Now that the game is out in the wild, time to start a new thread with some actual info in it rather than just speculation!
And what better way of starting than with a link to the pretty awesome SRK hyper guide? Check it out at http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Marvel_vs_Capcom_3 to answer most of your basic questions!
It even answers some questions asked previously, like that during a Team Hyper Combo the point char CAN become unfrozen and move around for mixups.
And here's a pretty balanced review by Haunts of iPlayWinner (for 1up.com): http://www.1up.com/reviews/marvel-capcom-3-review?pager.offset=0
It does look nice, i'll be picking it up.
But I can't believe they left out spectator mode for online play and the challenge mode sounds a bit meh.
Still a fighting game with Arthur is all good ;D
When you get your xbox copy... lol, make sure to clear cache after installing or you might have some trouble loading demon village stage. Don't know if this is necessary for everyone but it should help those who have problems, and I'm not sure if the same problem occurs on PS3 and if so, if there is a fix.
Edit: like this ish [22:45] <joey_h> system settings > memory > then Y i think
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=147267775335158
DLC pricing
chars are 400MSP, not too bad I guess.
YEAH DLC COSTUMES
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/feb/15/dlc-costume-images-marvel-vs-capcom-3-trailers/
SO AWESOME
So far I've yet to utilise the aerial exchange combo's, and I might avoid them. I've heard you can mash 360 + E/S and basically burst any direction reliably. So far I'm pretty fucking lost to be honest, but I've just been going through mission mode, see who seems fun etc. Picking up some combos for wolverine now, mostly just transcribed the trag combos, and taken one drill out in one of them to make it more reliable and easier, but getting over 600k damage with 1 meter anywhere on screen.
Haven't really progressed as far with other chars, the boring Dante combo is pretty legit so I've stuck to that, and had it kill 2 chars in one combo with x factor, so sick but stupid haha. (still lost the match to lvl 3 x factor wesker tho). Basically been dial a comboing with Doom, need to learn a loop because I'm not really satisfied with what you get from magic series air magic series super with him. Trish is the same thing, still dial a comboing into super with her. Mission 10 for her looks legit, not sure how much damage it does but there must be some sick shit for her out there.
Kind of feeling demoralised by Dante, even though when I was playing vs with him before I didn't know how to teleport or command jump, but playing with an 8 way airdash is just so nasty I don't want to be without it.
It probably pays to post this Tron infinite too;
[nico]sm13616828[/nico]
I've also had a lot of trouble against Arthur and Dormammu. I just can't seem to do anything. Also, pro-tips for blocking random Wesker spaz super? It seems like it randomly crosses up eventually, it does give you some time to react but I'm struggling atm.
wow that infinite doesn't look hard to do at all but i wonder how hard it is for tron to get opponent into corner to set that up. Stupid infinite should be harder to execute.
Quote from: Chuckk on February 17, 2011, 12:49:59 AM
Also, pro-tips for blocking random Wesker spaz super? It seems like it randomly crosses up eventually, it does give you some time to react but I'm struggling atm.
Block high the whole time. It doesn't crossup after the first hit if you block high but it will if you try and block low.
Quote from: Chuckk on February 17, 2011, 12:49:59 AM
So far I've yet to utilise the aerial exchange combo's, and I might avoid them. I've heard you can mash 360 + E/S and basically burst any direction reliably.
Keits tested this pretty thoroughly (as in, 100 times), and that is bullshit. He said it worked 33% of the time, about what you'd expect from random chance.
Note that it's also a weighted Rock/paper/scissors game, so if you think they are going for meter, choose DOWN. It's explained in the srk wiki hyper guide.
Also chuckk, you can embed nico vids using the 'nico' tag - just put the sXXXXX in between the tags. There's a little box on the input form for it (the white tv next to youtube)
Quote from: samurai black on February 16, 2011, 02:17:30 PM
YEAH DLC COSTUMES
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/feb/15/dlc-costume-images-marvel-vs-capcom-3-trailers/
SO AWESOME
Awesome! I was really hoping they would do that. Makes so much sense with the Marvel characters especially cos everyone has their favourite version. Finally some classic Wolverine.
