this site to lend their PS3 and some sticks out during the event. I am not sure how close you are with teh people in NP but It would be wise for you to know some of these people if available.
4: hold a Gathering and see the turn out, like up in auckland we do such regular gatherings for a fee of $5.00 for 6 hour play, with 4 or so consoles you have people running around playing each other very casual stuff. But it will give you a good idea of turnouts, know people around you that may help you and do announcements etc.
well enought blah from me, need to get some work done :) if you have more questions, feel free to botherFLuxcore :) as he has put his hands up :P else just leave a msg here and we will get back to you :)
Btw, make sure you don't make Flux doing anymore amdin, he actually wants to endter this time lol.
over and out.
Hey Zosla
As I said before it very hard to grasp the hidden streetfighter or fighting community out there in new plymouth due to our gay arcades, as I said before we dont have even the following arcade games Streetfigher 3: 3rd strike nor do we have Streetfighter 4,tekken 5,tekken 6,blazblue,Marvel vs Capcom 2 with all the characters unlocked, unlike Wellington, Auckland, Hamilton and Christchurch you guys can grasp the community cause you would see the amount of people at the arcades with these games or even know that it is possible for people with a interest to turn up, its not the same here cause we are missing those first stated ingredients. So we may just have a big community for arcade fighting games but due to crap arcades we wont ever see those people in town, and they just play at home. And if you recall I said Laserforce was a last decent arcade and I was able to grasp how many people where in the streetfighter community but that has been closed down for many years now and replaced by a thai restaurant.
But hold a tournament or gathering as you said and get the newspapers involved so people who play at home might just realize that something is about to happen and give fliers out to the locals in town the youth community etc we may just see what hidden community there is, cause as I state many many times before without arcades like Auckland,Wellington,Hamilton,Christchurch with those particular arcade games its impossible to gauge the streetfighter community in my town and without a get together or tournament marketed and advertised mad its just a pipe dream that I may eventually just give up on and move to one of those cities I mentioned and just play there.
Thanks
Mark aka Baka101
Wonder what would happen if some of us went down there and hyped shit up. Suddenly the whole town would be like THE DAMAGERRRRR
That would be awesome, but you guys would have to come down for say a week to scope out exactly what I am against it to hard to explain in text what I am against without seeing for real what New Plymouth is missing. Only after you guys seeing first hand its way to hard to even grasp it, as auckland,wellington,hamilton,christchurch have always had the updated arcades unlike here. And people in your cities still care about keeping the jap arcade scene alive unlike here as I said the newest game we have is Battle Gear 4 and Ghost Scope I think its called and no SFIII,Tekken 5,Tekken 6,SF4,Blazeblue.
So yeh thanks for the ongoing help please keep it coming all you guys.
Mark aka Baka101
Quote from: Smoofikith on August 24, 2009, 02:08:19 PM
Wonder what would happen if some of us went down there and hyped shit up. Suddenly the whole town would be like THE DAMAGERRRRR
all the New Plymouth gurls say that anyway after the last time I was down there 8)
yeahh Boiiiiiiiiiiiiiii !!!!!!
Quote from: baka101 on August 24, 2009, 02:32:21 PM
That would be awesome, but you guys would have to come down for say a week to scope out exactly what I am against it to hard to explain in text what I am against without seeing for real what New Plymouth is missing. Only after you guys seeing first hand its way to hard to even grasp it, as auckland,wellington,hamilton,christchurch have always had the updated arcades unlike here. And people in your cities still care about keeping the jap arcade scene alive unlike here as I said the newest game we have is Battle Gear 4 and Ghost Scope I think its called and no SFIII,Tekken 5,Tekken 6,SF4,Blazeblue.
So yeh thanks for the ongoing help please keep it coming all you guys.
Mark aka Baka101
I know what you're talking about bro, and that'll make it really hard to spread the word. Do you guys have any major net cafs or anything? If you don't have an arcade that's probably the closest you're going to get
i was in the exact same state of mind as you 5 months ago, I only saw the arcade scene which consist of about 10 players max and of course the random individuals, until I strike to this forum and found these very pro addicted SF players lawl.
The best way to get words out there and especially in NP would be running around with pamphlets at schools/ university if any, new paper is not really something a gamer would look at tbh... I mean personally not the younger age teens, but if its cheap then its worth a go!!!
radio would be nice if its cheap :)
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I will only go if you can find some hot blonde chick and party all night long :)
Cool thanks guys I will try that, but also I am waiting for the admin to finish his tournament also to give me ideas and maybe him and yourselves would like to make a road trip of it and come down and meet me and see what this will take etc. You guys have much in the way of experience in running tournaments and are very hungry for fighting games it seems as much as you are hungry for arcade altogether which pleases me immensely, if most of you are in either Hamilton or Auckland will I see you new years eve or new years day.
Thanks
Mark aka Baka101
Quote from: baka101 on August 24, 2009, 03:30:02 PM
Cool thanks guys I will try that, but also I am waiting for the admin to finish his tournament also to give me ideas and maybe him and yourselves would like to make a road trip of it and come down and meet me and see what this will take etc.
Mark aka Baka101
Which admin you talking about bro?
Sorry yeh there are many admins I meant yourself and flux. And the other person sorry cant remember name that same to make a day of it and come down for a roadtrip.
Thanks
Baka101 aka Mark
Quote from: baka101 on August 24, 2009, 03:51:36 PM
Sorry yeh there are many admins I meant yourself and flux. And the other person sorry cant remember name that same to make a day of it and come down for a roadtrip.
Thanks
Baka101 aka Mark
I can only assume you mean Lenny? Or maybe Andy, given his activity in this topic?
OK I've been thinking about this a bit, and there isn't really much I can come up with tbh.
1st up, there's no way I'm going to New Plymouth for a week!
As for trying to find people, I guess the first thing to do is to post around places that are likely to get some nibbles that you're interested in running a tournament and for people to get in contact with you if they are interested. From that you can meet a couple of the people, play some games together, and generally just start small. Once you've met a couple of dudes I'm sure they'll know of other people or places that will generate more interest. Once you've got >8 people interested then just make a little tourney to test the waters. Put some money up or something to get a little interest in it.
Now, by far the toughest bit will be finding the initial 8 people. It will probably take a long time, but you'll probably make some good friends out of it.
An arcade would seem to be a really difficult thing to start up tbh, especially in a place that presumably used to have arcades, but they have closed down. I would think as a business proposition it would probably be pretty high on the list of 'risk ventures'. I'm not really sure quite how much research you've done into it, but from what I understand the only things that make money these days in an arcade are the ticket-games. It would be very hard to start an arcade with fighting games, especially in an area not already famed for a decent community. There's a reason why these games are going online, I'm sad to say.
I think you need to think exactly about what you want to achieve. Just for further thought, while I can imagine moving cities for fighting games in Japan or the US, I really don't think it's worth it in NZ, unless of course you have other reasons for moving as well.
