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Regional Matchmaking/Introductions => Auckland => Topic started by: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 01:39:16 PM

Title: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 01:39:16 PM
Hi guys,

Just picked up a couple of HRAP3 sticks and was told this is the place to go for fighting games in NZ. Pretty scrub at the moment but looking to get better. Playing T6 and SSF4 on PS3.

Good times!
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 05, 2010, 01:57:34 PM
Hey man welcome to the site.

This is a good site for tournaments and offline training sessions and shit. You'll get some good tips here but if you really wana master your character go look at shoryuken.com - they have good char strat discussions and matchup strats.

And add some names from the psn list to test out the shit you learned with jak shit lag.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 02:24:53 PM
Sounds good, I will definately check it out. Only just insterested in getting in to these games seriously now. I used to play a little SF2 when I was a young fella, followed by T3 and MvC2 a bit later on, however I was never really that proficent with them.

Still trying to work out who I want to start out playing actually. I have always used King when I played Tekken and he looks quite fun to play now. Was also looking at having a play with Zangief for SSF4 but I am not sure how viable he would be to learn? :D Played a lot of Akuma Ken etc in my younger days, want to stay away from that for a while this time around.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: zos'la on July 05, 2010, 02:32:23 PM
welcome^^
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: electric on July 05, 2010, 02:34:15 PM
Welcome bro

This is definitely the place to be if you're a fighting game player in NZ - and don't worry about being too scrubby... we've all been there before - there are a ton of good players here who would be willing to give you tips or whatever too

Zangief is definitely viable in SSF4 - in fact, NZ's number 1 player mains Zangief - and to be fair, SSF4 is pretty even in terms of balance... you might run in to the odd hard match up (Seth springs to mind) but that's not to say it isn't winnable. Pick someone that matches how YOU like to play the game, then take it from there :)
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 02:45:23 PM
Quote from: electric on July 05, 2010, 02:34:15 PM
Zangief is definitely viable in SSF4 - in fact, NZ's number 1 player mains Zangief - and to be fair, SSF4 is pretty even in terms of balance... you might run in to the odd hard match up (Seth springs to mind) but that's not to say it isn't winnable. Pick someone that matches how YOU like to play the game, then take it from there :)

Haha that's good to know, I just wanted to try something a little different. I am actually finding combos in SF a lot harder than Tekken at this stage. I think my timing must be off as I am struggling with even basic combos in challenge mode. Glad to see there is a comminity in NZ at least :D Look forward to getting better.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 05, 2010, 02:57:23 PM
Yeah i reckon the combos are harder in SF too ay, well the proper ones of course. I think it's to make up for the whole 2d plane thing and the rest of the shit that's way easier in SF (throws in T6 butrape me).
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: weazzyefff on July 05, 2010, 02:57:23 PM
Yeah i reckon the combos are harder in SF too ay, well the proper ones of course. I think it's to make up for the whole 2d plane thing and the rest of the shit that's way easier in SF (throws in T6 butrape me).

Yeah I think I just need to sit down with someone that knows what they are doing and get shown the basics, then I should be ok. Still getting used to the sanwa stick, definately better than the old arcade sticks I am used to playing on but quite different.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 05, 2010, 03:23:34 PM
Whatch a couple of Gief Vidz then learn the shit in training mode.

First off learn his link. cr lp x3, c lk, ex green hand.

Then mix it up with tic throw SPD's. lp, lp, SPD. etc..

When you get knock down, use jump down HP, it looks like a splash. And crossup and shit, but time it so you don't get auto correct DP'd. I think you could use it ambiguously too, not too sure haven't played him in ages.

After you confident with that go suss out the different matchups. Learn the option select GH (green hand for teleport dudes too. That might be a bit too advanced. Oh well here's your Gief club here bro http://shoryuken.com/f266/   Good Luck!!! :)

LOL only one guy viewing Gief on SRK hahahaha, shame Gief. God i hate Gief.

Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 03:29:16 PM
Cheers for that! Will definately check it out when I get home from work.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 05, 2010, 04:00:09 PM
Quote from: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 03:29:16 PM
Cheers for that! Will definately check it out when I get home from work.
No problem mane.

I love seeing people progress in the N.Z scene. If you work at it hard enough you can go a long way. Plus we all need to level up as a whole. And helping you out will eventually help me out as i need Gief experience.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Skullator on July 05, 2010, 04:06:21 PM
Welcome aboard, try hit up the ranbats tournaments at some stage if you're that keen. Even if it's just to spectate, there's alot of fun to be had and learning to do.

