i know for tournaments etc with the left over money its goes towards prizes , prize money etc , but seeing as japanese players are turning up to tournaments all over the place , how bout we try something different and try and get someone like alex valle to come down to the nationals etc .
obviously it would cost shitloads , but this could be a good thing for our scene and drum up abit more interest ?
maybe run some tourneys during the year with a larger entrance fee with money going towards plane tickets to get him or someone else here , maybe even for next year ?
pretty much i think valle is the man , and itd be something different and could intice alot of the aussie guys to come over for a chance to play him also . showing sponsors etc whos coming , what hes done etc could maybe also drum up some money that way to get him or someone else here
anyways been painting my house all week , and the fumes may have shrunk my brain but i still think this'd be a awesome vent to maybe think about
peace . 8)
Its definitely a good Idea mate, I actually told them to increase the entry fee and save that up for our own equipments, prize money for national (item) or something like what u mentioned. But had been reject since they want to keep the entry fee to the lowest possible.
Anyways, its really up to what the other thinks about it, jus tmy 2 cents hoho.
But If we are to do this, we can try and team up with teh autralians, say for example.
They have teh OH9 or OH10 can't remember during Jury 19-21 (example) we can do it the following week, hence when they invite say the likes of Valle or Daigo, Tokido or whoever, we can get them to make around trip over here, hence saving cost :)
just an idea lol....
I'd be all for that, even if it was an Aussie like Humanbomb or Toxy.
I've been thinking about something like this to, I would even be happy to volunteer my skills to design shirts/hoodies that we could sell to raise money. Of course I would need to finish the NZism logo Alan asked me to look at ages ago but I have actually been working on it and I'm nearly ready to send Alan some stuff.
What the AU people did was keep a low entrance fee and have people that wanted to contribute to the 'international player fund' do donations.
In the end it works out the same without screwing over newer/lesser skilled people. If you care about not doing that.
a donation fund would be sweet , id happy chuck in $100 to go towards getting someone here .
Would donate!
Also combining it with or timing it around an Aussie event is a good idea. This is how some of my friends manage to get smaller punk/hardcore/metal bands that would never get NZ to come over here by adding a NZ date onto the tour.
Quote from: [NIUE] B1ackstar Ninja on January 14, 2011, 03:00:17 PM
a donation fund would be sweet , id happy chuck in $100 to go towards getting someone here .
lol considering you were planning to spend ~$1200 just to see daigo in AU, I should hope so! :)
I'd instead just money match Alex Valle so he can make $100 that way.
Quote from: massi4h on January 14, 2011, 03:17:27 PM
I'd instead just money match Alex Valle so he can make $100 that way.
how you gunna money match him , if we cant afford to get him here first????
:D
You have to remember Valle mite say no because of many reasons.
lol I dunno but if 20 people wanna MM him for $100 there's 2 grand already lol.
Quote from: massi4h on January 14, 2011, 03:25:30 PM
lol I dunno but if 20 people wanna MM him for $100 there's 2 grand already lol.
20 giving 100 each. That hard for a country and a hardcore scene so small.
And mvc3 coming soon also AE just came out. You think Valle will say in CAL to practice for tounrys and evo2011.
Awesome idea bro was thinking the same thing and valle would have been first choice for me also.
Quote from: jpb123 on January 14, 2011, 03:24:24 PM
You have to remember Valle mite say no because of many reasons.
You have to remember Valle might say yes because of many reasons
Hahaha Valle would've been my first choice too. I'd love to get in a few games of ST against him just to get a hiding lol
nah, i think we should send team NIUE over to whatever international event instead :P
we cant promise to win anything but everything we enter will be hype haha
Jakkk g. Duno about the 5th Ryu in the world. Lets get Daigo!!!!! Sorry if i'm ruining the thread lol. I'd rather have any Japan other than USA tbh. If you want 'different' different Ryu lets get AIR!!!!
I will donate like 50 for sure.
Quote from: [NYC] weazzyefff on January 14, 2011, 07:37:02 PM
Jakkk g. Duno about the 5th Ryu in the world. Lets get Daigo!!!!! Sorry if i'm ruining the thread lol. I'd rather have any Japan other than USA tbh. If you want 'different' different Ryu lets get AIR!!!!
I will donate like 50 for sure.