EDIT: SF1 RYU!!!!!!
Still working out the best button map. This actually feels like one fighting game that might actually benefit from playing on a pad.
Yer bro, my mates are owning me on pad.
The thing about new fighting games i always have trouble with is learning how move, the mobility is hard for me.
I just dash forward into random shit all day. Throw an assist then dash forward gets both of them owned haha. My mates are random super mashers and they wasting me lol.
ALSO! How do you use Sentinal? After trying to zone with him my mates just jump across the screen and start fucking me up. How to get them off of how to AA them?
Spam boot with Sent................It works.
Haha wat? Just jump back H? Or jump back M or something for AA? OR are you just trolling Jack you kieeennnt.
How do you wavedash? I'm doing it like Tekken, or is there a better way?
Yea, Marvel will give you some trouble against mashers at the start for sure. His exchange has super armour on it. Thats basically your 'get off me' button. Just use it sparingly. 'Spam boot with sent' kind of works, but not until they start blocking/forcing a whiff, and then supering you in the face.
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on February 17, 2011, 11:27:08 AM
After trying to zone with him my mates just jump across the screen and start fucking me up. How to get them off of how to AA them?
Use Advancing Guard to get them off you, it will push them back giving you some breathing space.
Jack mean use st.H as it has super armour. So if they are rushing you down you can take the hit and launch them into MAD COMBOS!
Just got my PS3 sent back repaired in the mail. Got my Copy of Marvel 20 mins later. 25% done on the install, just needed to say...
ITS MAHVEL BABY!
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on February 17, 2011, 11:35:27 AM
Haha wat? Just jump back H? Or jump back M or something for AA? OR are you just trolling Jack you kieeennnt.
How do you wavedash? I'm doing it like Tekken, or is there a better way?
I'm guesssing in mvc3 you press all three attack buttons to dash (in MVC2 it was both punch buttons). Use that instead of double tapping the stick. That pretty much gives away how to wave dash and tri jump ;D
Two buttons
Just two ATK buttons to dash ;D any two.
I've got my button layout on my 6button joystick as follows
L M H
Sp Ast1 Ast2
Is there a standard out there?
That is the standard
I just got rolled in my first match. Vs a Comp. On very easy.
:(
Thanks LN.
Choco, you just need 3 hyper levels and two buttons ;D
Dude I have no idea whats going on in t his game. Everytime I move foward the comp reacts with a super, everytime I block I just get thrown. If I walk over they rape me, If I dash it takes too long to recover. I am so confused lol
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on February 17, 2011, 11:35:27 AM
How do you wavedash? I'm doing it like Tekken, or is there a better way?
That made me lol. You just mash two attacks and press down at the same time and keep doing it.
I love this game. I've played a couple matches and got rolled, so much fun though. Currently working through mission mode for everyone, some are easy as (super-skrull/Viper) some are nuts as hard (Dante has to many moves lol)
Keen for getting my ass kicked tonight if anyone wants some casuals, I need some tutoring as.
I seem to be able to get about 7 to 8 of the missions done per character, then I cant do the last few ones lol. The combos are so long argh
Also training myself to do Vipers burn kick as down back punch is the most difficult thing to overcome lol.
Haha you need to get your head around the fact that it's not "punch" and "kick" anymore though just different attack strengths. Not too hard for those of us that have been playing Blazblue for the last few months.
So I try a player match under the assumption that it won't count for anything. It was kind of close but eh I dont know what I'm doing. Find out at the end that it keeps a record of it anyway. So really, unless you want to have a horrible record online there is no way to practice with other people?
But then you fool people into a false sense of security, when you start being good, you have a whole heap of losses, they think you're scrub, BUT YOU RAPE THEM WITH YOUR 20% WIN RATIO!!
Just realised that don't work, cause they also show your current win streak, even if you stop playing and turn off your machine, when you next jump online, it'll still say your on whatever number of win streak.