Good karma Weazzy!
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 04:10:32 PM
Quote from: Skullator on July 05, 2010, 04:06:21 PM
Welcome aboard, try hit up the ranbats tournaments at some stage if you're that keen. Even if it's just to spectate, there's alot of fun to be had and learning to do.

Good karma Weazzy!

Yeah thanks for the warm welcome everyone, will defiantely hit up the research tonight when I get home and start practicing. Should I just hit practice mode or look at online play? From what some people have said it's a lot different with the lag etc. Don't really want to get in to bad habbits right off the bat. Don't really have anyone that I know that plays on any sort of decent level. Only really got 2 sticks so my mates can have a little jam when they cruise on over. Plus it's awesome for some MAME :D
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: geneterror on July 05, 2010, 04:20:31 PM
I mix up online and offline. Honestly it's hard to avoid online, it's good for practcing new tricks etc. I would be fucked without online as I'm to busy these days and have to many responsibilities to be able to meet up with people all the time to get offline practice. Without online I don't think I would have picked up a fighting game this seriously again I don't have as much time to kill in Yifans all day now either..
I play online a few night's a week and try and play a good offline session once a week. Like Skullator said come along to Ranbats if you're in Auckland it's a good way to exchanges notes/ideas/strats and get some offline practice with some of the best out there in NZ. Also a good way to hang with a bunch of good cunts ;)
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 05, 2010, 04:24:49 PM
Don't go online unless you can atleast hit that first combo i gave you consistently (c lp x3, c lk, ex GH). And practice some tick throw setups too ( lp,lp SPD etc.). After your comfortable with hitting those jump online. Actually just learn all those things i said except for the option select first then go online. It's honestly a waste of time going online with no knowledge, you won't be practicing shit, except button mashing

Online is allgood to practice. I don't know why people are saying don't practice online? Fuck them. Plus i hit my links all the time online. Oh actually the bad habits they were talking about were reckless play. But shit, your still learning. You learning that reckless gets you owned are you not?

But don't go fighting me just yet. Play someone a little lower level so you get time to actually think...and breath lol. After your doing pretty good (don't have to be beasting) i'll give you some games and help you out with some matchups.

Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: geneterror on July 05, 2010, 04:20:31 PM
I mix up online and offline. Honestly it's hard to avoid online, it's good for practcing new tricks etc. I would be fucked without online as I'm to busy these days and have to many responsibilities to be able to meet up with people all the time to get offline practice. Without online I don't think I would have picked up a fighting game this seriously again I don't have as much time to kill in Yifans all day now either..
I play online a few night's a week and try and play a good offline session once a week. Like Skullator said come along to Ranbats if you're in Auckland it's a good way to exchanges notes/ideas/strats and get some offline practice with some of the best out there in NZ. Also a good way to hang with a bunch of good cunts ;)

Yeah I'm out in Blockhouse Bay so definately keen to come and spectate. I'd make a fool of myself if I tried to compete at all hahahah.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 04:28:28 PM
Quote from: weazzyefff on July 05, 2010, 04:24:49 PM
Don't go online unless you can atleast hit that first combo i gave you consistently (c lp x3, c lk, ex GH). And practice some tick throw setups too ( lp,lp SPD etc.). After your comfortable with hitting those jump online. Actually just learn all those things i said except for the option select first then go online. It's honestly a waste of time going online with no knowledge, you won't be practicing shit, except button mashing

Online is allgood to practice. I don't know why people are saying don't practice online? Fuck them. Plus i hit my links all the time online. Oh actually the bad habits they were talking about were reckless play. But shit, your still learning. You learning that reckless gets you owned are you not?

But don't go fighting me just yet. Play someone a little lower level so you get time to actually think...and breath lol. After your doing pretty good (don't have to be beasting) i'll give you some games and help you out with some matchups.

Appreciate that man, I'll see how much I can progress then hit you up when I am little more comfortable. Haha I don't think I would last long at all against anyone that remotely knows what they are doing so I'll work at it.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: samurai black on July 05, 2010, 04:53:43 PM
Quote from: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 04:26:27 PM
I'd make a fool of myself if I tried to compete at all hahahah.

bro, doesnt stop me :D
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: electric on July 05, 2010, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: samurai black on July 05, 2010, 04:53:43 PM
bro, doesnt stop me from OCV'ing fools

This man speaks the truth
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 05, 2010, 05:36:43 PM
LOL! Fark RIchard ay. Wada beast.

