Heard this talked about at Nats..
Don't want to open a can of worms (searched around here a little and it seems to be one) but what
do i need to get?
How was it known the ones at Giga were lag free? Easy way to test them?
Are there certain models known to be lag free?
Would prob rather an LCD (for space) than CRT. My xbox is on our big bulky CRT now but eh.
Don't mind spending a few hundred or whatever.. What are the good ones worth? $4-500 or way off?
Not looking for a giant one. My 27" iMac as reference would be WAY overkill. 21" or 24" or something maybe?
So if there's known models etc that i can be linked to, that would be MOST excellent.
Also if i need to get some specific cable to connect my xbox to it, please let me know.
Sorry for the newbness.
Thanksss!
When I get home I'll try link you to a couple. The fast panels also tend to be cheap, you're probably looking $300-$400
CRT's are the way man, i think they are the safest bet out of everything (flatscreen vs tube)and they are massive and awesome lol
you will never find a hd monitor that is 100% lag free but here is a link to the best models on offer.
http://www.ozhadou.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=5069
i just bought me the benQ G2420HD waiting for it to arrive, the lag apparently is less than 1 frame so its not noticeable.
Quote from: fluxcore on September 02, 2010, 03:56:52 PM
When I get home I'll try link you to a couple. The fast panels also tend to be cheap, you're probably looking $300-$400
Thanks Alan!!
Quote from: martinizzle on September 02, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
you will never find a hd monitor that is 100% lag free but here is a link to the best models on offer.
http://www.ozhadou.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=5069
i just bought me the benQ G2420HD waiting for it to arrive, the lag apparently is less than 1 frame so its not noticeable.
Where did you get it from and how much is it?
Thanks for your help! :)
Speaking of lag-free. Played at yiffans again todday. Made me a sad panda. Got tick thrown alot.
Stupid lag.
i got mine from trademe $270 but i think you can get them brand new for around $330 dunno if that includes shipping and how reliable the websites are.
http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=457017
I would only believe the posts in that OzHadou thread that actually link to a thorough test showing side by side comparisons to a CRT. It's very easy for someone to just say "yeah this monitor doesn't lag" - as evidenced by a bunch of retarded threads around here not too long ago. Unless I see actual stats, I'm not going to believe it.
With that in mind, the BenQ monitors (E2200HD, E2400HD, G2420) referenced in that thread I do know to be about as good as you can get.
I would recommend a BenQ.
http://www.staticice.co.nz/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=benq%20G2420&pos=5
Quote from: martinizzle on September 02, 2010, 04:50:02 PM...the lag apparently is less than 1 frame so its not noticeable.
Like, zero frames?
Quote from: stereomonkey on September 02, 2010, 05:49:10 PM
Like, zero frames?
they measure it in milliseconds (I think) not in frames. so it lags a couple milliseconds but not a full frame.
Quote from: martinizzle on September 02, 2010, 05:53:29 PM
they measure it in milliseconds (I think) not in frames. so it lags a couple milliseconds but not a full frame.
Theres like 16 and i little bit milliseconds in a frame. So if it lags less than 16 they consider it less than a frame I guess stu.
My setup at home is between 8 and 12 iirc from testing it the last time, with the odd spike to 18. I just use that now.
i need to get one of those vga cables when i can be bothered i got a BENQ2220HD which im guessing should be the same as the BENQ2420HD?
except mines 22' where that one is 24'
Quote from: [FSR] kingpiccolo on September 03, 2010, 12:55:30 AM
i need to get one of those vga cables when i can be bothered i got a BENQ2220HD which im guessing should be the same as the BENQ2420HD?
except mines 22' where that one is 24'
That monitor should have HDMI? Just use that...
But yeah, 2220HD *should* have very low input delay, I'd be surprised if it didn't, but can't find any solid evidence.
white we are on this topic for setups.
I'm using the Assus VW246H as some of you may know on my xbox via VGA.
I have setup my xbox to use 1280x720 for SSF4, I am not very good with these so want to know if my monitor is using the correct resolution? are there suppose to be black bars on the sides? coz it seems my image is a bit streched? not sure to be honest...it might just be me. I was trying to change the display mode using the aspect control but it was greyed out, but when I change the resolution from the xbox, the aspect control function was available? so not quite sure how this works.
hope someone can help clarify :)
cheeers.
Here is its specs:
•ASUS VW246H Widescreen LCD Monitor: 16:10 wide screen with 1920×1080 resolution supports Full HD 1080p vision.