It's awesome :)
Quote from: Pinolicious on February 17, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
But then you fool people into a false sense of security, when you start being good, you have a whole heap of losses, they think you're scrub, BUT YOU RAPE THEM WITH YOUR 20% WIN RATIO!!
Just realised that don't work, cause they also show your current win streak, even if you stop playing and turn off your machine, when you next jump online, it'll still say your on whatever number of win streak.
It's awesome :)
lol if only. Just kinda bummed that its going to be counting me from the get go. I honestly don't know how to learn the game other than just playing around in training mode. Missions give you like 1-2 levels of basics then they go into long strings of combos, while not hard, just require memorization.
My main problem is I don't know how to hit people. My moves seem to whiff, and when I try get close the enemy always hits me first. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. I walk up and try block but eh just not working for me
Haha I got a trophy for playing a whole match without blocking, RUSH THAT SHIT DOWN ;D
Lol I killed 2 characters by bringing out arthur and just spamming his lance and daggers + his amulet thing. I should just make my entire team spam projectiles, then I don't even need to worry about getting in range < 3
This is Marvel so that is a valid tactic.
Quote from: geneterror on February 17, 2011, 03:01:12 PM
This is Marvel so that is a valid tactic.
I'm not a fan of keep away though, really want a rush down team. Its just that I can't hit people : (
Quote from: Chocobuny on February 17, 2011, 02:46:13 PM
lol if only. Just kinda bummed that its going to be counting me from the get go. I honestly don't know how to learn the game other than just playing around in training mode. Missions give you like 1-2 levels of basics then they go into long strings of combos, while not hard, just require memorization.
My main problem is I don't know how to hit people. My moves seem to whiff, and when I try get close the enemy always hits me first. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. I walk up and try block but eh just not working for me
HULK SEZ DESTROY!!!!
At first I hated this, but after I got the hang of it (new to MvC) I'm bloody loving it!
Quote from: Ridethelightning on February 17, 2011, 05:04:46 PM
At first I hated this, but after I got the hang of it (new to MvC) I'm bloody loving it!
How did you get the hang of it so fast!
At the moment I use Deadpool, Weskar and Arthur. I just zone with Deadpool and Arthur and Weskar comes in for the combo damage lol. It beats very easy comps :)
Assist 1 is the most weirdest button to press and I keep hitting heavy for assist. Doh.
Wesker is fun and Dormammu is kinda cool though kindy gets in some uncomfortable spots.
Sent feels like mvc2 super godlike version.
Awesome game :D
Much faster than I was expecting. You really have to mash the chains out :/
morrigan mission 3, HTF do you do air M -> air H. the standing bit is easy :< once i connect air M i'm back on the ground.
If you get about half a screen away then dash, she flys up above Wolverine and you just hit M>H fast when your near his head. That's how I did it anyway. Not sure if you can do it from regular jump in.
I like using dash > crouching short then launch... Air combo into Ultra
I use pretty much the same Air combo across all my characters as It's easy and does good damage.
How long can you juggle in Air for anyway?
Sorry if this has been asked before, but what button config do most of you have on joystick?
A B C
D 1 2 ? Is this the type B layout?
Has anyone tried
B C 1
A D 2 ? I'm considering going with this as MVC2 habits are hard to break, but at the same time I also wanna play the most common layout, so have to change buttons less ???
a b c
e 1 2
I think most people will be using button layout B:
A B C
D 1 2
type b seems to tbe way to go.
still trying to spit fly, unfly, spit with sent the old way :D weird going qcb for HSF :/
Can't wait to scrub it up tomorrow!