Quote from: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 04:26:27 PM
Yeah I'm out in Blockhouse Bay so definately keen to come and spectate. I'd make a fool of myself if I tried to compete at all hahahah.

Yeah it's pretty mean. When i first went to a meet up, i was on pad. And i did alright. Me and Mason had the mean LOL Ryu mirrors. I didn't know anyone else could FADC cos i was playing noobs online at the time.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Rorooze on July 05, 2010, 07:31:27 PM
Quote from: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 04:26:27 PM
Yeah I'm out in Blockhouse Bay so definately keen to come and spectate. I'd make a fool of myself if I tried to compete at all hahahah.

Dont worry about losing bro, most of the guys are pretty good about giving you some tips after you play and you'll learn heaps from that!
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: DVS on July 05, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
Quote from: Rorooze on July 05, 2010, 07:31:27 PM
Dont worry about losing bro, most of the guys are pretty good about giving you some tips after you play and you'll learn heaps from that!

Losing is how you learn, when I first starting playing SF4 I got owned at Yifans everyday for like four months.......making the swap to the timing was really hard when I started out (played nuthin but SFA3 for years)........in fact from memory my first few vanilla games were against Andy and he was ruthless.....

Study fundamentals like characters normals (what beats out what and when), find out if your character can cross up (handy after a knock down), find out if your character has a good "GTF off me" move, watch out for throws and tech them and choose your moments carefully when you attack.......
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 11:17:54 PM
Hahaha I'm a bit pissed right now but reading your comments make me want to play. Though to be honest about all the SF I could crank right now would be fireball dragon punch cheese which I know wouldn't get me very far. :P How often do you all get on the piss and crank some mean games? That sounds like me :D
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on July 05, 2010, 11:25:07 PM
Quote from: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 11:17:54 PM
Hahaha I'm a bit pissed right now but reading your comments make me want to play. Though to be honest about all the SF I could crank right now would be fireball dragon punch cheese which I know wouldn't get me very far. :P How often do you all get on the piss and crank some mean games? That sounds like me :D

You and weazzy are going to be the best of friends.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 05, 2010, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: BIRRY WONG on July 05, 2010, 11:25:07 PM
You and weazzy are going to be the best of friends.

Super man cuddles? I hope that noone will hold my west auckland stz against me. :D

Edit: Ahh crap, vodka got the best of me, all them SF videos I been watching are down the tube lmao. :D Oh well, there's always tomorrow!
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on July 06, 2010, 12:08:30 AM
Super man cuddles are pretty much what the NZism community was built around.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 06, 2010, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: BIRRY WONG on July 06, 2010, 12:08:30 AM
Super man cuddles are pretty much what the NZism community was built around.

WHERE DO I SIGN UP?! Hahahaha you all seem like a bunch of good cunts :D Do ya party much? :o I have a couple sticks if anyone wants to come out and kick my ass and get on the piss :D Seems like most of you play on Xbox but I have 2 PS3 sticks if anyone is keen to show me how SF is done properly :P
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 12:24:22 AM
Party much? Bro i make the Stiffmeister look like Bill.

I'm down to get on the horse anytime mane. I'll help out your SF steez too, i'm just down the RD in Glen Eden.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 06, 2010, 12:27:17 AM
Hahaha I don't know how everyone partys around here, but I'm keen to get on it and crack some mean games :D Hahaha you help me with my SF and I'll pick you up and buy the beers to get wasted on. :P
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 12:36:46 AM
Quote from: Simulacrum on July 06, 2010, 12:27:17 AM
Hahaha I don't know how everyone partys around here, but I'm keen to get on it and crack some mean games :D Hahaha you help me with my SF and I'll pick you up and buy the beers to get wasted on. :P

Yeah! It's about time i get the acknowledgment for my work in the community. Preach! I'll PM you my no. for good times.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 06, 2010, 12:44:52 AM
Hahaha drinks on... I can apprediate that shit. :P TXT SENT! :D
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on July 06, 2010, 01:26:01 AM
Quote from: weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 12:24:22 AM
Party much? Bro i make the Stiffmeister look like Bill.

Motherfucker I could tell you insane party stories that would make you shit your damn pants.