Sorry if that's all a bit of a downer, but I'd really hate to give you tons of "yeah man, do it! sounds awesome!" only for something to fall apart and potentially set you back a lot of time and money.
If I've got completely the wrong idea, feel free to correct me though :)
It was hydrokinesis, he said he would make his way down if a tournament was held in new plymouth.
Yeh Flux I wouldn't start up a arcade until I knew that it could survive and we had a community willing to support by coming along. That's a future thing if I even bother with New Plymouth at all, plus Auckland,Hamilton and Wellington has got a decent arcade fighting community for me to move too. Yeh the arcades did close down but the people running them had no idea on how to run an arcade or they weren't even the arcade gamer type how can those types expect to attract crowds when they don't play the games or have love for the arcade. And yeh redemption games are a big source of money to hold up the arcade as I am aware at Manners Mall Timeout but does Yiffans survive due to mainly Asians playing the machines I really don't know, they seem to have the most arcade machines I have seen.
And yeh try to get those 8+ people interested and involved in this project.
So yeh if I could get some examples of when you guys first started a tournament or practice how it was, what was the down falls, the uphill battles, what you approved upon I want everything from your past experiences maybe a short story of holding your 1st eva tournament and how you got it started, how you meet the people who helped you along as all this would help greatly in helping me to actually get this idea of practice/tournament into a reality.
Thanks again
Mark aka Baka101
lol our town in general survive off the asian population, and he ment 8 guys from NP. Yeah i'm sure you could make the biggest,baddest most hype arcade because you got love for the community, i say make it happen, plus arcades are just money printers imo.
Quote from: baka101 on August 24, 2009, 08:46:50 PM
Yeh Flux I wouldn't start up a arcade until I knew that it could survive and we had a community willing to support by coming along. That's a future thing if I even bother with New Plymouth at all, plus Auckland,Hamilton and Wellington has got a decent arcade fighting community for me to move too. Yeh the arcades did close down but the people running them had no idea on how to run an arcade or they weren't even the arcade gamer type how can those types expect to attract crowds when they don't play the games or have love for the arcade. And yeh redemption games are a big source of money to hold up the arcade as I am aware at Manners Mall Timeout but does Yiffans survive due to mainly Asians playing the machines I really don't know, they seem to have the most arcade machines I have seen.
And yeh try to get those 8+ people interested and involved in this project.
So yeh if I could get some examples of when you guys first started a tournament or practice how it was, what was the down falls, the uphill battles, what you approved upon I want everything from your past experiences maybe a short story of holding your 1st eva tournament and how you got it started, how you meet the people who helped you along as all this would help greatly in helping me to actually get this idea of practice/tournament into a reality.
Thanks again
Mark aka Baka101
It was me who started the first SF4 tournament in Auckland, if you ask me what motivated me, then I would say Daigo. After watching him play online made me wanting to become more competitve with SF4. I then entered my very first tournament held at RvB during SF4 Live party coming first with a control pad... yes control pad!!!!, then I got to this site and though il give the tournament a try and organized everything from there, with posters and advertisement via this site and the arcade in auckland I manage to pull 35 entrants on the very first tournament (including myself) charging $10 per entry. But this wouldn't of worked out without the help of the webmaster Alan who helped me with the brackets etc, imagneto who made teh poster and a couple of guys who was willing to help out on the day.
Quote from: baka101 on August 24, 2009, 08:46:50 PM
That's a future thing if I even bother with New Plymouth at all, plus Auckland,Hamilton and Wellington has got a decent arcade fighting community for me to move too.
Hamilton has no scene at all tbh. Except for Alan and Gino, there isn't anything there besides tekken.
Just wanting to point that out.
EDIT: Webmaster Alan.... lol!!! :P
Actually tekken has died in hamilton (apparently due to SFIV, lol), and I don't go to the arcade, so it's actually only Gino.
Quote from: fluxcore on August 25, 2009, 03:27:28 PM
Actually tekken has died in hamilton (apparently due to SFIV, lol), and I don't go to the arcade, so it's actually only Gino.
Hey I hit timezone whenever I'm in Ham too (like once or twice a month at best). . . lots of wannabe boxer players there.
Well guys I didn't know this about Hamilton I am only get relayed info from Jason Drake my mate in Hamilton he said that he plays many people there especially Asians at streetfighter IV but then again he could be lying about the scene I really don't know cause I haven't been to Hamilton to actually know what the scene is, only his word I guess. And once again any scene with SF4 is better than no scene at all like New Plymouth that doesn't have an arcade with SF4 or Tekken 5 or 6.
So yeh.
This post totally sounds Road Trip. Get a van with an ps3/xb360 setup and do an NZism tour haha!
Quote from: baka101 on August 25, 2009, 04:15:56 PM
Well guys I didn't know this about Hamilton I am only get relayed info from Jason Drake my mate in Hamilton he said that he plays many people there especially Asians at streetfighter IV but then again he could be lying about the scene I really don't know cause I haven't been to Hamilton to actually know what the scene is, only his word I guess. And once again any scene with SF4 is better than no scene at all like New Plymouth that doesn't have an arcade with SF4 or Tekken 5 or 6.
So yeh.
You would be surprised on how much of a bigger scene there is of people playing on consoles. Sorry to sound harsh but stop crying about the none scene in New Plymouth and start finding your players.
Smoof gave you a very good place to search,
Internet Cafes! Also do you happen to play online on a console/PC? Try starting up Lan Parties too if you can. I'll try to find some players around NP tonight. Don't ask me how because that's a secret ;)
Quote from: Pinolicious on August 25, 2009, 04:40:57 PM
This post totally sounds Road Trip. Get a van with an ps3/xb360 setup and do an NZism tour haha!
Bro, I would fly back over to hire a Maui camper Van and tour NZ to repersent NZism and fighting games. That sounds like a mean as plan!!
Ok Stereomonkey that would be so awesome if you had people in secret in New Plymouth, and also working on a letter to both to Pam Smith manager of Toptown cinema 5 and must find out the guy running bowlarama to somehow come in and change the face of arcades here with references to industry articles,fighting game websites,arcade websites,business websites,arcades in Wellington,Auckland etc. If accepted I would work along side of them that's a side project if it happens but first to show that new plymouth has a fighting game community, that would prove that there is a market then with that I could if accepted work along side pam or other guy and get an arcade hopefully similar to ones in auckland or wellington, yes I am one man but I will try but it would be easier if you get your secret guys in new plymouth to assist me in someway but I will try in the mean time as one person.
Thanks
Baka101 aka Mark
just come live in auckland.... best city in nz for gaming :)
Quote from: zosla on August 26, 2009, 07:45:42 AM
just come live in auckland.... best city in nz for gaming :)
Not to be racist, but thats only because it has the largest asian population in the country.
I wouldn't say just because of large Asian population = better gaming scene as I believe its quiet multicultural. But if you are saying more competitive play/ hardcore players then yes most asians are as they tend to be the type that take gaming as a hobby/sport.