You just don't know bro, if we get daigo we'll just get beasted and he won't teach us much but if we get valle we'll get beasted but hopefully he'll can give us pointers (since he speaks english) in general but particularly for me would be footsies because my footsies are horrible. And i read in an interview with daigo ages ago that the most fun he had at a tournament in america was getting smashed with valle afterwards sounds like a plan for team [B 1 82].
This sounds like a cool idea. I'd be keen to donate $100 or so. Valle would be awesome.
Yeah what Flash said. I think he would have a more to offer than Daigo tbh. He'll beast us at SSFIV but we can show him that the Americans are lightweights when it comes to drinking hohoho
Quote from: samurai black on January 14, 2011, 07:10:01 PM
nah, i think we should send team NIUE over to whatever international event instead :P
we cant promise to win anything but everything we enter will be hype haha
You guys still owe us a Drinking match! :P
I'd buy a hoody for like 80 or 100, my vote would be for tokido.
I did have a wall of text but I wasn't getting my point across in the way which I intended. A bullet point summary will have to suffice. Happy to discuss it more in detail via PM or in person @ ranbats.
- It is something we have considered but is not currently at the top of our agenda
- Cost is extremely prohibitive unless we piggy back off of Australian events and we get lots of donations
- Do we really want to bring international players to GIGA? Personally I feel we need a better venue before going forward with this
Quote from: zos'la on January 14, 2011, 02:20:20 PM
I actually told them to increase the entry fee and save that up for our own equipments, prize money for national (item) or something like what u mentioned. But had been reject since they want to keep the entry fee to the lowest possible.
@zosla: please stop talking about stuff you have absolutely no idea about. Events aren't just about providing prizes for the top 10% of the community.
Agree with Rorooze's points. A better venue first would be good.
I 100% completely agree with Rory here......................
Im not pissing on the idea, I personally think that it would be awesome to have a special international guest(s).
But at the moment we're such a small and undeveloped community, we have other things worry about first - which Rory has just stated.
BTW I should say I like the idea of getting someone big here, I don't think it's a stupid idea or anything. But unfortunately it's not as easy as it sounds :<
Quote from: Rorooze on January 14, 2011, 11:24:55 PM
- Do we really want to bring international players to GIGA? Personally I feel we need a better venue before going forward with this
That was the first thing i thought of. And also, there's a few other aspects i think we could get sorted first too.
i.e streaming events (i've streamed 3 live cameras from my studio in hamilton DIRECT to over 100 viewers before, that's
without using a service like ustream or justin.tv which actually takes your single feed and serves it to client computers so
you don't have to -- just a preemptive point against any "our bandwidth in NZ is too crap"), sponsors, and a few other things
that probably don't need to be discussed here.
Once the whole thing has tightened up, international guests will be awesome.
I just didn't want to say it first and be "that guy" like i always seem to.. ;D
Lol Rory's points are all valid. ESPECIALLY about GIGA being our venue. Lol'd.
Quote from: CaptainHook on January 15, 2011, 01:14:56 AM
That was the first thing i thought of. And also, there's a few other aspects i think we could get sorted first too.
i.e streaming events (i've streamed 3 live cameras from my studio in hamilton DIRECT to over 100 viewers before, that's
without using a service like ustream or justin.tv which actually takes your single feed and serves it to client computers so
you don't have to -- just a preemptive point against any "our bandwidth in NZ is too crap"), sponsors, and a few other things
that probably don't need to be discussed here.
Once the whole thing has tightened up, international guests will be awesome.
I agree with what you're saying, although I hate the formatting you use to say it :) Were you streaming to only NZ, or also international?
This point in particular is important, because any sponsor*ED* players coming here will almost undoubtedly be attached to a 'event must be streamed' kind of clause. Because otherwise there's no real promotional aspect to the player going somewhere.[/list]
Firstly Kudos to Euan for thinking outside the box and getting others to do so. We need more attitudes like this in the community!
It seems a lot of the community thinks that Giga is holding us back. At least for tournament venues. So now the obvious question seems to be:
What would be a good venue to hold tournaments?
Also if there is a perfect venue outside of Auckland I don't think we should rule it out as they may be less expensive.
The first one I think of would be Hotel conference rooms. (although they may not be cheap, also they may not want the rowdiness of a tournament.)The Crown PLaza is the first that comes to mind. Otherwise Aotea Centre or ASB Showgrounds. Not the whole bloody place but just a section big enough for the event.
