Any newbies out there looking to become an apprentice? I think SRK set up a similar mentor/apprentice thread with some success. I think this would be a good way to build the NZ community, teaching on a one to one basis can be much more beneficial than random bits of information here and there.
The idea of the thread is people post their PSN username, which game they play including characters or just general advice and whether or not they wish to be a mentor or apprentice.
Apprenticeships could last as long as the apprentice gets on their own feet or whatever.
I don't know how this idea will work but it's worth a try I guess.
Here's a list so far:
SSF4 MENTORS
Abel: erugoodwin
Adon:
Akuma: iMagneto, erugoodwin
Balrog (Boxer): karizzma
Blanka: CrazyMobius
C. Viper: Hydrokinesis_
Cammy: iMagneto
Chun Li: SkullatorNZ
Cody:
Dan:
Dee Jay:
Dhalsim: CrazyMobius
Dudley:
E. Honda: SkullatorNZ, CptMunta
El Fuerte: illbill087, karizzma
Fei Long:
Gen: manawakore
Gouken:
Guile: CrazyMobius
Guy:
Hakan:
Ibuki:
Juri:
Ken: CrazyMobius
M. Bison (Dictator): iMagneto
Makoto:
Rose: CptMunta
Rufus: Hydrokinesis_
Ryu:
Sagat:
Sakura: iMagneto
Seth: Hydrokinesis_
T. Hawk:
Vega (Claw): Hydrokinesis_
Zangief:
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Sounds good.
MENTOR
User: SkullatorNZ
Game: SF4, SSF4
Main: Chun, Alt: E.Honda
APPRENTICE
Game: SF2 HD-Remix
Char: Chun
MENTOR
User: iMagneto
Game: SF4, SSF4
Main: Dictator (bison) Alt: Akuma, Cammy, Ryu, Rufus, Sakura
Now this is the single best idea I've seen on these forums in a long time, and a great reason to start posting fully again! I wholly offer my services:
MENTOR
User: Hydrokinesis_
Game: SF4 (& SSF4)
Main: C.Viper & Claw
Alt: Rufus, Gen, Seth, Rose.
I will be switching to Cody for my main in super, but keeping C.Viper as my most serious alt, So please don't hesitate to look me up for advice on any of the above, including a few more from super: Guy, Juri & Ibuki-kun.
Absolutely love this idea. Let's get it crackin'
MENTOR
User: erugoodwin
Game: SF4, SSF4
Main: Abel
Alt: TBC :P
I'll also be the first to announce my noobness with some characters I'd love to get better with
APPRENTICE
User: erugoodwin
Game: SF4, SSF4
Need help with: Guy, Makoto, Guile, Deejay!
who wants to get shot by cable in marvel?
Im not sure if your post is related to this thread Richard. Can you please explain what your talking about.
Thanks
Looks like I'm the first Apprentice, CrazyMobi coaching me in HD remix ;D
Quote from: Skullator on April 26, 2010, 07:35:13 PM
Looks like I'm the first Apprentice, CrazyMobi coaching me in HD remix ;D
OK deal. I'll try to be on as much as possible before Super. (that usually only means 1 to 2 hours in the evening) But if you are serious about playing HD for the nationals I'll be glad to give you some more in depth basics after the initial week of ssf4 hype.
Luckily Chun is probably my best character on HD. However mirror matches are a bit hard to get a feeling for what she's about.
Shot man, and yeah I'm serious. The game seems really fun so it's definitely looking like a good one to have under the belt, even after nationals.
Kun is kind of like a suffix used with Japanese names. (Sort of like 'san'. eg. when Seth Killian refers to Daigo as 'Umehara san')
Kun is used when referring to a younger boy (ie. under the age of about 13). Or between younger boys. Likewise, 'chan' is used when referring to younger girls, or when referring to a toddler or smaller child.
eg:
Lenny: Come *young boys name* Kun. There is candy in my van.
and subsequently
Lenny: Sorry *young girls name* chan, no vaginas allowed.