Quote from: zosla on August 26, 2009, 10:42:19 AM
I wouldn't say just because of large Asian population = better gaming scene as I believe its quiet multicultural. But if you are saying more competitive play/ hardcore players then yes most asians are as they tend to be the type that take gaming as a hobby/sport.
It IS quite multicultural, However in the case of your post, the latter breeds the former. Theyre not mutually exclusive.
look at it this way, last tournament had like 15 odd asians?? just a guess, top 5 players where asian excluding Ben. Then the rest belongs to other group of people, but this is out of 47 entrants. Of course we can not take this as some sort of proper none bias survey but it gives you a good idea that it is not just because there are more Asians in Auckland that makes the gaming scene better/ bigger in anyway.
Quote from: zosla on August 26, 2009, 11:31:23 AM
look at it this way, last tournament had like 15 odd asians?? just a guess, top 5 players where asian excluding Ben. Then the rest belongs to other group of people, but this is out of 47 entrants. Of course we can not take this as some sort of proper none bias survey but it gives you a good idea that it is not just because there are more Asians in Auckland that makes the gaming scene better/ bigger in anyway.
Well, at least us black fullas have rugby :)
Well stereomonkey I still want your help or too meet those new plymouth guys/girls. But in the mean time I will compose a letter to both arcades, and try to get things moving and after there reply I will see whether they with me or not, also if I can get enough how to run a successful tournament tips from you guys I can also present my case to a guy in a clothing store Playground I spoke to him some time ago and he was going to open an arcade but was not sure due to an unknown market in new plymouth, and convince him to assist in my efforts so he can get his image out there like many businesses we have in new plymouth like Club55 and Sushi Ninja are very well known and so are the people running them, so do something like that for him through running tournaments, getting his pic in paper, talking to the youth in town about upcoming tournaments etc.
Now if my talks with the arcades and running the tournament/get together fail I will give up on this place and eventually get my job as a draughtsperson in new plymouth then transfer to Auckland, but for Auckland to be any good I would have to flat with high levels fighting players cause the point of moving out of new plymouth is to get some high end leveling up and if I aint practicing with high level players always then these no point cause asians dont make friends with white guys that often well the gamer asians anyway, so I would need the high level from you guys etc.
So yeh
Baka101 aka Mark
lol... WHO SAYS!!!
now lets not get down on the race side of things shall we.
If you come up to Auckland you will make plenty of Asian friends, you can ask anyone forum member here that its not like what you think.
I am ASIAN myself and enjoy meeting people as much as I love to play SF4... :)
actually I prefer to meet girls thanks :P
Yeah, Like 2/3 of our asian members are chinese and the other 1/3 are mixed. You don't really get everyone speaking in chinese and making you feel out of place if that's what you mean.
Hey man I love Asians, I have Japanese friends,Chinese friends etc but many of the ones in Auckland I would love to be friends with them, but they seem to keep to there groups and not let in white guys etc, which is unfortunate but that's the way it is, but it seems once you become a challenge in fighting games they seem to accept you more so if everything here fails eventually try to flat with you high end gamers and level up and meet Asian friends which I would really enjoy, unfortunately I can be a otaku and a japanophile but not geeky just my interests sway towards that.
So yeh I will be your friend Zosla if that what you saying and hopefully meet up with you in new years eve and new years day, and arcade against you, but I can be quite a scrub with streetfighter 4 as I don't have the friends to verse here or not knowing the streetfighter community who may play here and with no, *gasp* sf4 arcade machine here for high level play, hopefully that letter I will perfect will get some motivation from those arcades if not you guys already know what I will do.
Oh I just joined facebook also the name is Mark Charteris if anyone is interested, up to you guys and yes found nzism facebook entry and added that group thanks.
Baka101 aka Mark
Quote from: ILL_BILL on August 26, 2009, 10:50:21 AM
Quote from: zosla on August 26, 2009, 10:42:19 AM
I wouldn't say just because of large Asian population = better gaming scene as I believe its quiet multicultural. But if you are saying more competitive play/ hardcore players then yes most asians are as they tend to be the type that take gaming as a hobby/sport.
It IS quite multicultural, However in the case of your post, the latter breeds the former. Theyre not mutually exclusive.
This point still stands.
Quote from: zosla on August 26, 2009, 11:31:23 AM
look at it this way, last tournament had like 15 odd asians?? just a guess, top 5 players where asian excluding Ben. Then the rest belongs to other group of people, but this is out of 47 entrants. Of course we can not take this as some sort of proper none bias survey but it gives you a good idea that it is not just because there are more Asians in Auckland that makes the gaming scene better/ bigger in anyway.
SF4 and the general gaming scene are two different ball games. SF4 is great because it DOES attract people from all walks of life. This is what makes it so successful.
The gaming scene in general too is broad, and also encompasses a lot of people. Console games in this country have an audience split between asians/islanders/caucasians/martians etc.
However,
The GENERAL FIGHTING GAME SCENE is a bit different. Look at yifans. That place is, for the most part, dominated by the asian masses. Im aware that in a lot of asian countries, gaming (specifically arcade gaming) is a lot more mainstream than it is here. So obviously, asians staying in the country are bound to bring that element of culture into our society Even PC games (DOTA for example) share this particular trait. Walk into any netcafe in Auckland and at least 70% of the people in there will be Asian. Additionally, the VAST majority of netcafe's are owned and run by asians.
Its not a bad thing. God knows it makes the scene more popular. But it IS true. Im not out to be racist, (though it seems youre taking it a bit this way) its just an observation. I shouldn't have said anything in the first place.
Something you said just reminded me about stuff i wrote heavily on for my intercultural communication paper at uni. (How gaming has integrated into New Zealand culture.)
But yea, sorry i said anything.
Well it was established in I GOT NEXT doco that the arcade attracts people from all different walks of life, no one cares your race as long you got skill then something like we can develop that etc, that was mentioned in the doco.
Yeah and if you look at an xvsf machine in a fish and chips shop, whose gonna be there? Me and the rest of the islanders lol. It seems to carry on to the xvsf machine at uni, pretty much no asians there, some will occasionally play tekken tag.
Yeh Vic from Dogface show is a mad xmvsf player he is tops of his game, he wasnt that bad at sf3 either aye. I still play it occasionally on pc using nFB Alpha using HRAP3.
Quote from: baka101 on August 26, 2009, 07:33:22 PM
Well it was established in I GOT NEXT doco that the arcade attracts people from all different walks of life, no one cares your race as long you got skill then something like we can develop that etc, that was mentioned in the doco.
America and NZ are two VASTLY different cultures. What is the norm there may not even be close to the norm here. Additionally, if you take an American city with a decent gamer population, you will find that the percentage of Asian residents is considerably less than the percentage in Auckland. This is a numerical fact. Yes the arcade attracts people from all walks of life, but obviously it will attract MORE people from some walks of life than others.