^^ Incredibly expensive. The smallest room at the conference centre at sky city (33 square m) would be in the realm of $1k+. Outside of the CBD there are cheaper venues but the minimum outlay for something suitable is going to be $500+. We need to be hitting 100+ participants to even start looking at the places you've suggested (hotels in the CBD). Remember that as you start getting bigger events you have to start paying for more things up front, this puts more financial risk on the people signing their life away for things like a bond on the venue.
Honestly, all the ideas in this thread have been mentioned at some stage by the all of the people that organise NZism stuff. We have some big plans but to pull those off we have a bunch of smaller steps that we need to work on, these are slowly (but surely) coming into play.
Admittedly we don't say too much publicly about what we're planning, though I'd much rather NZism under-promise and over-deliver than hype shit up and then pop like a balloon. This year I think a lot of the things we've been discussing and planning over 2010 are going to fall into place in 2011 and hopefully (depending on the success of MVC3) we can start implementing some of it before the end of the year.
Quote from: LN on January 15, 2011, 09:39:02 AM
I agree with what you're saying, although I hate the formatting you use to say it :) Were you streaming to only NZ, or also international?
Lol, sorry Alan.
90% of connections i monitored where in NZ yes.. but i guess my real point was that as i monitored bandwidth etc i got a fair idea that
if i could have streamed my feed to a better server rather than have people connect direct to MY server i setup, i could have managed the
stream easily. This was about 4-5 years ago and i couldn't find anything like ustream at the time (may have been around but i was more
interested in learning the technical setup anyway as it was an experiment that proved to be a successful marketing venture for us).
Sorry again for the above formating. LOL.
Quote from: Rorooze on January 15, 2011, 11:35:25 AM
^^ Incredibly expensive. The smallest room at the conference centre at sky city (33 square m) would be in the realm of $1k+. Outside of the CBD there are cheaper venues but the minimum outlay for something suitable is going to be $500+. We need to be hitting 100+ participants to even start looking at the places you've suggested (hotels in the CBD). Remember that as you start getting bigger events you have to start paying for more things up front, this puts more financial risk on the people signing their life away for things like a bond on the venue.
Honestly, all the ideas in this thread have been mentioned at some stage by the all of the people that organise NZism stuff. We have some big plans but to pull those off we have a bunch of smaller steps that we need to work on, these are slowly (but surely) coming into play.
I'd rather say this in private but i've been doing a bit of looking into venues.
A lot of the community "halls" in town are council subsidized, so you can get a room like Ellen Melville for like $16p/h
depending on what time ("peak" is $30). Graeme should know this venue as it's often used for gigs/shows. :D
Of course it means we need to take setups, and parking is a bitch, but i think even just that is a much better option.
It's about the same size as giga.. but an empty room with (usually) a bunch of stackable seats in it.
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/council/services/venues/pioneer.asp
But i think there's a bunch of potentials here that we could go check out (yes i'm putting up my hand to help out :P):
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/council/services/venues/locations.asp
Had a massive post. Started doing work. Rory beat me to it. Had to fucking start my post again.
We appreciate the suggestions guys, and by all means keep them coming. I feel i need to reiterate that Lenny, Rory and myself have put EXTENSIVE thought into this, and have considered a hell of a lot of different options. Just remember that its not as simple as "Lets just change venues". We have a lot more variables to consider than just that. For example. Hook noted the parking and setups issues. Theyre fairly significant. Not so much parking, but setups especially. And we know that 90% of you guys would be willing to donate your own equipment for use at our tourneys, and you guys are fucking legends for that. But ultimately, this is a workaround that leads to inconsistancies, and we would like to avoid these if possible. We have options here, most of which actually use Giga as a means to an end.
ATM guys, Giga is it. Everyone rips on Giga, but economically at this stage it makes the most sense for us to use it as our venue. Rory, Lenny and myself have discussed this A LOT, and as Rory says, we cant divulge any of our plans at this stage. (By "our" plans, i mainly mean Rory and Lenny's plans :P) But our consensus is that Giga has to stay for the time being. It may not be the flashest diggs, but it is serving its purpose, and allowing us to expand both the community, and the quality of our events. From a player standpoint, I think we could definitely do better in terms of event location. Behind the scenes though, I also get that Giga is bridging our gap to bigger and better things. Growth is, and should be our focus. Giga is serving its purpose well atm. Could our location change in 2011? Maybe. But also maybe not. There are a few things we need to get under our belts this year before we can take another hard look at venues. But absolutely keep the suggestions coming, as we add them all to our list of potentials.