Lets go team ADD! :D
Having so much more success with keep away characters
Every time i try to rush down i lose to people who look like they are mashing
Right now my rush down team is morrigan spidey doom since both morrigan and spidey have instant overheads
Was trying pheonix but one mashed anything by the opponent and she dies
Its funny playing this after so many years of mvc2 i still hit wrong buttons such as assist 1 for launch with sent or hp for assist
Also how are you guys finding the online? the match making seems weird at the mo sometimes i cant find anyone in ranked or player
Bro the online is pretty shit ay. OK... It's really shit.
can hardly do easy combo's. It's gonna be unbearable after i learn the hard ones :(
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on February 17, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
Bro the online is pretty shit ay. OK... It's really shit.
can hardly do easy combo's. It's gonna be unbearable after i learn the hard ones :(
Im not sure bout ps3 but i find its not too bad on xbox but it says i have 4bar with usa in the lobbys so i dunno
yeh i've had pretty good connections all round. although i did get someone disconnect right as a hit a finishing hyper... messaged him "wtf" and he replyed "man mvc connection is bs, hope they patch it soon, ggs btw real close"
fucker
Quote from: amendonz on February 18, 2011, 12:35:42 AM
yeh i've had pretty good connections all round. although i did get someone disconnect right as a hit a finishing hyper... messaged him "wtf" and he replyed "man mvc connection is bs, hope they patch it soon, ggs btw real close"
fucker
Lol'd so fuckin hard.
ugh, played with Euan tonight and thought the online was pretty dreadful TBH.
-Fast game with bolo netcode is a bit shit
-Still no "Rematch" option
-Takes forever to actually get into a game with the timer countdown thingy
Quote from: Lennysaurus on February 18, 2011, 12:40:44 AM
ugh, played with Euan tonight and thought the online was pretty dreadful TBH.
-Fast game with bolo netcode is a bit shit
-Still no "Rematch" option
-Takes forever to actually get into a game with the timer countdown thingy
Are you playing in lobbys?
cos thats an option in the player matches
Quote from: Barnstorm on February 18, 2011, 12:46:43 AM
Are you playing in lobbys?
cos thats an option in the player matches
Oh thank fuck. I just joined the game that Euan invited me to. Sweet as if it has it.
Haggar lariat assist is so good
I was using:
thor
phoenix
hagar
My whole game plan was to use thor for meter gain with d,d+H and use hagar to get guys off me to do it
Every time i play without sent i feel as though i should have him especially if the opponent has him and uses xfactor
I also found with phoenix if you activate healing it looks as though some moves eg weskers super did no damage will have to test this more though
Edit after a quick test it looks like healing lessens the damage by more than half so weskers phantom dance did 1/5 of a meter damage (bad move to test tho since damage varies so after testing amaterasu super it did about 1/5 with healing and about 2/3 without so around 250k without and 100k with)
I have also got my first hate mail already
Spamming arthur dagger
and said the same when i used morrigan and used her overhead dash +S
Well you are a lameass dirty spammer in general so yeah :P
Man, hitstun from j.H and j.S is enormous, and hitstun from L is miniscule. I don't think I've ever had to press L->M so fast in any other game.
I can't imagine wanting to play VS anyone for quite some time. I too am suffering from 'auto mvc2 input' syndrome.
However I was playing it solid from about 6pm till 11:30 last night, and woke up this morning with various ideas in my head that I couldn't stop thinking about -_-
So even if I don't play vs this game is still fun. Doing Sentinel's missions had me laughing out loud
What's up with his missions? Are they stupid or something? Farkk i need to crack that 100% crackdash Neo combo. Looking perrty mint.
I'm just learning BnB sort of combo's so far though. Like Sents other combo and Dante's normal gdlk combo.
I'm gonna drop akuma for Magneto. Cos my Akuma sux balls. He get's owned all the time and is just there to fill up my team lol. Magneto has no black colour though!!! WTF is up with that. Messing up my teams coulors and sheeiitt. He got two of the fugliest colours i've ever seen put together in an outfit!!! They want nobody playing Mag i'd say.
netcode is KAKA. fucking terrible.
^ Agree. Playing Aussies and Americans is almost the same in terms of how slow it is... Also had a guy rage quit on me twice in a row he tried to faggot me out with Mag/Arthur/Sent, but I just rushed his shit down, I had X23/Dante/Sent against him and I just needed to call Sent then hop/teleport over to the other side and free combo.
Quote from: Ryan on February 17, 2011, 09:41:20 PM
Has anyone tried
B C 1
A D 2 ? I'm considering going with this as MVC2 habits are hard to break, but at the same time I also wanna play the most common layout, so have to change buttons less ???