(Devils advocate: Auckland actually has a larger percentage of gamers/non gamers than most american cities. This was an interesting fact i came across when i was researching my paper. However, OF THOSE PEOPLE, the point i stated about the comparative asian populus still stands firm)
Quote from: massi4h on August 26, 2009, 08:50:07 PM
Yeah and if you look at an xvsf machine in a fish and chips shop, whose gonna be there? Me and the rest of the islanders lol. It seems to carry on to the xvsf machine at uni, pretty much no asians there, some will occasionally play tekken tag.
I guess what it comes down to is location. Fact of the matter is, the largest hub's for these sorts of things happen to be areas where asian people tend to gather.
If theres a xvsf machine in a place where there is a predominant flow of pacific islanders, then obviously THEY are going to be the most common player for said machine.
In Auckland, your options for competitive gaming are: (in order of most commonly used)
A) Home. This is fine. Im in no way saying that there are more asian players at home than non asians, because that is NOT true.
B) Internet Cafe's. A generally diverse fanbase, but the significant majority are of asian descent. This is because it is a much more common hobby for the asian populus, as andy said.
C) Arcades. See above.
D) Misc. (ie. fish & chip shops, randomly placed 'spacies') For asian gamers, the process is a lot more social than it is for other races, which is why the larger hubs are for the most part, their 'venue of choice'. For caucasians and pacific islanders, it is considerably less-so. That is not to say it doesnt exist, because we are prime examples that it does. However, obviously, areas in the 'misc' category dont cater to this nearly as well as the other venues. People still use them, however it eliminates a lot of what the 'asian gaming' culture originates from.
Could we please stop talking about this. I compulsively feel like i have to make my point when someone says something i disagree with, but im getting really REALLY uncomfortable with this topic, as I have a great deal of respect for everyone here, regardless of their race, and i feel like im coming of as a complete racist asshole, which i really REALLY am not. (except to richard, but thats a different story.)
Hey I want to be friends with Asians I aint racist in the slightest, I have Japanese, Chinese friends, I do kendo and visit the Auckland dojo which has many Asian students practicing so I have no problems with them and would love more Asian friends so sign me up. So I was never stereotyping anything, but it is true the more competitive and changeling you get the more any culture in any arcade gamer community wants a piece of you and you will eventually become friends but I don't see many cultures becomes friends with scrubs in the arcade I don't see that happening much.
Plus I don't live in Auckland and this has been wrapping my brain for sometime, Yuffins I maybe wrong in saying this has the largest amount of arcade machines in one place than anywhere in Auckland. Now are the owners islanders or Asians, do you ever see the main guy who runs the whole arcade, how do they afford the power bill with so many machines,how many watts is a Japanese arcade cabinet,how much is charged for power in a business situation for watt hours, do the consumers spend alot to keep the place going as I don't know the financial performance of this business as its hard to grasp how well its doing without the businesses financial documents, cause I know when I go there I put in $200+ in that place as there's no decent arcade here as you know.
Thanks
Mark aka Baka101
Really?
I think that cause lots of asian people live in central auckland, when you go to yiffans there are lots of asian people.
In papatoetoe there is an arcade. lots of arab/indian guys play there.
There was an arcade in southmall about 6 years ago. Lots of maori/islanders played there.
I bet that if there were an arcade in germany... lots of germans would play there.
Seems really straight forward to me.
My advice Baka is that opening an arcade is no longer viable. You are better off looking at something like RVB for the following reasons.
SFIV cabinet costs roughly $20,000-00
An XBOX360, 2 TE's, and a copy of SFIV is roughly a grand. Arcades just dont work in NZ for that reason. If yu want to get competitive at Street fighter, and fighting games in general, then definitely move to auckland.
Personally I think that Yiffans runs at a loss on purpose to take advantage of tax benefits, and in all honesty... other dodgy shit. I cant understand how it makes money. Consider not just the power and the maintenance.. but look at all the staff they have on. Theres always the bouncers, cleaning guys, maintenance dudes.
Bill, no one saying ur racist u twat!!! :P
You are right about Asian dominating Yifans, reason being is that most of them hang out in town, thats where everythign is!! pool halls, clubs, uni blah can go on.
If you have been to Hk they have so much to do there, where as here in NZ, what is there to do? SO they tend to gather at teh same place all the time, daytime = gaming pool blah blah, then night time is like cluds and more clubs lol.
There is NOTHING else to do. Central Auckaldn has always been crowded with asians for these reasons and thus why you see so many of them in yifans, if you walk out on queen street you will most likely find 30-40% of the people walking around are asians...
ok I was bored so had to waste some time :P
Okay, stay on the topic guys.
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on August 27, 2009, 01:06:36 AM
Really?
I think that cause lots of asian people live in central auckland, when you go to yiffans there are lots of asian people.
In papatoetoe there is an arcade. lots of arab/indian guys play there.
There was an arcade in southmall about 6 years ago. Lots of maori/islanders played there.
I bet that if there were an arcade in germany... lots of germans would play there.
Seems really straight forward to me.
My advice Baka is that opening an arcade is no longer viable. You are better off looking at something like RVB for the following reasons.
SFIV cabinet costs roughly $20,000-00
An XBOX360, 2 TE's, and a copy of SFIV is roughly a grand. Arcades just dont work in NZ for that reason. If yu want to get competitive at Street fighter, and fighting games in general, then definitely move to auckland.
Personally I think that Yiffans runs at a loss on purpose to take advantage of tax benefits, and in all honesty... other dodgy shit. I cant understand how it makes money. Consider not just the power and the maintenance.. but look at all the staff they have on. Theres always the bouncers, cleaning guys, maintenance dudes.
I would say youre right on the money.
They do seem to cut costs here and there aswell. Our most 'high end' cabinets are the shells of KOF97 machines, and the tatsunoko machine has a wii inside it running the arcade board because it was cheaper than buying the full setup.
Sorry Stereomonkey, I need to know a few more things more from the members to add to letter to the arcade owners, of course this thread is on going I still need the help of those secret people in new plymouth, the questions are how much does a old american type arcade cabinet use in wattage compared to the new japanese arcade cabinets how much wattage ratings are they.
Thanks
Baka101 aka Mark
Well, not having a CRT would help with the wattage, but then the hardware is more powerful...
No flux should of been more clear, there arcade machines in toptown cinema 5 are all american type stand up variety and was wondering how much wattage they used compared to the new japanese arcade cabinets. Part of my plan in the letter is to try to prove the japanese cabs are better more efficient etc, but would like some links etc to see what the differences are in power drawing etc.
Thanks
Mark aka Baka101
Hrm, yeah really not sure. You'd need to ask on some arcade-specific boards I think.
Yeh I will be asking about pcbs, but I want them to replace there american cabinets with the japanese ones and maybe the whole japanese cabinets uses less electricity than the american ones might want them to change due cutting costs etc cause the arcade to them is save money make big money etc. So I will research which ones takes the most power to run.
I went to the nzism facebook and see photos, are any you guys in those photos.