As i say, we really do appreciate the suggestions, and particularly the offers of assistance (Thanks Hook), and i personally would love to see some more threads like this pop up in the future.
Basically, I want to say that the 'admin' (I guess you could call us that) hear and understand you guys. We're all players as well, and we feel the same way you do. And we are actively spending a lot of time exploring options around these issues. Rory and Lenny especially. I can't give those guys enough credit.
Quote from: Rorooze on January 15, 2011, 11:35:25 AM
^^ Incredibly expensive. The smallest room at the conference centre at sky city (33 square m) would be in the realm of $1k+. Outside of the CBD there are cheaper venues but the minimum outlay for something suitable is going to be $500+. We need to be hitting 100+ participants to even start looking at the places you've suggested (hotels in the CBD). Remember that as you start getting bigger events you have to start paying for more things up front, this puts more financial risk on the people signing their life away for things like a bond on the venue.
Honestly, all the ideas in this thread have been mentioned at some stage by the all of the people that organise NZism stuff. We have some big plans but to pull those off we have a bunch of smaller steps that we need to work on, these are slowly (but surely) coming into play.
Admittedly we don't say too much publicly about what we're planning, though I'd much rather NZism under-promise and over-deliver than hype shit up and then pop like a balloon. This year I think a lot of the things we've been discussing and planning over 2010 are going to fall into place in 2011 and hopefully (depending on the success of MVC3) we can start implementing some of it before the end of the year.
Excellent! Great to hear the pros and cons. Without this information people don't know what they're dealing with.
I really think it's good to see people discussing this type of thing on the forums as it can only be good for the community.
So it sounds as though Birry, Rory and Lenny are already planning some things. If you guys want any input on your ideas this would be the perfect forum for it.
That's why i was asking that Ali guy how they got Gamerbee, Tokido and Mago. It seemed pretty easy. Just need heaps of money for their accomadation and prizemoney worth winning it sounded like. You could proabably get more info off him on facebook or something.
I would rather have these guys over here. Even if they don't speak english. Just cos their awesome.
I know the venue is a problem too. But with our small community we could have the international players at Giga no sweat. I think they would like to come cos New Zealand is a mint country and they would love to travel here. I just know they would.
They could stay in CBD and we could take them on mint trips i bet. Like beaches and shit. Don;t know why they need to be promoting and stuff though. They not like Americans. They might just come cos travel and for free and shit.
edit: Oh, and i think we should only do it if we get them from after Aussie event. Just easier for them cos they close. And cheaper for us. And easier to contact i suppose.
Quote from: [NYC] weazzyefff on January 15, 2011, 05:52:56 PM
They might just come cos travel and for free and shit.
You've got a point. Mind you return tickets would cost about $2000 - $3000. And accommodation would be about $150 a night.
Quote from: [NYC] weazzyefff on January 15, 2011, 05:52:56 PM
edit: Oh, and i think we should only do it if we get them from after Aussie event. Just easier for them cos they close. And cheaper for us. And easier to contact i suppose.
This isnt a bad call.
Quote from: [NYC] weazzyefff on January 15, 2011, 05:52:56 PM
They could stay in CBD and we could take them on mint trips i bet. Like beaches and shit. Don;t know why they need to be promoting and stuff though. They not like Americans. They might just come cos travel and for free and shit.
This is quite true. Showing them a good time and the country is a big part of it. And of course there's every possibility
that just about any of them would come (americans too) if everything is covered and they're well looked after. Free trips
can be enticing to anyone providing they don't lose money they would otherwise gain if they didn't come.
But like it's been said we need to be well prepared and have more things in place, first impressions last and the first time
this happens needs to be fucking great for everyone involved so it's not a one time thing. :)
It's not really as easy as getting them tickets from Aussie to NZ and then back to Aussie again.
The Aussie guys are the ones paying the big bucks for them to come from abroad, so they aren't going to want to let them go until after all their stuff is complete. That means we wouldn't get them till Tuesday. At which point we would have to put them up till the weekend when we have our event, as well as tickets to and from Aussie. Your looking at a minimum of $2000-00 for accommodation and flights. Then consider feeding them etc, getting them to and from the airport.