I think i might start using this lay out but soon i get my PS3 .........(*_*)...
because this one it suit MVC2 old school player to goes like this at start up :
Tab A+1 at the same time or
Tab A+2 at the same time
like MVC2 lp or lk + assist 1 or assist 2 at the same time ( old school player should know wot i meant )
Because im having hard time when i use Beta button when u press A+1 So hard( because the 1 button was in the button middle( which register as old MVC2 button as HK button instead ) . As A+ 2 is still easy .
Here goes like this :
X= Hold Button ( when pressing )
X M H
X M H
S
X 2 ( A+1) Is hard to press same time S 1
X (A+2 ) this one is ok
U know wot i mean ? ??? ::)
I'd say it very much depends on which chars you're using. Some of them utilise the S button for various different special moves, which I think would be kinda annoying if S was in the MK position... I'm thinking Viper for one.
Quote from: gunsmoke on February 18, 2011, 10:21:44 AM
I think i might start using this lay out but soon i get my PS3 .........(*_*)...
because this one it suit MVC2 old school player to goes like this at start up :
Tab A+1 at the same time or
Tab A+2 at the same time
like MVC2 lp or lk + assist 1 or assist 2 at the same time ( old school player should know wot i meant )
Because im having hard time when i use Beta button when u press A+1 So hard( because the 1 button was in the button middle( which register as old MVC2 button as HK button instead ) . As A+ 2 is still easy .
Here goes like this :
X= Hold Button ( when pressing )
X M H X M H
S X 2 ( A+1) Is hard to press same time S 1 X (A+2 ) this one is ok
U know wot i mean ? ??? ::)
Yea that's exactly what I thought. But then I realised that only helps if the A button does medium attack too :'( Rather than A+1, B... etc confusing ;D :P
I like the B button layout personally.. in general it feels weird not having kicks, especially for executing some of the special moves, but i guess it really simplifies learning different characters moves a lot.
I've only played offline so far, but man Sent is a beast. I can't see me having a team without him, he looks so cool and seems quite well rounded too. Kind hoping he doesnt turn out to be imba in the long run so hes not seen as a lamer
Only got up to his level 7 mission yesterday, but now I saw in videos that the rocket punch is quite delayed in that mission, since its an OTG attack. Makes more sense after seeing it done, I kept trying to do it in the air. It's a pity there doesnt seem to be any playback function to show the combo in game before you try doing it, I think I saw that in a tekken game. Lots to learn in this game, still havent even used X factor or an aerial exchange yet. lol
cobmo reply feature is in blazblue as well.
Damn capcom, lol.
Yeah it's like a lot of reviews are saying the game itself is awesome but the modes/options are pretty shit really. No replays, I mean c'mon.
Things I would like to see happen/change:
The option to see the computer do the training missions.
Replay saves...when someone smashes me I want to go back and watch it to see what I was doing wrong.
I hate the button config menu, make it like HD Remix/MvC2.
Put the button options on the character select screen, especially with a game that has more than one layout but no common one. At least let us choose A, B or C layout at the character select. This is going to be horrible for tourneys as everyone sets up their button every game.
Spectator mode for online lobbies.
If no Spectator mode then at least let me use training mode while I wait for my turn.
Basically Capcom go and look at Blazblue's menu/options/story mode and go sort your shit out :P
One thing I do like is the option to save 3 preset teams so you don't have to keep rechoosing everything after each match!
Quote from: geneterror on February 18, 2011, 01:49:49 PM
The option to see the computer do the training missions.
Replay saves...when someone smashes me I want to go back and watch it to see what I was doing wrong.
I hate the button config menu, make it like HD Remix/MvC2.
Put the button options on the character select screen, especially with a game that has more than one layout but no common one. At least let us choose A, B or C layout at the character select. This is going to be horrible for tourneys as everyone sets up their button every game.
Spectator mode for online lobbies.
If no Spectator mode then at least let me use training mode while I wait for my turn.
Basically Capcom go and look at Blazblue's menu/options/story mode and go sort your shit out :P
One thing I do like is the option to save 3 preset teams so you don't have to keep rechoosing everything after each match!