Just posting my marketing problems on entrepreneur connect, and I found a guy who has had 24 years of sales and marketing in America I believe, is working on helping me to find the secret market as its a tough one, I am still doing the research on all the areas I will need to bring up in the letter to bring change to own town's arcade if its possible they may or may not listen who knows.
So if all my attempts fail with a New Plymouth streetfighter 4 tournament/get together or changing our arcades to a better venue like those in wellington, Auckland. Then yeh I will get my job in New Plymouth and practice streetfighter 4 in the downtime I then transfer to Auckland to join you guys, as I said before any of you featured in the nzism facebook photos or not.
Thanks
Mark aka baka101
yupyup....
You have added me.
Most of us have Facebook.... I guess :P
Ah cool nice to meet you, I am keeping you all updated on Facebook on my progress with this tournament and convincing the arcades to get updated. And yeh when I get enough New Plymouth people in my organizing group I can then organize that get together/tournament so please if you know some new plymouth that are part of the SF4 community please get them to hit me up on facebook and yeh all you can come along and enter. But mostly you will all take it out as this will be the first eva tournament in New Plymouth so no one is tournament grade and would only have online fighting experience. But in saying that they would have a level to reach and I hope they would take it upon themselves to reach that level, then we could get some New Plymouth guys in the SF4 national tournament or Auckland tournament etc.
Baka101 aka Mark
Yeah, I saw your invite, but I have a really strict policy on my facebook to only allow close friends.
Please continue posting progress here as well so I can keep up with it though :)
Ok flux I didnt know that policy, ok cool I will keep you all informed of my progress and still need that member who posted about having some new plymouth people to help out if he could contact those people to help out in my crew I am trying to get together at the moment.
Thanks
Mark aka Baka101
Yeah bro keep us up to date here.
I have a facebook and I belong to the NZism group, my name is Graeme. I never use my facebook though, I might log in once a month at the most.
Ok yes it been awhile since I updated this thread, but here's whats been happening. I responded to the guy who had 24yrs in sales and marketing so waiting on a response on that side, also one of the members of nzism on facebook I added came up with the idea to make a gamertag and search for New Zealand players then ask if they are from New Plymouth. So I signed up to xbox live and got a gamertag baka101 but that is in silver membership status so for me to search for new plymouth players would mean for me to purchase a $79.95 gold membership when I don't even have a 360, I run sf4 on my pc for high res graphics and the infinite amount of custom skins,mods etc. So I thought of posting on the new zealand general dicussion under xbox forums trying to find new plymouth players. As many are online playing so I hope to track them down, any other suggestions on how to speak directly to the online community, how do search for new zealand players on xbox live.
After all that I don't know where I can go any further, as my community is stuck online so thats my only options I can think of. Please if theres any fresh ideas I would love to hear from you, I am going to try for my community as much as I can before I move to auckland within the cad industry I am getting cad experience in new plymouth first then once i got enough experience move to auckland and work and play there in tournaments and get togethers etc but before then I will try to find my sf4/fighting gaming community.
And we dont have a RVB here, so if I do find my community how do I go about getting the crt tv's and the xbox360 and ps3's for the tournament/get together, should I get players to bring there own equipment and they get in for free, or just rent out a large projector to play on. So how do you go about getting the equipment you guys have at the tournament/ get togethers remembering New Plymouth is far smaller than auckland in terms of amount of businesses we have and type of businesses/industries etc.
Thanks
Mark Charteris aka baka101
it depends on the people you got, fi they have LCD/ consoles then ur pretty much sweet, just need a venue and the entry fee of course will be cheaper etc... If not then its best to get a venue+ equipment together but cost will have to go back into the entry fee though in saying its useless in teh second case if you dont even get enought people to cover the cost...
not to mention prizes etc.
If you have PC SF4, you should head over to the PC section and drop ur gamer tag there so people can add you etc. I'll update it every now and then once people start posting up.
Yeh Zosla, I also need help on tracking down the online players in my community as mentioned in my recent reply how do I do this are my ways of finding them any good. Cause if I can track them down then yes I can do what you mentioned man.
Thanks
Mark aka Baka101
Anyone have a clue on how I can search for new plymouth people on xbox live or ps3. Or do I have to go to new zealand room and ask everyone there individually are they from New Plymouth as I have no idea please some help people. As Johnny Cage and Long Island Joe said they where spamming xbox live for there tournament idea, so what can I do to get through to new plymouth who would be online have I got the right idea.
Thanks
Mark Aka Baka101
Hey all,
It's been awhile for this update, trying to figure out just how to do this. And once again its Gootecks who gave me an idea on how to even get this tournament realized in a place where there no Streetfighter 4 arcade.
It was Gootecks Streetfighter Barfights that was perfect for New Plymouth because thats what everyone does is just drink anyone cause there ain't any decent arcades here anymore. So integrate Alcohol and Gaming together on the second floor of the Mill, this way we could instantly get to the market because plenty of Streetfighter 4 players here drink and socialise and club. So by bringing it to them, plus being able to drink while playing Streetfighter 4 would be perfect.
Yes there would be downsides to the alcohol side of it, but I need to make aware to the masses that Streetfighter 4 is here and people in New Plymouth need to step up, so I am slowly getting my crew together, I am finding more people. Also guys at ebgames know the woman running the Mill who happens to be a event organizer too.
But of course it ain't going to be called barfights nor will it be exactly like barfights cause out of respect to gootecks, I aint going to rip off his idea. But it makes sense to have something like that in a town where drinking is no. 1 and gaming is underground done on xboxlive at home. But as I mentioned the streetfighters out there moved to clubbing instead due to the arcades closing down here, so I will bring it back this way.
So tell me what you think, remembering again we dont have a streetfighter 4 arcade so its impossible to grasp the numbers, so start this event at the mill to see how it runs, yes like a test bed or catalyst and yes it will get newspaper, radio, flyers, word of mouth etc advertising of the event, also xbox forums and facebook etc, even ask around at WITT.
Thanks
Baka101 aka Mark
I'm not sure if you've talked to Gootecks at all, but tbh I think he'd be pretty fine with you calling it Barfights if you want to. If anything I reckon he'd be fairly impressed to have inspired someone in NP to copy him!
Anyway, sounds like a really good starting point. Keep us informed!
Hey Fluxcore
Glad you like the idea, and no I will brainstorm a different name for it with my crew. So now everyone what are the bad things in tournaments to look out for please list ok, and if I was to do a tournament again for the first time what would i do differently kind of question.
Please give me everything you have on running a tournament in new zealand i want to know everything so I dont mess up this, cause if I mess up the one chance I dont think new plymouth will ever do it again. So nothing can go wrong, I must have all the i's dotted for this to work.
Because if i do this I could go on to organise other tournaments for bar vs bar like bellblock shifty's a asian bar vs the mill in town. And start up a tournament for those under 18 years of age but I must make this happen so people recognise what I am trying to do and then I will push to make a better new plymouth where there is much more to town than drinking and drugs you can fight in tekken and streetfighter.