Stiffmeister is a bitch.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 01:40:32 AM
Quote from: BIRRY WONG on July 06, 2010, 01:26:01 AM
Motherfucker I could tell you insane party stories that would make you shit your damn pants.

Stiffmeister is a bitch.

Insane bestiality stories ay Bill lol.

Nigga Stiffmeister my kin folk.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on July 06, 2010, 03:21:30 AM
Quote from: weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 01:40:32 AM
Insane bestiality stories ay Bill lol.

Look, if your mum is keen, and im hammered, im gonna go for it.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: CrazyMobius on July 06, 2010, 09:11:12 AM


From my experience the only difference between online and offline is the lag. And even then...
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: electric on July 06, 2010, 09:14:33 AM
Quote from: CrazyMobius on July 06, 2010, 09:11:12 AM
From my experience the only difference between online and offline is the lag. And even then...

Also, what I think Weazzy was getting at, is that sometimes the talent of STRICTLY online players isn't exactly amazing, so if you play enough of those people, you'll develop habits that work fine against them, but not against real competition.

Prime example: I played someone who thought that once they had U2 stocked with Abel, they'd do roll into ultra. Every. Single. Time... Those sorts of online gimmicks aren't reflective of what you'd find at a usual NZism meet up
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: CrazyMobius on July 06, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: electric on July 06, 2010, 09:14:33 AM
Also, what I think Weazzy was getting at, is that sometimes the talent of STRICTLY online players isn't exactly amazing, so if you play enough of those people, you'll develop habits that work fine against them, but not against real competition.

Prime example: I played someone who thought that once they had U2 stocked with Abel, they'd do roll into ultra. Every. Single. Time... Those sorts of online gimmicks aren't reflective of what you'd find at a usual NZism meet up

But if you played those same people offline you would develop exactly the same habits. It's all just a have.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: electric on July 06, 2010, 09:38:53 AM
Quote from: CrazyMobius on July 06, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
But if you played those same people offline you would develop exactly the same habits. It's all just a have.

Of course, but although the discussion is specifically termed "online vs offline", I think they're talking about "bad players vs. good players" - like you've said - online and offline are TECHNICALLY the same (except for slight lag differences), but the landscape of players (and therefore skill) is wider - which means you're more likely to run into someone who does roll, Ultra and thinks it's a great idea, since he's been beating so many other less skilled players with it.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: CrazyMobius on July 06, 2010, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: electric on July 06, 2010, 09:38:53 AM
Of course, but although the discussion is specifically termed "online vs offline", I think they're talking about "bad players vs. good players" - like you've said - online and offline are TECHNICALLY the same (except for slight lag differences), but the landscape of players (and therefore skill) is wider - which means you're more likely to run into someone who does roll, Ultra and thinks it's a great idea, since he's been beating so many other less skilled players with it.

So they should be saying. "I don't take matches with unskilled players seriously". Then this would cover them in both situations.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Lennysaurus on July 06, 2010, 12:52:42 PM
The difference  between online and offline is pretty basic dont you think?

Online has lag, offline generally doesn't (lol thats another debate that I dare not start.)  So online or laggy setups mean you have trouble reacting to alot of things e.g:
-Anti airs
-Crossups
-Punishing stuff
-Throw Teching

When people mention to be weary of playing online, they generally mean to try not to play people that abuse the above strategies in order to win.  For example:

If someone uses a move regularly that can be punished with a decent window.  A good example is Ken's light dragon punch.  Ken's light dragon punch is -14 frames on block, which is pretty bad.  Everyone in the game can punish that on block, however when you get online and play a random Flowchart Ken, you are gonna see alot of them do a random light shoryuken followed by another or a heavy dragon punch.  More often than not, online you will miss the punish and then eat the dragon punch, but offline it is a pretty easy punish.  So what you ask?  If you play against someone that abuses this tactic a couple of things could happen that may affect your overall game:

-You are gonna get into the habit of not punishing jab dragon punches and thus effecting your ability to get more damage and giving your opponent a psychological edge over you
-You're gonna get angry at this noob spammer which makes you annoyed at the game and effects your progress
-You're gonna start mashing everytime you see the jab dragon in order to punish which will put your timing out for offline

So the idea is that you stick to playing people that you know will play the same way the will on a lagless setup, even though you are online.  You don't have to avoid online play altogether as it can be a valuable tool for learning your zoning and spacing.  Just keep in mind that if you are relying on a tactic where your opponents reactions play a part in its success or fail, that you bare this in mind and remember that offline, it may not be as effective as you had originally thought.