These things should be standard with a fighting game really
Also you can just play training mode and have fight request on not sure what it is like tho
It's like when I'm in an actual match and mashing my buttons, I'm having an orgasm, it's so fun. Then when I'm out of a match, every single thing about the game grinds my gears like hell.
And net code is fucking shit as.
They should bring a patch out soon, so hopefully they will include fixes to some of the problems people are talking about.
Played it for the first time at starbase last night got owned but love it so far. You gotta see this not because commentating I was pretty overtired and hype) in a laughably poor manner but because Haggar and this guys Spencer is so godlike:
www.justin.tv/iplaywinner/b/279801144
Quote from: originaljulz on February 18, 2011, 02:42:58 PM
It's like when I'm in an actual match and mashing my buttons, I'm having an orgasm, it's so fun. Then when I'm out of a match, every single thing about the game grinds my gears like hell.
And net code is fucking shit as.
Totally know what you mean.
I hate the save our team feature. It was a fucking mish to get my team and their correct colours. WTF is colour 1,2,3 and 4? It took me aaaaages. Kept gettting the wroing colour. It's not even 1 is L, 2 is medium etc, it more fucked up.
ANd yer i totally agree with you Graeme. BB did it proper. Need an Arc vs game or something ay! And let them do it.
Quote from: CptMunta on February 18, 2011, 02:47:54 PM
Played it for the first time at starbase last night got owned but love it so far. You gotta see this not because commentating I was pretty overtired and hype) in a laughably poor manner but because Haggar and this guys Spencer is so godlike:
www.justin.tv/iplaywinner/b/279801144
Good watch/good commentry! ;D
Quote from: geneterror on February 18, 2011, 01:49:49 PM
Basically Capcom go and look at Blazblue's menu/options/story mode and go sort your shit out :P
for shame graeme.
Whatever dick :P Blazblue has a good story mode. I never play it but it has one haha. It's better than the 3 illustrations you get at the end of MvC3 >:(
do you really need a story? its not like you played 2 for the story :D
Weazzy colours are lk, lp, mp, hp on xbox. Don't know about PS3 could be different as xbox has A on lk and PS3 has X on mk which would probably be colour 1.
cpt munta is the man
Dear Capcom,
Please patch the following into this game.
- Make it so that Sentinal's frying pan does not bounce the opponent on hit, but instead gives them a hard knockdown
- Make his launcher punishable on block
- Tone down damage on lvl 3 X-Factor
- Make it so that people can use thier X-Factor as a combo breaker, but in using it this way give up the buffs that come with it
- Make it so that I can watch other people play in a lobby
All in all this game is super fun as hell to play, but it does get a bit "dumb". I think the above things would help it heaps.
Quote from: Ryan on February 18, 2011, 11:47:24 AM
Yea that's exactly what I thought. But then I realised that only helps if the A button does medium attack too :'( Rather than A+1, B... etc confusing ;D :P
Yea i c wot u mean :-[
Quote from: CptMunta on February 18, 2011, 02:47:54 PM
Played it for the first time at starbase last night got owned but love it so far. You gotta see this not because commentating I was pretty overtired and hype) in a laughably poor manner but because Haggar and this guys Spencer is so godlike:
www.justin.tv/iplaywinner/b/279801144
Munta you are a legend bro, I was cracking up! ROBOT SEES THE FUTURE BITCH!!!!! :D
Man everything they said about this game before it come out is proving to be wrong. No infinites? Der's a few out already.
And they said that the netcode would be amazing as long as you keep it in the region. Liars!!! It's shit in the region. But i was playing some dudes from the states that were beast as, and it was the same lag as playing the Auckland boys hahaha. Might actually try get on one of those special PSN streams they do over there.
Fuck i keep getting confused as to which char is at which assist.
There are no infinites afaik. Some characters have 'loops' but because of hitstun decay, you can only get 2 or 3 reps.
Oh yeah also all missions done :D
Nah there's a Tron one that goes to 999 just saw it on iplaywinner. And on eventhubs there's that x 23 one that's even in the guide lol. WTF?