And get a fighting community again like in the past and bring it to the present.
So please everyone pitch in your ideas and I need your help, and thanks again Fluxcore.
Mark aka Baka101
Quote from: baka101 on October 10, 2009, 01:25:06 AM
Hey Fluxcore
Glad you like the idea, and no I will brainstorm a different name for it with my crew. So now everyone what are the bad things in tournaments to look out for please list ok, and if I was to do a tournament again for the first time what would i do differently kind of question.
Please give me everything you have on running a tournament in new zealand i want to know everything so I dont mess up this, cause if I mess up the one chance I dont think new plymouth will ever do it again. So nothing can go wrong, I must have all the i's dotted for this to work.
Because if i do this I could go on to organise other tournaments for bar vs bar like bellblock shifty's a asian bar vs the mill in town. And start up a tournament for those under 18 years of age but I must make this happen so people recognise what I am trying to do and then I will push to make a better new plymouth where there is much more to town than drinking and drugs you can fight in tekken and streetfighter.
And get a fighting community again like in the past and bring it to the present.
So please everyone pitch in your ideas and I need your help, and thanks again Fluxcore.
Mark aka Baka101
Sorry dude, missed this so a bit of a late post.
THe biggest thing youll notice with a tourney is that they require alot of time to run. Particularly if you have only one setup for them. The first tourney we ran had roughly 35 entrants and only one setup. Took about 6 hours to run as double elim.
Another thing to look out for is people that want to use control pads. Its a real bitch to stop and plug in controllers on both consoles and this can be very time consuming.
If you run multiple setups, it can be difficult keeping an eye on the brackets as well. E.G.: Two people finish a match and instead of reporting theoutcome to you, they fuck off somewhere.
You will also have endless reequests about "When am I up?", "Have I got time for a smoke?" etc etc.
Um.. all I can think of atm. WIll post more when it hits me.
Awesome first effort at a Tournament by Mark Charteris.
6 Players entered for SF4 and 7 players for Tekken 6.
SF4 was played using first to 3 rounds best of 3.
Tekken was first to 4 rounds best of 3.
SF4 was won by me :) as Guile vs Jason Drakes' Sagat.
Tekken 6 won by Greg as Paul vs Jason D's Azuka Kazama.
Stay tuned for Naki SF4 Barfights - Coming to a pub in NP soon!
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Shin-Shoryuken ;{D
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Good start! Well done!
Cool...congratulation.... 8)
Thanks J Po
As J Po said it was a success this first tourney, the next one maybe in early December have to see. I got to experience the tournament atmosphere and the hype was intense, thanks to Gino for the suggestion to use the foosball tournament 8,16 and 32 brackets they where perfect and easy to follow after he explained it all to me.
It was $5 each entry into the Streetfighter 4 and Tekken 6. Being that many of us both competed in both games it was $10. And winner takes all and they did take all they where hungry for the win which was great to see, there was money on the table but it was much more about this tourney than the money everyone was hungry for a great match and thats what they got.
But everything wasn't as perfect, Jason brought his camera and forgot this usb cord so no connection to PC was made. I thought that Jason had left his camera at gregs place who we hosted tourney at, so I picked up a camera and was dropped home by lance with the other boys and Greg said that isn't Jason camera its his flatmate's and Jason said he already got his camera with him. So its that simple to accidentally mix things up when there is alcohol involved and when you mad hyped after your first tourney.
So on Tuesday I got a txt from Greg to say that he was missing his Controller Charger for his wireless 360 controller, and said someone must of mistaken it as theirs so I txted the boys and none of them remembered taking one, it could of been misplaced by Greg, but he got salty about it and being he was nice enough to host it at his place etc I bought him one from Trademe for $30 I think it was.
So my question is how do keep track of all your gear and prevent things from being mistaken as theres, I thought of just bringing the mains bits like 2 controllers for ps3, tv screen or projector, powercord and multiplug, video cables, own arcade sticks, tekken 6 and streetfighter 4. That way everyone knows who things are who and there is no mixing things up.
Because that was the only downer about this tourney and dont want something to happen at the naki barfights of a similar nature.
Now hosting a tourney at a bar, I wonder what kind of turnout you need for this tourney to be a financial and good player turnout. Is 15 for a minimum ok, and how should you run a cash pot in a event like that, also with flyer's do I put a URL link on it pointing to the tournament rules you guys posted, I hope they could understand the rules being this is the first eva tournament in town of its kind. Now what brands and models of tvs and projectors you guys use for tourneys I want to get away from that controller lag, even though me and J Po know of it, you cant convince people even when you give them whole articles on it, because I don't want in a tourney to suddenly have some calling controller lag and use that as a excuse and upset the tourney or create a crowd disruption.
Thanks guys
Hope to get your thoughts on all this
You gonna post here before the next tourney, rather than just GPforums? Because I'm strangely reluctant to help when there's no reciprocation.
Quote from: baka101 on November 19, 2009, 07:20:57 PM
So on Tuesday I got a txt from Greg to say that he was missing his Controller Charger for his wireless 360 controller, and said someone must of mistaken it as theirs so I txted the boys and none of them remembered taking one, it could of been misplaced by Greg, but he got salty about it and being he was nice enough to host it at his place etc I bought him one from Trademe for $30 I think it was.
So my question is how do keep track of all your gear and prevent things from being mistaken as theres, I thought of just bringing the mains bits like 2 controllers for ps3, tv screen or projector, powercord and multiplug, video cables, own arcade sticks, tekken 6 and streetfighter 4. That way everyone knows who things are who and there is no mixing things up.
The first couple of nzism events Fluxcore was handy with a vivid. So name all your shit. I have my name on my Stick, Xbox HDD and Game.
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Now what brands and models of tvs and projectors you guys use for tourneys I want to get away from that controller lag, even though me and J Po know of it, you cant convince people even when you give them whole articles on it, because I don't want in a tourney to suddenly have some calling controller lag and use that as a excuse and upset the tourney or create a crowd disruption.
Well, CRT tv's (usually) have 0 lage. So they are a safe bet. Otherwise most LCD tv's are fine (Samsung and Sony). Plasma tv's can be a bit hit/miss.
Apologies goes out to fluxcore and the other members of nzism, regarding my mock tourney it wasn't a tournament but a mock one that wasn't anything more than a bunch of my mates playing games with a "tournament" bracket so I could understand how it would run. The real tournament is to be held in december and that everyone is invited.
So please accept my apologies and know the next one is to be bigger.
Quote from: baka101 on November 19, 2009, 08:38:37 PM
Apologies goes out to fluxcore and the other members of nzism, regarding my mock tourney it wasn't a tournament but a mock one that wasn't anything more than a bunch of my mates playing games with a "tournament" bracket so I could understand how it would run. The real tournament is to be held in december and that everyone is invited.
So please accept my apologies and know the next one is to be bigger.