This doesn't just apply to online.  As you all well know we have made the move to lagless setups for our tournaments, and that many people at home don't yet enjoy this luxury, and so may need to adjust their game slightly.  I go to yifan's alot more now that I am working in town, and have been trying to play on the setups they have down there which are pretty laggy.  I commonly find people that like to use very obvious throw setups which I have alot more trouble OS late teching due to the lag.  And while I fully endorse finding a flaw in your opponents gameplay and exploiting it, if these guys are planning to get into the tournament scene that we endorse, this style of play is gonna give them troubles.  It basically tells me that if they run out of options being able to deal damage to you by spacing you and keeping pressure on till you crack, that they will just try and tick throw you every single time they get close, which as we all know gets smashed by  OS options that you can use in SFIV.  In essence, they learn to rely on a bad habit.

Really its up to you.  If you're online and/or playing on laggy setups and all you want to get is the "W" next to your name or a few more BP and PP, then  by all means continue to enjoy the game the way you enjoy playing it.  If you want to become more competitve then perhaps it's time to stop just playing the game for the sake of playing it, but time to evaluate the strategy and tactics that bring you success and the environment that you use them in.

lol what a mega rant that is!  Anyway I wouldn't mind entertaining some intelligent discussion on this area.  I know Ben, Hue, Cody, and I were talking a fair bit about this on Friday night and they all had interesting stuff to say about similar topics.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 01:14:06 PM
Nah man, online in this games gets my respect. Just don't play noobs. I never get into bad habits, cos i never start them in the first place.

Links are no problem. And i'm more of a visual cue guy too. I just don't know if it has affected my offline gameplay as i only play against my friends which are free to body awwlllll day.

I think i'm just used to it though as i always play online. And the other day i was playing Ben who told me to stop throwing. It's in Bison's game to tec throw against boxer cos of s lp properties let you get in for mixups/THROWS because he's mashing the good old fuck off jab. Even though... I show respect and try not throw, but then my whole game shut down and all i was doing was practicing block strings thinking fuck, this is way to predictable for my gameplay.

I tech throws consistent as fuck online, and people on psn know that shit. I once teched like 30 throws in one game against Imagneto's Akuma when i was Sim. Not missing one throw. Again, maybe i'm used to it. Or maybe i'm just mashing tech in between block strings cos i'm not a lag psychic player either.

That thing about Juri's pinwheel is somewhat on my mind though. But i have to test it in a real offline game, or actually a bunch of them.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Skullator on July 06, 2010, 01:22:35 PM
Quote from: weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 01:14:06 PM
Nah man, online in this games gets my respect. Just don't play noobs. I never get into bad habits, cos i never start them in the first place.

Says mr double pause at nationals rofl!

If you havn't turned up to Aucklands recent lag free events (That means not only online lag... but MONITOR free lag) you can't even fathom how bad playing online can break your throw tech timing along with other things.

I for one have proven to myself that I do fall into terrible habbits if I play bad people online for too long.
And if you play online, you have to pre-imput, it's that simple.

Having said all that, I still love online play and believe it is a tool which can and should be used to greatly improve your MATCHUP KNOWLEDGE.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on July 06, 2010, 01:31:12 PM
Quote from: weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 01:14:06 PM
Nah man, online in this games gets my respect. Just don't play noobs. I never get into bad habits, cos i never start them in the first place.

Links are no problem. And i'm more of a visual cue guy too. I just don't know if it has affected my offline gameplay as i only play against my friends which are free to body awwlllll day.

I think i'm just used to it though as i always play online. And the other day i was playing Ben who told me to stop throwing. It's in Bison's game to tec throw against boxer cos of s lp properties let you get in for mixups/THROWS because he's mashing the good old fuck off jab. Even though... I show respect and try not throw, but then my whole game shut down and all i was doing was practicing block strings thinking fuck, this is way to predictable for my gameplay.

I tech throws consistent as fuck online, and people on psn know that shit. I once teched like 30 throws in one game against Imagneto's Akuma when i was Sim. Not missing one throw. Again, maybe i'm used to it. Or maybe i'm just mashing tech in between block strings cos i'm not a lag psychic player either.

That thing about Juri's pinwheel is somewhat on my mind though. But i have to test it in a real offline game, or actually a bunch of them.

Your link timing will be out when you play offline on a lagless setup. ESPECIALLY if you use visual cues.