Quote from: massi4h on February 19, 2011, 12:53:43 AM
Oh yeah also all missions done :D
Haha try to act casual about it when you've probably been going crack addict on it for the past couple days and want an applause haha. I got a feeling your gonna be beast at this game bro.
x23 one is only with lvl 2 or 3 x factor active, tron bonnie inf is vs an assist sent if the point char is dead, or something. otherwise it's still the only legit inf discovered.
Weazzy bro its what you call "Too much time."
wrong , full infinite possible with akuma on sentinal in corner , no super , no x factor
ok its on sentinal and a number of other charcters ..........
check out desk new mvc3 combo vid , it s at the end .
akumas hurricane corner infinte loop
Was gonna post that. It's gumbus as.
Man, so much about BB did it all so right. Netcode, lobbies, button settings etc. Why couldn't they learn from that.
Oh yeah and that Akuma one lol.
Fucking dest is so beast. I hope they don't patch that. I'm getting into my Akuma now. Even though i just do lamest BnB ever, it still works hahah.
I dunno why I didn't even think about that. That's his staple infinite on Sent in mvc2. And na I haven't been playing THAT hard lol. I did only get it later yesterday.
I spent about three hours on thursday night trying to infinite sent
thought i had it with phoenix but that weird hit stun is strange to the point it looks like a combo but is not
I also tried out akuma but i did his old mvc2 style infinite j.L, j.M, j.M light medium hurricane
but what is desk using in his vid is it jump L xx H hurricane(so it hits on way up and down)
I bet Dante will be top tier. He is bloody awesome. Setups left right and centre. I been thrashing that hook thing that grabs them and fuck it's so easy to set up combo after that lol. I don't know how safe it is though. I bet it's unsafe as hell.
Alright so there's that one there too haha.
Most everything else labeled an infinite by some idiot is only a loop and it is not repeatable for eternity. I also think Super Skrull's loop can be done enough times for 100% damage without x factor, can't remember the video link or whether that's a fact, but if so add that to the list. From what I remember the timing is difficult but it's only like 2 moves, so it doesn't suffer from hit-stun decay badly.
Na he's doing just straight up tatsu on sent. That works in mvc2 but I find the lp, mp, hp, tatsu way easier.
I just tried doing it and was getting around 30 hits but I have no way to set it up properly yet.
So yeah on Sent it's pretty much instant air tatsu. Gotta get 4 hits.
Does akuma have an instant over head? and can you combo from a magic series or something into a jumping tatsu to get the hits? otherwise I guess obviously you could hit it off an assist if it tags sent, like tron bonne fire or something.
Damnit bksama ruined my 27 ranked win streak. Now I'm 32-2 lol. Online mixups are so funny.
@Chuckk yeah well any jump will instant overhead or else dive kick is an overhead, I just havent found the timing to land fast enough to start the tatsu loop yet.
Holy shit. Floes haggar is insane.
What's an instant overhead?
Any jump instant overhead? Shit bro, you probably mean online with lag lol.
for what its worth...
http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/115/1150933p1.html
"Due to the high volume of people playing MVC3 at launch, some are experiencing connection issues with online matches. We are looking into these issues in order to fix the problem and ensure a smooth online experience." Let's hope. In the meantime, who wants to drop by my place after work for a few matches of local play?
Where's you place? Is it in Glen Eden? lol Pm me bro.
this game makes so many people rage quit. crack up. Just had another DC on me, 'poptdp'
After reading this
"UPDATE: To anyone who thinks this stuff is broken. You've seen nothing yet. Absolutely nothing. I mean, I can't properly convey how little you've seen yet, seriously. Nothing at all."
I can't wait to see what else is possible and also what else Desk can pull off ;D
Me too. This will probably make all the chars viable ay?
Or wasn't MvC2 fulled with infinites and shit too though. Hmm
MvC2 mainly came down to mobility rather than out and out damage/combos/infinites. Chars with airdashes won out. Cable is pretty much the exception.