Well that's pretty cool. There's still a tourney coming up!
it reallly depends where you have your tournament, teh very first tournament we labelled our gears and put them near a staff member/ admin (me) lol while i was doing the brackets and such on the laptop Flux and Gino helped in calling out names for each match.
at our nationals we kind all put things onto the pool table... so valuable items we put them at teh front counter where we hosted the tournament (RVB) everyone was really nice as they all helped kee aneye on each others item and I can't stress out more that people lend their gears out and I will HATE to see someone losing their stuff so I always go around and check making sure things are ok and asking people to help keep an eye out as well. With 47 entrants xxx spectators you have to be really careful as you don't knwo what random walks in and runs off with you stick of console... oh and always name your gear as it will get confusing since people may have teh same stick (hori) or TE etc.
your next tournament is going to eb at a bar? if its a one day thing I am sure most of us will be keen :) you can charge entry fee depending on teh numbers you expect, always a good idea to have pre-registry so you know the numbers and then see how much u should charge. reason being is that tournaments should stay a minimum cost for the sake of the new blood :P
being said, you can have side bets and such while the tournament runs and even have events such as king of the hill blah blah so forth. Grudge matches are always the way to hype things up too :)
Thanks Zosla about the stuff on not letting gear go walk abouts
Next tournament is going to be at a house its a prequel to barfights and yes its a one day thing I hope to run it in december early december, its same format as my last mock tourney but bigger just going over specifics about it, then gets you guys down to it.
I hope to get the mill barfights sorted for January, I will go much more into organising it in december due to exams concluding at end of november. And yeh though about preregistering as i need numbers of people coming to see the feasiblility of this tourney and will work out a charge with the owner of the mill so she gets back something and have enough in the cash pot for the money prizes. But need some of you guys to come down for this tourney in december so I can show you the state of newplymouth and show you exactly what i have been saying in my entire thread from the start and show you just where I want to host the barfights at and you guys can then give me critical feedback on whats needed and ways I can improve on my tournament running skills.
Yeh I would love some money matches with the mill barfights one, that would be great and you will have to explain in person more about grudge matches in december when you come down. I need to figure out a good date in december to suit everyone.
Thanks
Mark
Heya Mark,
Grats on getting a scene started up. Couple of things for what it's worth.
You might want to think about giving more notice. I generally try to give at least 2 months notice. This lets you build hype, and gives people plenty of time to organise shit ready for the tourney. Particularly if you want some of us to drive to NP and help/join in.
If youre trying to build hype, then having it at a house can be pretty hard to manage. I dont know bout you but Im not cool with randoms turning up to my pad. You cant be watching shit all the time. ALso it can discourage new people from coming along as turning up to a strangers pad can be intimidating.
With regards other peoples shit going missing. Make sure you get the right mindset going at the start. Ask people to bring thier stuff but put the onus on them to look after their own shit. Make sure you remind everyone at the start to look after other peoples shit and to respect other people and their gear. At the end of the day people will bring gear, cause they will want the event to happen as much as everyone else. Also, another useful item to bring are some labels and a marker pen. Can help heaps.
This forum is a greeeeeeeeeeeeat resource for you to use. Particularly with regards gettting people to log interest. If you are making flyers, put this sites URL in, and link to a thread that you can make that is specifically for your tournaments registration. This gives people a way to ask questions about the tourney, rib each other, and its also an easy way to get people into your community. If you a rehell bent on doing the next tourney at your own house, then make sure you get people to use the forum, to help as an icebreaker before the tourney.
We have our own tourney happening on DEC 12 in auckland so am unsure whether any of us can make it to NP tbh for your december tourney. Hope it goes well though.
Lenny
Hey The Lenny
1st point - I only discovered this site a month ago I believe and wouldnt of known about this site if gootecks hadn't of put me in the right direction by getting me in touch with that sister site I think that australian one it starts with O, I cant remember. I wouldn't of known about gootecks if I hadnt of watched I GOT NEXT which introduced me to the top players and what really is going on in the fighting scene.
So hence my timing on tourneys, so I dont have time for months in advance being that I only got to know about I GOT NEXT and through that found this site and I dont know when I joined up on this forum. Plus I am a one man band organise the whole of new plymouth fight scene without a arcade with Tekken 6 and Streetfighter 4 so I have to find the players somehow because they aint in town because no arcade, so I get lucky and find friends who know people that the way that the first mock tourney I had came about and gave new plymouth a chance to see what a tourney was and compete in the same player level being each of other didnt know each others player level nor who would do well etc and even know each other to start off with.
And have to be at a house because organizing anything on a student allowance is impossible being that it is to run out soon. And this tourney in December is a friend get together so nothing over the top maybe be like the one that J PO mentioned its simple but not over the top.
Only time I am going to do flyers is for serious stuff like the mill barfights in January and of course will have the url of this site and the rules url on it also, and yeh the tournament preregistration from you site. And yep give New Plymouth players a way to ask questions etc on this and you guys of course. But as I try to keep telling you Auckland guys is that its only until you come to New Plymouth you will see the state the fighting game community is in and how hard it is to find players and how hard it is for myself to organise everything so I am trying my best people.
Ok if you guys cant make it to ours we are still having our own tourney happening for new plymouth people and any other out of towners who might want to attend, so I have given any invitation out to you all so please dont flame me i admit i made a mistake last time I am totally new to tournaments and organising new plymouth is a crap job.
Thanks
Mark
Turns out November is the month after August... I must've failed kindergarten
Quote from: fluxcore on August 24, 2009, 08:06:07 PM
As for trying to find people, I guess the first thing to do is to post around places that are likely to get some nibbles that you're interested in running a tournament and for people to get in contact with you if they are interested. From that you can meet a couple of the people, play some games together, and generally just start small. Once you've met a couple of dudes I'm sure they'll know of other people or places that will generate more interest. Once you've got >8 people interested then just make a little tourney to test the waters. Put some money up or something to get a little interest in it.
Cool, sounds like you're taking my advice from Aug 24th, read the rest of this thread and you'll have no probs.
Shit im prety sure I didnt flame you sorry dude... Im just tryna help.
Sounds like you are tryna move mountains on your own a bit bro. Of all the peeps that turned up to your first tourney you sure there isnt anyone to help you out? Doing it yourself is just gonna make you bitter and annoyed, sharing the burden makes it better and lets you enjoy it more. Also, make everyone put 2 dollars in, get some cheap sausages, some bread, and some sauce and make sure that you get everyone to hang out for a quick feed afterwards if you possibly can. Youll be surprised how much that will tighten your group.
I have been to New Plymouth before, so I do understand that any scene you out together would be small, but I guess one advantage that you might have is that in a boring town like NP, at least if youre putting something on, chances are itll be the only thing on in all of town :-) less likely to have to fight for other peeps.
Setting up tournements is always hard work no matter when or where you do it. Everyplace has its unique issues that have to be dealt with. Just keep chugging along and youll get there. We have organised stuff here for the last year now, and everytime we do it we learn something new, and improve the next thing we organise. Just keep building it slowly and make sure you dont burn your bridges and youll do fine.