Usually for teenagers -> adults 'san' is the one you would use. And its gender ambiguous as well. Sort of like smoof.
As for me:
MENTOR
User: illbill087
Game: SF4, SSF4
Char: El Fuerte
Game: Eating Poop
Game: MVC2
Char: Whoever the hell you like.
APPRENTICE
Game: HD Remix
Char: Dee Jay.
Pretty sure Smoof knew and was giving James shit for referring to Ibuki as a boy lol
Bill get ready for the GRUDGE MATCH
Your scrubJay vs my SUPER TURBO BLACK COSTUME CHUN
Get on my lvl
Smoof pretty mush speaks all asian languages. I just felt like being a know-it-all.
Scrubjay will smile at your pathetic attempts at chun. And even your not-so-pathetic attempts at chun. HES JUST THAT FUCKING HAPPY.
I dont even know if im trash talking or not.
... Teach me my new super team Bill.
AMINGO
MORRIGAN
JUGGERNAUT
I told Alan to pick this team and he was pretty beast with it so I reckon it's probably the best team you can get without including the kings of marvel.
Give me 1 day to learn Amingo, and we'll be set.
I was thinking of switching one of them for Silver Samurai.
Sounds dope!
Don't know if I qualify to mentor shit tho.. :P
MENTOR
User: manawakore
Game: SF4, SSF4
Main: Gen
APPRENTICE
Game: SF4 SSF4
Char: Guile, Guy & Makoto
No mic as yet(next on to do list)
Rose is probably going to get more players with such a rad new ultra. I can help with meterless basics, as U2 I can't help till I spend some time in the lab.
Lets specify if we have mics. They'll make teaching waaaaaaaay easier
I got Mic!
MENTOR
User: CptMunta
Game: SSF4
Main: Rose
Alt: Honda, Cammy, Bison, Sim
APPRENTICE
Game: SSF4
Char: Guy, Cody, Hakan
MENTOR
User: karizzma
Game: SSF4
Main: Fuerte
Alt: Rog
APPRENTICE
Game: SSF4
Char: Hakan, Fuerte, Rog
Quote from: stereomonkey on April 26, 2010, 06:34:09 PM
Im not sure if your post is related to this thread Richard. Can you please explain what your talking about.
Thanks
...
MENTORUser: samuraiblack86
Game: mvc2
Main: scrubclops (cable/sent/cyke)
Alt: ryu/gambit/guile and also a tonne of other low tiers
APPRENTICEGame: hd remix
Char: guile
No need for ellipses bro, just wanting you to stick with the format CrazyMobius set up alright :)
Richard, be serious. This thread is here for a reason.
Thanks.
Don't think I can qualify as a mentor for any char : /
APPRENTICE
PSN ID: Pjai
Game: SSF4
Char: Chun, Juri, Ibuki, Ryu
Quote from: Pjai on April 28, 2010, 10:20:25 AM
Don't think I can qualify as a mentor for any char : /
APPRENTICE
PSN ID: Pjai
Game: SSF4
Char: Chun, Juri, Ibuki, Ryu
I would be glad to take you under my wing and show you the way of the thigh if you like, I may also be working on Ibuki\Juri but Makoto will be priority one for a new char, so it could be fun learning them with you.
Just a suggestion so that we can try and consolidate some of this information!