Teching throws online is great, but offline, if you go to tech a throw using the same timing, you will do it too early and miss your tech.

Additionally, Ben told you not to throw, because offline, your throw setups will get raped by someone that is used to playing a reactionary game instead of being preemptive like online.

You say you dont get into bad habits, but given everything you just said, unfortunately it shows that you are already have them.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [8-----D] Toots on July 06, 2010, 01:33:35 PM
No offence weazzy but your throw and anti throw mix ups were quite obvious. You often did c.lp s.lp walk up throw which you didnt mixup with a standing roundhouse or sometthing to bait the tech throw attempt. You did do some anti throw tech stuff like c.lk x2 pause c.lk xx scissors but there wasnt enough variance between them to make me confused as to what you trying to do. It was a simple matter of lag meaning I couldnt late tech the throws.

I also noticed you wake up throw a lot which is a real bad habit imo. You get nothing from doing it but risk soo much. Ex psycho isnt safe against boxer which I think you started to learn so guess thats more of a lack of knowledge than bad habit.

You jump alot too and tend to do alot of reversal type moves whenever you get put on defense.

These traits are pretty common with online players.

Not hating either weazzy cos you do some real good shit too but I think you might not realise how much stuff you get away with because of online. 
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 01:47:03 PM
Yeah i know. That's why i asked you for Boxer practice and that's why i said sorry about the throwing i was trying to get used to his s lp tic throw mixup. I onlt use that on Boxer cos it's all the advice i got on SRK that i didn't know and am still having trouble with him. But after you told me stop throwing i went all wack. It was gonna be predictable no matter what after that cos ummm... i couldn't throw lol.

And the wakeup throw thing was just me falling for your meaty shit. If you just walked up and threw me you would've been like waking up blocking is bad habit too. The Neutral jump made me wana hang myself though as it's the first time someones caught me with that shit in a long time.

Oh well. Bill you wank , what bad habits did you get from my post lol? Teching imags millions of throws oh so nawty.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [8-----D] Toots on July 06, 2010, 01:53:08 PM
Ahh yup I guess that would make you go Huhh???? haha
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on July 06, 2010, 02:00:24 PM
The throw teching is just an example of how the timing is effecting you.

'Bad habits' probably isnt the best term for it on my part. Im just saying, when you inevitably play on an offline setup, you will find a lot of the stuff that works heaps online (your links, the timing for your techs, tick-throw setups etc.) is going to be considerably less effective.

Im essentially saying what Ben said to you, but in a snobbier way.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: Toomeke on July 06, 2010, 01:53:08 PM
Ahh yup I guess that would make you go Huhh???? haha
Yea preetty much. I'm still a bit lost against him ay. Damn Sagat got me into a bad habit if you ask me - thinking boxer was free lol.

The thing that really fucks me off is when i cross him up then get in ONE jab and now he's too far away for anything. That right there is balls. And SRK don't even mention it. They tell you to tic throw mix up with ambig cross up, but how when one jab is enough to push him to safety lmfao. It's only some crossups though but it always happens on my most ambig ones , so really pisses me off.

And about the ex PC. I wasn't sure if could get punished so was trying it. And yes it hurt...hurt real bad.... no more EX PC make weazal sad.

Another reason why i need boxer practice. Which sucks cos the only one on psn right for the job right now is a 'no throws' ragequiter lol.

And Bill , you essentially said what i said.

Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on July 06, 2010, 02:35:52 PM
Essentially, all goods.

Its just this sentence:

Quote from: weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 01:14:06 PM
I never get into bad habits, cos i never start them in the first place.

Conflicted heavily with this paragraph:

Quote from: weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 01:14:06 PM
I think i'm just used to it though as i always play online. And the other day i was playing Ben who told me to stop throwing. It's in Bison's game to tec throw against boxer cos of s lp properties let you get in for mixups/THROWS because he's mashing the good old fuck off jab. Even though... I show respect and try not throw, but then my whole game shut down and all i was doing was practicing block strings thinking fuck, this is way to predictable for my gameplay.

Leaving me wondering wtf you thought you meant.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: HoneyBadger on July 06, 2010, 02:38:05 PM
Nigga, do cr. jab then standing short x2, works like a beast.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 03:41:50 PM
WTF Bill that paragraph has nothing to do with bad habits. It's a well known mix up/ strategy for Boxer you tard.

I think you should've read this

Quote from: weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 01:14:06 PM
I just don't know if it has affected my offline gameplay as i only play against my friends which are free to body awwlllll day.