•Embedded HDMI simplifies cabling and provides the highest-quality video and audio experience.
•Pristine and stunning clarity of HD DVD and Blu-ray Discs.
•Great for both video games and HD DVD movies playback.
Advanced Video Technologies for Exceptional Visuals
ASCR (ASUS Smart Contrast Ratio) Technology automatically adjusts the luminance of the backlight for better displays according to the image contents, and improves the contrast ratio to 20000:1 - resulting in more realistic depictions of night scenes during games or movies.
Trace Free Technology delivers 2ms quick response time (gray-to-gray) for smooth video display and gaming without ghosting.
Aspect Control function allows users to select a preferred display mode among Full and 4:3 for true-to-life Full HD 1080p gaming or movie watching without any data loss or image distortion.
Quote from: zosla on September 03, 2010, 08:51:42 AM
•ASUS VW246H Widescreen LCD Monitor: 16:10 wide screen with 1920×1080 resolution supports Full HD 1080p vision.
Shouldn't 1920x1080 be 16:9 not 16:10?
I think 16:10 would be 1920x1200 (staying around those numbers)
Maybe thats causing your stretching?
1080p or 720p (like you said you use for SSF4) are both 16:9 which isn't as wide as
16:10 if that's what your monitor is.
Beyond that, i'm clueless.
Im not entirely sure as some sites say its 16:10 and some says its 16:9...
:(
If the resolution is 1920 x 1080 then its 16:9. If this is the case, and youre displaying it at 1280:720 then it should be displaying the image fine, assuming your monitor is using its default display settings.
Your monitor supports 1080p but it is a 16:10 monitor which is why you are getting the black bars. The black bars are there to crop the image into a 16:9 ratio. If you get rid of the black bars your image will look stretched.
nope I am not getting black bars :D
I havent change the monitor settings at all... was plug and play.
its a 24 inch and It is 1920x1080 so then I believe its 16:9?
My xbox is setup to 1280x720, I think it looks okay but not sure if i am setting it up correctly...
It should look fine.
Quote from: [FSR] kingpiccolo on September 03, 2010, 12:55:30 AM
i need to get one of those vga cables when i can be bothered i got a BENQ2220HD which im guessing should be the same as the BENQ2420HD?
except mines 22' where that one is 24'
I think I'm gonna regret saying this.
You can probably go with an HDMI cable instead of a VGA cable. By the looks of it the BenQ monitors above perform well under HDMI.
The reason we're set on using the VGA cables at Giga is because we originally used big LCD screens which were terrible without the VGA (the VGA skips the monitors post processing). When we swapped to the Asus LCD monitors we didn't have HDMI cables present to test the monitors for lag, nor did we have a PC capable of outputting HDMI to do the lag tests, so we stuck with VGA. The results were good, and now that we've verified the monitors using VGA we stick with what we know.
Quote from: Rorooze on September 03, 2010, 12:02:06 PM
You can probably go with an HDMI cable instead of a VGA cable. By the looks of it the BenQ monitors above perform well under HDMI.
I completely agree.
From what I think was linked somewhere from SRK, HDMI was proved to be no laggier than VGA. And it does look better which is a plus.
Now I just need those bastards to make a 32" panel so I can begin my project!
Quote from: massi4h on September 03, 2010, 01:16:51 PM
From what I think was linked somewhere from SRK, HDMI was proved to be no laggier than VGA. And it does look better which is a plus.
For which monitors? The BenQ ones, or all monitors? :p
I thought they proved it for all monitors, but I don't know shit about this stuff so I'll just stfu.
Actually I think you're right...
My VW246H Assus feels the same using VGA and HDMI... anyways I also dunno shit about this so I should prolly STFU too!!~~
www.prad.de and www.digitalversus.com have done some test on input lags on some models.
Well, i just got a BENQ2420HD..
I ended up getting a VGA cable from my flatmate at JB cause Lenny said it's prob safer.
Good to know HDMI is probably okay too.. But the VGA looks good enough for me.
For now at least. :P
One last thing, do i need the monitor in a specific mode? I think i read the least amount of
lag is in the "dynamic" mode???
Thanks all! :)
VGA is pants.
I *think* you want it in Dynamic, but am not certain.
Quote from: fluxcore on September 04, 2010, 08:27:32 AM
VGA is pants.
Is that good or bad?
Cause the voice over guy at the end of letterman sometimes says "Pants are good" so.. :P
bad
badmeaninggood? no
Oh god. I dont like where this is going.
VGA is FINE.