Can we get the first post updated with this stuff please ? I've arranged the mentors by Character (so that anyone looking to up their "Guile" game can quickly see that their first port of call should be CrazyMobius)
I've left out the apprentice sections, as I think that should be up to the pupil to get in touch with their desired mentor and get the tutorial ball rolling that way... which should help keep the thread tidy and make it easier for Mobius and the mods to update the first post :)
Also, I haven't included everyones alt characters just so the whole mentoring thing doesn't spread anyone too thin... although if that's fine with you, then by all means ask to get your name added to the appropriate characters :)
Would it be too much trouble to get someone else to compile the list for the other games ? HDR should be easy enough, but MVC2 sounds like it'd be a bitch lol
SSF4 MENTORS
Abel: erugoodwin
Adon:
Akuma: iMagneto, erugoodwin
Balrog (Boxer): karizzma
Blanka: CrazyMobius
C. Viper: Hydrokinesis_
Cammy: iMagneto
Chun Li: SkullatorNZ
Cody:
Dan:
Dee Jay:
Dhalsim: CrazyMobius
Dudley:
E. Honda: SkullatorNZ, CptMunta
El Fuerte: illbill087, karizzma
Fei Long:
Gen: manawakore
Gouken:
Guile: CrazyMobius
Guy:
Hakan:
Ibuki:
Juri:
Ken: CrazyMobius
M. Bison (Dictator): iMagneto
Makoto:
Rose: CptMunta
Rufus: Hydrokinesis_
Ryu:
Sagat:
Sakura: iMagneto
Seth: Hydrokinesis_
T. Hawk:
Vega (Claw): Hydrokinesis_
Zangief:
Nice bro
Quote from: electric on April 28, 2010, 10:42:45 AM
Just a suggestion so that we can try and consolidate some of this information!
Thanks heaps Eru. Good stuff.
APPRENTICE
PSN ID: ericsonau
Game: SSF4
Char: Guile, Deejay, Ryu, Cody, Rufus
Please add me as a Cody Mentor also.
Happy to help develop other budding jailbirds in SSFIV
I'm not good enough for mentor, but if anyone wants to talk makoto hit me up
I feel the same about Dee Jay. Ill be playing him seriously, but im not going to offer my mentor services until i dont suck.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on April 29, 2010, 12:41:33 PM
I feel the same about Dee Jay. Ill be playing him seriously, but im not going to offer my mentor services until i dont suck.
You maining or alting deejay? If you're maining him I don't want to :p
Alt bro. Not dropping fuerte.
Admittedly, im feeling Dee Jay less and less the more i play him. I need to give all the new characters a try. Im liking the look of Guy/Ibuki so far. But theyre both probably going to be a bit too popular for my liking.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on April 30, 2010, 09:58:33 PM
Admittedly, im feeling Dee Jay less and less the more i play him. I need to give all the new characters a try. Im liking the look of Guy/Ibuki so far. But theyre both probably going to be a bit too popular for my liking.
Any particular reason or just not your style?
liking DeeJay in the rog matchup so far. His Cr.RH seems to stop alot of stuff.
Not my style mainly. He has some cool stuff, but i just wanted to rush that shit down. His crossup is awesome, and he has 1000 ways to knock your ass down and set up crossup/jd.lk shenanigans. But i dunno. I might end up going back to him. Im still trying to feel out the new characters to see who suits me the best.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on May 01, 2010, 10:36:46 AM
Not my style mainly. He has some cool stuff, but i just wanted to rush that shit down. His crossup is awesome, and he has 1000 ways to knock your ass down and set up crossup/jd.lk shenanigans. But i dunno. I might end up going back to him. Im still trying to feel out the new characters to see who suits me the best.
Cant even listen to you guys talk about this game ay. It makes the bourbon in my blood boil.
TOO new for the mentor scene ;D
APPRENTICE
PSN ID: DevconPrime
Game: SSF4
Char: Abel, Dudley, Cody.
APPRENTICE
Game: SSF4
Char: Ibuki, Viper, Rufus
Quote from: Arkade on May 14, 2010, 03:10:25 AM
APPRENTICE
Game: SSF4
Char: Ibuki, Rose, Adon, Sakura, Rufus
Looking for a third Char atm. Would be interested in learning one of these Chars
I could teach some you some Rose. I'm just on really sporadically that's all. Next time I'm online and free I can shoot you an invite that way we can rock some mirrors in 5 round battles. She's pretty easy to pick up I reckon. Only a few of her Ultra 2 setups are a tad execution heavy.