I think i'm just used to it though as i always play online.

Again, maybe i'm used to it. Or maybe i'm just mashing tech in between block strings cos i'm not a lag psychic player either.

That thing about Juri's pinwheel is somewhat on my mind though. But i have to test it in a real offline game, or actually a bunch of them.

What i meant was what i said. I didn't use any big words or anything.

So ESSENTIALLY you DID mean what i said. Am i right? Orrrrrr nah?

Quote from: OLEET on July 06, 2010, 02:38:05 PM
Nigga, do cr. jab then standing short x2, works like a beast.

LOL ! Nigga st jab owns cr jab, and mk better for os bait. Nigga I AM M.WEAZAL!!!
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: HoneyBadger on July 06, 2010, 04:12:37 PM
Bro Ben mashes jab hard aye then he always complains about mashers  ::) lol scrub.

To prove yourself MBM UBM match at nats.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [8-----D] Toots on July 06, 2010, 04:17:36 PM
Quote from: OLEET on July 06, 2010, 04:12:37 PM
Bro Ben mashes jab hard aye then he always complains about mashers  ::) lol scrub.

To prove yourself MBM UBM match at nats.

>:( >:( >:( >:(

FUK YOUR A SCRUB SMOOF

I'll UBM you! Large that shit with extra Wicked Wings on the side!!!

I'M REALLY ANGRY

>:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 04:18:45 PM
Quote from: OLEET on July 06, 2010, 04:12:37 PM
Bro Ben mashes jab hard aye then he always complains about mashers  ::) lol scrub.

To prove yourself MBM UBM match at nats.

Mash jab is genius. I respect that.

Fuck you and your abbreviations caant. I don't need to prove shit. From the great Jet Li's mouth 'I am nobody bitch, YOU are my bitch'.

Also Dan sorry for turning your intro thread into FREINDLY arguing. But the man rung me up pretty quick ay lol. I wish the chicks on facebook would ring back that quick. You keen on getting on the piss tonight man flick us a txt. I'll probably get some credit soon. 
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: HoneyBadger on July 06, 2010, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: Toomeke on July 06, 2010, 04:17:36 PM
>:( >:( >:( >:(

FUK YOUR A SCRUB SMOOF

I'll UBM you! Large that shit with extra Wicked Wings on the side!!!

I'M REALLY ANGRY

>:( >:( >:( >:(

LOSER SWAPS PNG FOR COLESLAW AND ORIGINAL RECIPE INSTEAD OF WW. BURGER HAS TO BE ORIGINAL RECIPE FILLET THE MOST BORING BURGER EVER
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on July 06, 2010, 06:45:56 PM
I read that paragraph as well weazzy. Enthralling stuff. Good to see you have SOME grasp of the situation

But the paragraph in question was describing you falling into a BAD HABIT (throwing lots) which conflicted with you saying you dont start bad habits at all. Paradox there buddy.

Essentially a paradox anyway.

Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 07:47:46 PM
Hmm what? Teching? yes. Throwing? Of course, rage quitting comments don't make me change my whole play style. You trying to argue with me over nothing is what it is. What ever you do with your game do it. Thanks for your opinion but no thanks.

I kinda starting trusting my own opinions alot more when i saw Ben and Andy's comments on what to do to punish Juri's lk PW. Especially Andy's sweep punish, he's either stalling, or that shit is weak mane.

Anyway i thought someone was gonna say that after i posted it, and was gonna edit it. BUT i thought nah they know i don't mean MINDLESSLY mashing throw like a brainless drone. BUT looking for it cos that's ALL you really have to look for in this game faarrkk. GOSH is it that hard?

I respect you and Ben. Alot more than you's obviously respect me, at least not enough to have a win or a dozen! Farrk.




Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on July 06, 2010, 08:00:09 PM
Im not saying you dont understand anything, im also not bashing your gameplay. I got respect for you as well cuz.

Im bashing the fact that two things you said in the same post contradict each other. You said you dont fall into bad habits, then you described what was essentially a bad habit. One that was particularly exploitable in an offline scenario.

The REASON I did this, is because you weren't sure how you being used to online timing was affecting your offline play, so i drew attention to something that you should be aware of next time you play offline, so you can suss that shit out accordingly, adapt faster, and start destroying cunts in more legit competitive scenarios.