Another thing to think about is that we will have Bar Fights NZ in around March, and our nats prob mid way through next year. If you can get your guys to one of those, itt might open there eyes in a big way. I swear to god bro, nothing motivates the peeps like 50 hardcore street fighter players in one room all oo'ing and ah'ing. Might make your guys wanna level up to come and thrah some of us :)
Yeah we get it bro, it's hard with no Arcade.
You need to start putting up posters and shit like that in shopping areas,malls,and gaming shops and pc cafe's. Thats how i used to find Tekken tournies in West Auckland.
Our gaming shops like Central Park (RIP) and Gamesman threw tournies out here.
I bet heaps of people will see the fliers/posters and be like ''Yeah, I own at that game''. Then tell their friends '' We need to train for this tourny bro''. Thats what happened to me back then before i found this site.
And if prometed right there will be a massive community in NP, and heaps of you's will be on this forum.
So yeah promote this properly where people would actually SEE it. Like starting off with general/casual gamers. You do have Game shops right? And I bet they have sold a ton of SF4 and Tekken 6 copies.
I'm still a general gamer I don just play fighting games. And I bet theres heaps of people like me in NP. Dont just go for the fighting game enthusiasts as they might be limited due to no Arcade.
Quote from: weazzyefff on November 20, 2009, 04:07:38 PM
Our gaming shops like Central Park (RIP)
A moment of silence for this fine establishment...
Quote from: Smoofologist on November 20, 2009, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: weazzyefff on November 20, 2009, 04:07:38 PM
Our gaming shops like Central Park (RIP)
A moment of silence for this fine establishment...
*poors out a little liquor*
You are my new friend Weazzyefff, you the only one to understand how difficult it is not having a arcade with SF4 and Tekken 5,5DR,6 etc. And having to find a player base due to everyone at home playing online, I managed to find 7 people through friends and its slowly increasing from there. For this fun tourney in december that many of you cant attend due to your own tourney, it will be through friends and people I trust i will find local players.
But yeh will do the flyer thing with the barfights most definately, and have help hopefully from the owner of the mill as she is a event organiser and knows her stuff. And unfortunately ebgames in newplymouth doesnt allow the promoting of things that aint ebgames even though sf4 and t6 was bought from there and would mean they would get more sales which I explained. EBgames is our only gaming store after that it is The Warehouse, Bond and Bond, Noel Leemings, Harvey Norman and they are the same in regards to flyers, but I will sought out the flyers in december after my exams in november.
I feel you pain with Central Park its like when our last decent arcade closed down Laserforce then all the players stop coming into town and all went underground to play online.
Because there is no arcade here with the games I mentioned everyone gives up on playing the fighting games and just plays what ever has come out at the time whether its dj hero, cod4 etc because they say what is the point in playing them if there is only people online to play against and I want to play against real people which is the arcade, hence the reason for my first mock tourney and future ones to come to feel that empty void and get gamers to socialise and up there skills, get hype and keep the egos huge.
I just got to get as many tourneys out there, even if it is only new plymouth people attending at this stage, because the real one will be the barfights and that one is the one you will want to attend if you dont attend the others due to conflicting dates with own tourneys.
Thanks
Quote from: Smoofologist on November 20, 2009, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: weazzyefff on November 20, 2009, 04:07:38 PM
Our gaming shops like Central Park (RIP)
A moment of silence for this fine establishment...
i think i still got my membership card for that place floating around.
Quote from: samurai black on November 20, 2009, 05:42:33 PM
Quote from: Smoofologist on November 20, 2009, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: weazzyefff on November 20, 2009, 04:07:38 PM
Our gaming shops like Central Park (RIP)
A moment of silence for this fine establishment...
i think i still got my membership card for that place floating around.
LOL, yeah i pretty much won every tourny they had. It was always me and 19 other Asians in the final 20, no matter what game it was.
Quote from: baka101 on November 20, 2009, 05:37:59 PM
For this fun tourney in december that many of you cant attend due to your own tourney, it will be through friends and people I trust i will find local players.
... because the real one will be the barfights and that one is the one you will want to attend if you dont attend the others due to conflicting dates with own tourneys.
Thanks
There are peeps in this community from all over N.Z, not just Auckland. Hamilton, Wellington, Munta in Christchurch. It's not that hard to become part of the community. You just make contact pretty much.
Heres a tip bro. Find someone with a pool, and call it pool fights. Invite heaps of chicks, tell guys to bring their lil sisters and tell them the weazzy is rocking up.
Then i'll show you's a fish outta water cancel into staple with the ol budgy smugglers.
And there's your hype. Now you cant say the weazzy never helped with shit.
Quote from: weazzyefff on November 21, 2009, 12:31:53 AM
Heres a tip bro. Find someone with a pool, and call it pool fights. Invite heaps of chicks, tell guys to bring their lil sisters and tell them the weazzy is rocking up.
Then i'll show you's a fish outta water cancel into staple with the ol budgy smugglers.
And there's your hype. Now you cant say the weazzy never helped with shit.
er, the pool with teh party and chicks sounds great there bro, but you pulling a fish and erm. hmm yeah well keep teh snake in teh closet aye :P
*Spoiler alert*
Morry my mate has been talking to Grumpy Mole owners Ayden and Hayden in New Plymouth, it seems the venue is confirmed to be at Grumpy Mole. So I am giving you all months in advance, its either January or February its happening, at the moment I am doing a feasibility study for grumpy mole and will soon give them a DVD outlining what is about to happen there and how it should look its based on the style of Gootecks barfights.
How to design Grumpy Mole to get that streetfighter 4 & tekken 6 barfights is going to be chore, as in my mind I always thought of the Mill 2nd floor to be the perfect venue, but Morry has contacts in Grumpy Mole and being I am a poor student I cant be picky. So whether we have it all up on the 2nd level of Grumpy Mole or we have the stuff before top 8 upstairs and then top 8 downstairs on there projector I can decide. I have 2 more players to add to my team from that last mock tourney.
So at the moment I cant give you a date I can only give you a estimate January and February as I have said a million times and will say again this is New Plymouth's first ever fighting game tournament YES the first ever fighting game tournament so I am still finding more players from the underground who play at home online, thanks to my mates I am slowly finding more. So being this is a major tournament for New Plymouth because this will be the first and it will be public so no room for error cause this chance could change New Plymouth back to the golden era of arcade gaming experience and chance to change both Bowlarama and Toptown arcades with hopefully a upgrade etc, and also give people a reason to leave online at home and come challenge real people in the physical sense.
So what I need to know from you guys a estimate of numbers who could come down for some exhibition matches etc during the barfights, even though I haven't confirmed a date only months it could be happening in.
So tell me what you are thinking, in March I am moving to Wellington with my sister so before that happens I am organising New Plymouth fighting community as a last task before I leave and pass the task onto someone who may might want to run with it.
Thanks
Baka101