While I think it isn't a goal we can't aim for, I think we need to be realistic about crawling before we walk. Personally, I would like to see us holding events with excess of 70 participants, a "nicer" venue, and all recorded on nice recording equipment ready to be uploaded to Youtube.
Quote from: Ngati Kahungunu Champ on January 16, 2011, 01:05:30 AM
Personally, I would like to see us holding events with excess of 70 participants, a "nicer" venue, and all recorded on nice recording equipment ready to be uploaded to Youtube.
+1 :)
Quote from: Ngati Kahungunu Champ on January 16, 2011, 01:05:30 AM
I think we need to be realistic about crawling before we walk.
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Quote from: Ngati Kahungunu Champ on January 16, 2011, 01:05:30 AM
Personally, I would like to see us holding events with excess of 70 participants, a "nicer" venue, and all recorded on nice recording equipment ready to be uploaded to Youtube.
QUOTING FOR SUPPORT
How much did we have for nats? More than 70 wasn't it? All together i mean.
Quote from: Ngati Kahungunu Champ on January 16, 2011, 01:05:30 AM
a "nicer" venue, and all recorded on nice recording equipment ready to be uploaded to Youtube.
Giga is allgood. Nobody's gonna buy recording equipment.
Quote from: Ngati Kahungunu Champ on January 16, 2011, 01:05:30 AM
The Aussie guys are the ones paying the big bucks for them to come from abroad, so they aren't going to want to let them go until after all their stuff is complete. That means we wouldn't get them till Tuesday. At which point we would have to put them up till the weekend when we have our event, as well as tickets to and from Aussie.
Yer you got a point on this part. We could cross that bridge when we get to it. Just work something out with Ali or some Aus. That like 5 days and 2 tickets or something?
Quote from: CaptainHook on January 15, 2011, 08:15:42 PM
But like it's been said we need to be well prepared and have more things in place, first impressions last and the first time
this happens needs to be fucking great for everyone involved so it's not a one time thing. :)
You mean like after they see Giga they will be like 'oh damn, aint coming back NZ'? Sheeeeit. I hope not. Another venue might cost so much we can't afford the pro players and shit.
No, i mean more like we don't want them leaving thinking "fuck that was so badly organized and i didn't have any fun, NZ is amateur hour hard".
We'd want them thinking the opposite.
Quote from: CaptainHook on January 16, 2011, 01:53:13 PM
No, i mean more like we don't want them leaving thinking "fuck that was so badly organized and i didn't have any fun, NZ is amateur hour hard".
We'd want them thinking the opposite.
Oh yer yer harrd.
Thats our focus this year. Polishing our shit. When its all nice and shiny, we can start with the long term goal of international exposure. Ive said it a lot. Shit is getting REAL in 2011.
Quote from: Ngati Kahungunu Champ on January 16, 2011, 01:05:30 AM
Personally, I would like to see us holding events with excess of 70 participants, a "nicer" venue, and all recorded on nice recording equipment ready to be uploaded to Youtube.
Lol goal for 2011?
Quote from: [NYC] weazzyefff on January 16, 2011, 01:40:07 PM
How much did we have for nats? More than 70 wasn't it? All together i mean.
Giga is allgood. Nobody's gonna buy recording equipment.
Yer you got a point on this part. We could cross that bridge when we get to it. Just work something out with Ali or some Aus. That like 5 days and 2 tickets or something?
You mean like after they see Giga they will be like 'oh damn, aint coming back NZ'? Sheeeeit. I hope not. Another venue might cost so much we can't afford the pro players and shit.
Nah we had 50? Something like that. I'm talking about NZism having it's own recording hardware etc.
But yeah we don't want to bring guys from overseas to see us in a shambles setup. Get everything sorted and then start doing it.
Whoa was there only 50? Shux i though ssf4 alone woulda been about 50. And about 20 for the other games.
Damn at this rate i would save up enough money to go Japan and play them myself.
Quote from: [NYC] weazzyefff on January 16, 2011, 05:16:59 PM
Whoa was there only 50? Shux i though ssf4 alone woulda been about 50. And about 20 for the other games.
Damn at this rate i would save up enough money to go Japan and play them myself.
Sorry dude was a typo. Was 60 across all the games I think. Maybe a little less.
Thats alot of Diezals you'd be missing out on bro! haha!
Hard lol. That saving money part was a HUGE typo lol.