DVI or HDMI is better. Why use something worse if you don't have to?
Bump. D:
Looking at picking up this: http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=13995 - ASUS VE246H, can't seem to find a BenQ panel in stock in Auckland that has been verified as lag free. This is the newer/larger version of the monitors we use at ranbats, anyone know if it's alright? I did a google search but couldn't find anything on this one :/
Not willing to go less than a 24 inch, can't find a 27 inch lag free and the 30 inch lag free monitors are too expensive :/ I'd get a CRT but I can't fit it at my place :(
Yo,
I got the other verson fo that monitor, VW246H? and it was proven lag free.
I Also seen that monitor of ur's in the link, its smilar, both uses TFT TN Panel which are great for gaming when it comes to lag free.
Though I'll it to leave it for the more expert facts :)
I'll also liek to add that my monitor is made for gaming and your one is more economical.
Here is both monitor in comparasion:
http://www.all-monitors.com/compares/asus_ve246h_vs_asus_vw246h
http://www.panasonic.co.nz/viera/lcds/th-l32x20z.html - lag free 32" TV
If you're looking for a computer panel, make sure it's either a TN (best) or IPS (still awesome) panel type - from what I could google, that ASUS one you linked to isn't either, so it might not be lag free, but the chances are pretty good since it's 24" and under... which from memory, anything over that size tends to be expensive (like you mentioned) or of a shitty panel type which lags like a mofo (PVA)
Very hard to say definitely, but chances are it's fine. Seems to be the Economical version of the monitor, probably just means the backlights and whatnot are a bit different - panel is probably the same.
Quote from: electric on December 02, 2010, 01:58:59 PM
http://www.panasonic.co.nz/viera/lcds/th-l32x20z.html - lag free 32" TV
Which truck do these come in on. Going to go make when fall off the back if you know what I mean... But whats the price on them?
It was the one I was telling you about a little while ago that Wilks said he could get through work for a bit cheaper than retail, but here's what they're currently going for in the shops: http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=614213
Might get those or some 24" for the cab Im building.
Those 32 inch screens are input lag free? MF'er. Really? I can't find any evidence saying that they are.
It's the NZ equivalent of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN-ktFollVs
IPS panels are the bizzy
whoa, true.
Looks like I found a screen then. Can't really afford that right at the moment though. hmmmm.
720p only... (not that that is a problem for ps3 users haw haw haw)
As for IPS... for gaming they generally are NOT the bizzy.
confused? it says on the spec sheet
1125 (1080)/60p (HDMI only)
1080i =/= 1080p
Ok lemme get this right
from the spec sheet
Full HD
1125 (1080)/50i
1125 (1080)/60i
1125 (1080)/24p (HDMI only)
1125 (1080)/50p (HDMI only)
1125 (1080)/60p (HDMI only)
are the last three entries not 1080p at 24,50,60 hz? or is there some TV lingo i'm missing here?
This is a far more important spec to consider:
Number of Pixels: 1,366 x 768
True, scrap that idea then.
:< Back to the asus methinks.
Yeah, bit of a case of "too good to be true" (big, reasonably priced IPS panel that's somehow fast AND also 1080p)
Yeah, I should have mentioned it only does 720p, but that's a good thing if you're only going to be using it for SF4 since that's the native resolution it runs at.
And from what I understand, TN > IPS > PVA. The benefit of IPS over TN in larger panels is price.
MVC3 is gonna be 1080p so no point buying a 720p monitor, otherwise yeah it'd be fine for SSF4. Grrr. Looks like the Asus is gonna win. Might pick it up this weekend, then just gotta do a lag test. hm
Rory, can you help me lag test mine one time? Just for piece of mind really.
After speaking with you on Facebook, I am glad to hear you have resolved your issue by buying a BenQ 24" model.
You have a PC monitor, not a television. The entire lag shitstorm, simply does not apply to you because you won't even feel it :)
Congratulations, good purchase.
Speaking from the P.O.V of the person who has done the closest to factual lag testing out of anybody here, and somebody who actually owns the S-video CRT + HD Graphics card + the cables required to attempt a true test.
If you wanted to do a test to see how close yours is the the giga monitors, Rory could help you with that.
Man I wish there were seminars on this type of thing. :/
Well, do you actually need to understand the issues? For the vast majority it's probably better just to get a "buy this monitor" response.
Quote from: Skullator on December 05, 2010, 01:09:12 PM
After speaking with you on Facebook, I am glad to hear you have resolved your issue by buying a BenQ 24" model.