Quote from: CptMunta on June 01, 2010, 01:44:04 PM
I could teach some you some Rose. I'm just on really sporadically that's all. Next time I'm online and free I can shoot you an invite that way we can rock some mirrors in 5 round battles. She's pretty easy to pick up I reckon. Only a few of her Ultra 2 setups are a tad execution heavy.
Sweet! sounds good
If anyone can help me improve my dudley game it would be much appreciated even just some specific matchup stratigies(specially against dhalsim lol) and would be really keen to learn vega properly too.
Quote from: Snake1337 on June 21, 2010, 01:39:57 AM
If anyone can help me improve my dudley game it would be much appreciated even just some specific matchup stratigies(specially against dhalsim lol) and would be really keen to learn vega properly too.
it sounds like u have problem against flash dhalsim and hydros vega? As dudly you can't get in close enuff to dish out the dmg?
Quote from: zosla on June 21, 2010, 08:43:16 AM
it sounds like u have problem against flash dhalsim and hydros vega? As dudly you can't get in close enuff to dish out the dmg?
That's exactly the problem i seem to be faced with lol i have no other experiance playing against sim so its hard trying to figure what i should do, any suggestions? oh and the vega comment was meant as a apprentice request lol
after playing FLash for about 5-7 games, his Dhalsim is the usual type, run away safe, hit and very rarely take his chances at closeup and as Dudely u will have a really hardtime.
I am not much of a dudely player but when I use char such as Cammy who needs to get in close for the dmg, I tend to focus myself in or catch him with his pokes, do anything to get that knockdown. Once ur in, don't let him out until u show him that he not dare to let u in again. Its a hard game because Dhalsim has got really good zoning tool and you will have to play ur mixup game very well up close, bait him tech throws and pokes up close. Ther eis nothing u can do if u can't get it, just remember that.
Heres my experience as a Sim player against Dudley.
If sim whiffs standing feirce at full screen you can punish on reaction with stand feirce or even standing roundhouse xx EX MGB but thats really hard.
At 3/4 to 2/3 screen range you can focus through his limbs, but at close range dont as he can OS your focus attempts.
Dont use ducking too much as most sims can react to it with back+short. Also never try to duck through yoga fires as you'll eat feirce.
at mid range you can get some success with the counter move, but use it VERY sparingly as if the sim isnt pushing a button when you do it he gets a free teleport combo which hurts like fuck.
At mid range if you are ducking and sim whifs a standing forward or roundhouse, you can get a dp out of it.
When you finally get in, try not to jump at all cause all of sims aa options beat dudley out really easily. use loads of st feirce and stnd roundhouse xx ducking to keep the pressure on. DONT BE PREDICTABLE WITH YOUR THROWS. One throw tech from sim and he gets to push you out pretty easily unless you take some risks.
Also if you block or even get hit by a yoga sniper, you can punish with EX MGB iirc. XPunch can prob help you witht his match as he plays against my sim semi regular.
All in all its a shit match for Dudley... YAY SIM!
Yeah it really isnt the greatest matchup but the fun is in the challenge of trying to get good enough to overcome him lol. Ill def take the minimal ducking to account and the no jumping in close, tbh i try not to use jump ins but i cant seem to find many more ways to set up my target combos unless its dash through a hadouken from shoto. but thanks for the responses Zosla nd Lenny
This will help with the Dudley vs Sim match up practise that and it will become very rewarding when you land it and could lead to massive combo mix up damage stun that mofo then kill him off lolz. I like this match up but its very hard to win this match lolz.
F.mk is beastly for tick throw setups and jet upper/super/ultra/ex ssb setups. like Lenny said don't get predictable as im always Mr predictable lolz but once you find a pattern and your opponent clicks to what your doing, turn your tick throw into a jet upper walk up like your gna throw then change the game plan.