BIRRY WONG is only trying to help. He's just doing it with a (wordy) Iron Fist.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 08:23:28 PM
Quote from: BIRRY WONG on July 06, 2010, 08:00:09 PM

The REASON I did this, is because you weren't sure how you being used to online timing was affecting your offline play, so i drew attention to something that you should be aware of next time you play offline, so you can suss that shit out accordingly, adapt faster, and start destroying cunts in more legit competitive scenarios.

Oh yeah i got fucking confused. You quote the wrong shit then, my 'bad habbits' down a bit according to you is my gameplay against boxer with tic throws/ mix ups. Don't get what's so bad about that, and i'm really trying to figure it out as well. Boxer always tic throw. You gonna say ' Yeah nigga do that shit, it not gonna work offline though , hahahahahaha fool'.



I don't mean to sound like a cock, it might be that my brain isn't as evolved as yours. Yeah honestly i do feel a bit lost, just had a phat blaze and now i'm getting mind fucked. You suit your main.

Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on July 06, 2010, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 08:23:28 PM
Oh yeah i got fucking confused. You quote the wrong shit then, my 'bad habbits' down a bit according to you is my gameplay against boxer with tic throws/ mix ups. Don't get what's so bad about that, and i'm really trying to figure it out as well. Boxer always tic throw. You gonna say ' Yeah nigga do that shit, it not gonna work offline though , hahahahahaha fool'.



I don't mean to sound like a cock, it might be that my brain isn't as evolved as yours. Yeah honestly i do feel a bit lost, just had a phat blaze and now i'm getting mind fucked. You suit your main.

I think that is the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.

<3 <3 <3
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 10:58:09 PM
LOL! Shit did i say that? Man i gotta lay off the kush.

I meant to say my brain is way too evolved and your comments are not worthy of my oppinion.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: geneterror on July 07, 2010, 08:17:38 AM
Hahaha!
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 07, 2010, 09:18:10 AM
Quote from: weazzyefff on July 06, 2010, 04:18:45 PM
Mash jab is genius. I respect that.

Fuck you and your abbreviations caant. I don't need to prove shit. From the great Jet Li's mouth 'I am nobody bitch, YOU are my bitch'.

Also Dan sorry for turning your intro thread into FREINDLY arguing. But the man rung me up pretty quick ay lol. I wish the chicks on facebook would ring back that quick. You keen on getting on the piss tonight man flick us a txt. I'll probably get some credit soon.

Haha man I was wasted as when I rang talking shit! Keen whenever mate lmao, not too worried about the thread. It's all an interesting read anyway.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 19, 2010, 11:55:03 AM
Hahaha had Dan come over in the weekend and destroy me on SSF4, was good times mate even thought you kicked my ass! I have a long way to go. Cheers for the games :D
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: wong on July 19, 2010, 12:23:11 PM
Some many tekken players on this forum.
If you live in Auckland I can give you a few games at TZ.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 19, 2010, 12:34:11 PM
I'd definately be keen for some T6, I have been playing a little bit but still pretty noob. At the moment I can only really use King so if anyone has some tips for him that would be awesome. :D
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: wong on July 19, 2010, 06:09:56 PM
learn iSW :)
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 19, 2010, 09:53:18 PM
Instantly Smoking weed, instantly smacking whores or instantly skulling whiskey.

Yeah man those were some gg's Dan. But better fucking drinking sessions lol. Hard man, start learning that shit i told you bro. So we can get some mean training sessions.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 20, 2010, 09:24:37 AM
Hahaha good time getting wasted :D I am waiting for my SSF4 to arrive then I will be practicing hard. Just working on my T6 at the moment but still pretty crap. D:

Have to get back on it soon and crank some more games :D
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: ShaunO on July 20, 2010, 06:13:01 PM
I wasted you noobs.
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 20, 2010, 06:42:13 PM
LOL wasted us at getting blazed lol.

Bro woulda been mean if Ben or Smoof came. Maybe we should get some serious sessions out West before the tournament.

Mason

Smoof

Ben

Lenny

I'm looking at you's man, lets get something sorted ay, West unite!!
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: wong on July 20, 2010, 09:07:07 PM
I'm a westie aswell!
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on July 21, 2010, 09:06:50 AM
Haha we should defiantely get something organised then! Defiantely keen to get something cranking. Good to see you on the forums Shaun :D
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: green.starfish on August 25, 2010, 06:31:36 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Player
Post by: Simulacrum on August 27, 2010, 07:16:58 PM
:D!