Thanks, although i did buy it back in Sept after the recommendations here so i haven't worried about it since then. :P
Just thought IF i could check it, i would be interested. :)
just a heads up im probably going to get a benq E2400HD
review here
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1363906
best monitor i could find so far for no to less than 1 frame of lag
That's the 24" version of the monitor I got for my arcade cabinet. No complaints here.
I can't find that monitor in NZ :< I was looking at getting it but want to get something local incase I get dead pixels or some shit.
Im also looking for a screen like this. But I cannot find one in NZ
The 22" version is available if you can stoop to that, but BenQ make some other very good low-input delay monitors too...
I watched trade me for about 2 days and got my G2420HD from someone basically untouched still in the box.
When i'm on the hunt for something, i stalk trade me every 10 mins checking latest listings, if what i want comes
up at a fair price i hit the buy now so generally no one else even saw the listing. I make sure its local so i can
take cash to the person and check out the unit properly before handing over money.
If you have the patience and time to do it, you can get some killer stuff for cheap. :)
And by patience i mean when the 3G iphone first came out i got 2 of them brand new from separate listings
for $500 less than stores but it took about 3-4 weeks of stalking. Haha
Quote from: CaptainHook on December 13, 2010, 08:48:15 AM
I watched trade me for about 2 days and got my G2420HD from someone basically untouched still in the box.
When i'm on the hunt for something, i stalk trade me every 10 mins checking latest listings, if what i want comes
up at a fair price i hit the buy now so generally no one else even saw the listing. I make sure its local so i can
take cash to the person and check out the unit properly before handing over money.
If you have the patience and time to do it, you can get some killer stuff for cheap. :)
And by patience i mean when the 3G iphone first came out i got 2 of them brand new from separate listings
for $500 less than stores but it took about 3-4 weeks of stalking. Haha
So how is it? I'm actually in the market for a new monitor, but I can't find out much on this model, besides someone in Japanese saying "approximately 1-3 frames".
Also I can only seem to find one (and I mean ONE) for sale, for $388.
Quote from: Elixir on December 13, 2010, 01:19:25 PM
So how is it? I'm actually in the market for a new monitor, but I can't find out much on this model, besides someone in Japanese saying "approximately 1-3 frames".
Also I can only seem to find one (and I mean ONE) for sale, for $388.
less than 1 frame i think, want it set to sRGB g2420 equivalent of game mode
if your on xbox set your setting to
In the 'system settings' section on your Xbox there is a resolution option in display settings. Set to 1080p. One strength of the Xbox is that it supports hardware upscaling whereas the PS3 doesn't for the vast majority of games. Unfortunately this includes SSFIV which is locked at 720p on the PS3 so any screen that has a native resolution of 1080p is forced to rescale right off the bat which introduces lag.
Its for this reason that anyone looking to minimise lag on the PS3 (that plays SSFIV) might want to consider a 720p native screen. Both Asus and BenQ offer fantastic screens however that handle the rescaling of 720p signals to their native 1080p quite well though.
BenQ G2420HD
Dynamic setting - average = 4.9130434782608695652173913043478ms
sRGB setting - average = 3.9565217391304347826086956521739ms (Best option)
Normal setting - average = 5.7916666666666666666666666666667ms
http://www.ozhadou.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=5069
http://www.ozhadou.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=5523
The crux of this entire thing is this: do a lag test to check your monitor, test it under the conditions you'll be using it. if it's sweet then all good, if not and you wanna be lag free, get a different monitor.
Now back to the point, anyone know of any 24 inch LCD screens with less than a frame of lag available in NZ? 1080p required, speakers would be nice but not essential. HDMI or VGA, I don't give a hoot.
Quote from: Rorooze on December 13, 2010, 02:37:11 PMThe crux of this entire thing is this: do a lag test to check your monitor, test it under the conditions you'll be using it. if it's sweet then all good, if not and you wanna be lag free, get a different monitor.
I think the point of this thread is to circumvent this step entirely, as in, digging through the "reliant of other users" part - otherwise, you're testing it yourself. This would be good if I didn't have to buy a monitor, test it, and then either 1) return it (lol, returning shit in NZ) or 2) stick with it.
If it's the case of purchasing a monitor from abroad, it's even more time consuming and risky.
The G2420HD seems promising, but like I said, I can't find it available to buy locally. It was apparently on sale for $200 AUD shipped in Australia, in the middle of last year (http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/18078) though.
Thread locked until I decide whether to delete the whole damn thing or not, and mod the hell out of any further laggy monitor discussion.