You gotta take calculated risks with Dudley and they will pay off, never get into a pattern with your overheads, low high combos, and throws, make sure you space yourself good after you score a knockdown sometimes when you stand in a certain place your opponent will know what move you would do, too far from the opponent they will expect a c.hk since they know your not in range for an overhead or a low high target combo etc.., just try not to stand still when you score a knockdown walk back and forward even neutral jump is somethimes good. Dudley is all about the mix ups so don't be scared to throw out the party staters. s.hp and s.hk are beastly in this match.
once Sim's in the corner NEVER jump put the pressure on and don't forget about sims lk slide into throw its a killah. also s.hk is good for teleport attempts will auto correct and has good recovery if whiffed so you can just mash it lol. Sims snipe can trade in your favour with s.hp and f.hp which is good but you have to know when to do it. you can punish a blocked hk with ex mgun.
You don't have to kill Sim, you can get in the damage and play it cool kick back in the corner if your that confident and just keep him out, sim doesn't want to be up close and personal he wants you to try and get him, make Sim the frustrated one, his moves dont take off much when you block them, all his long range pokes do nothing and thats where most of Sim's damage comes from, as soon as the match starts go for broke, you just gotta watch the teleport and thats when the s.hk comes in to play. Also play around with your jump in's sometimes you can catch Sim off gaurd, ducking into jump in. ducking into f.hp, focus a limb dash forward into s.hk, just change it up and be random but make sure your in control ;D
also watch this i don't think that sim is too good but yeah might help you abit.
Dudley vs Sim is nothing compared to Sim vs Hakan...
hakan vs any1 pretty much sucks for hakan lol
Holy shit.. thats like the most Ive ever seen Jay post!!!
i hate Sim that much thats why lolz :P
nah iv been trying to learn Sim just to see what I can do against him with Dudley, i like sim tho, he's fun as to play with but i don't know how to fight against Abel i just get fully owned.
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Quote from: xpunch on June 23, 2010, 06:00:38 PM
i hate Sim that much thats why lolz :P
nah iv been trying to learn Sim just to see what I can do against him with Dudley, i like sim tho, he's fun as to play with but i don't know how to fight against Abel i just get fully owned.
Sim is a bitch to learn tbh. I spent months getting fucking reamed till i managed to get decent with him. He needs heaps of matchup knowledge to use well, and you have to get to know the SFIV system well with him too.
The best general advice for playing an aggressive character, or a character who relies a lot on mixups is dont be afraid to sacrifice health and damage for information. Try your various setups but instead of trying to land the big damage, stop and block for a bit and see how he is reacting. Is he mashing uppercut? Is he mashing throw? Is he just trying to block?
Even if you lose the first round, youre going into the second round knowing exactly how he is going to try to counter you, so you are able to take measures to break his defenses.
Its exactly like baiting a wakeup DP, but youre applying the principle to the rest of your game as well. It turns say, a 50/50 guessing game into one thats stacked a lot more heavily in your own favour, since youre not actually guessing at all. If you KNOW what your opponent is going to do next, you win the game.
Dudley's jumping HK beats Sim's knee at certain distances.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on June 24, 2010, 03:16:11 PM
Dudley's jumping HK beats Sim's knee at certain distances.
Yeah i wouldn't rely on that though. I know that when I play Jay and I see him jumping in at that range I just change which anti air i use. Believe it or not, standing feirce beats all of dudleys far jumpins for free, and st roundhouse does the rest.
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on June 24, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
Yeah i wouldn't rely on that though. I know that when I play Jay and I see him jumping in at that range I just change which anti air i use. Believe it or not, standing feirce beats all of dudleys far jumpins for free, and st roundhouse does the rest.
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Dudley's J.HK gets owned by sim's AA options
Iv tried, sims an arsehole like sakura's AA and rogs AA bolo ;D ;D