Oh yer tru.
dante has really good mobility. His new combo come out and it has a retartedly hard starter. I might drop him unless they find an easier one lol.
Also don't forget to tell people about this awesome site.
And firstbllood and w/e. So many people online. I can't even make a 2 man lobby and invite before somebody jumps in it.
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on February 19, 2011, 10:48:18 PM
Oh yer tru.
dante has really good mobility. His new combo come out and it has a retartedly hard starter. I might drop him unless they find an easier one lol.
Also don't forget to tell people about this awesome site.
And firstbllood and w/e. So many people online. I can't even make a 2 man lobby and invite before somebody jumps in it.
Yeah but most people tend to be from Singapore or Hong Kong etc. Dunno if there is any way to stop people outside NZ joining cos I already have the region setting to "SAME".
Anyone tried out spidey yet? Kinda hoping he ain't shit or only half shit
Quote from: redtie on February 19, 2011, 11:46:21 PM
Anyone tried out spidey yet? Kinda hoping he ain't shit or only half shit
Yupe i did ....Very good lots of canceling air dash...so much better than MVC2 version....
Combo to super so easy...
Im currently trying to figure out how to continue combo in to possible infinite ::)...hope soo...
He also has instant overhead with spidey swing (S+any attack button) so its kind of like an air dash but not
What's an instant overhead again? Like overhead on ground or jump instant overhead like Dante j.S?
And does anybody know if Phoenix is vunerable when she comes back as dark phoenix and does that explosion? Cos this dude i was playing went dark Phoenix and i accidently team supered (stupid command) and wasted her whole life bar. It was awesome and looked like i planned it. I tried asking him but he's not getting back to me lol.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on February 19, 2011, 10:52:45 PM
Yeah but most people tend to be from Singapore or Hong Kong etc. Dunno if there is any way to stop people outside NZ joining cos I already have the region setting to "SAME".
Yeah that's silly, but if you set language to ENGLISH in the filters it should get rid of them, it did for me anyway. Instant overhead pretty much just means a fast overhead so a rising jumping move usually counts. Generally something that's hard to block high on reaction.
Oh true. Isn't Akuma's sj. DK pretty easy to block high on reaction?
You playing Akuma too Mason? You learned that combo wich starts with L,m,h,f.H, dfdp? Fuck i just learned his dfdk BnB (finally) and saw that one. Was like 'aw fuck' lol.
You better not be playing Dante too kieeent. Have the same fucking team as me and half the player base lol. They so popular these chars. Luckily mine are the standard beasts on PSN.
I honestly think the meanest team would be deadpool/sent/Phoenix. I might try it. These are the hardest chars i've fought anyway lol.
edit: OMG fuck fucking dark phoenix in the fucking ass the bitch is too broken. Can't even move she kill whole team so easy. Her shit life means nothing when you can't move. And only way to beat her is to get a lucky random super. ANY TIPS YO!!!
Of course I'm playing akuma, not sure if he'll be on my main team yet though and yeah I can do that combo but the range is right off unless you're in the corner or you can hit confirm c.a, c.b to f.c it just feels weird. Not playing Dante just mess around with him now and then I just play him like Marn in the really old videos, don't even know half his moves.
And Dark Phoenix you just need to hit her lol. Stop doing random supers unless they have invincibility or you can safe DHC. So many idiots just waste like 4 bars of super with Dante by shooting out 4 jackpots in a row wtf. But na you just gotta hit her man or chip her before she x factors. When I was playing Alan yesterday in one of the games he had Phoenix vs my Sent. I got a launch into 3 hit combo and she died and turned into D.Ph. I fell to the ground and somehow landed on the other side. Pushed launch and killed her in another 3 hit combo lol.
I'm really having trouble seeing how people are expecting large tournament turnouts for this game...
Yeah I agree, it's like completely random thanks to X-factor nonsense.
hard to really know what capcom were thinking tbh.
maybe "hey mvc2 was broken as hell, thats still in competition, how about we release an even more random broken mess. they'l love it!"
Quote from: massi4h on February 20, 2011, 04:42:09 AM
And Dark Phoenix you just need to hit her lol. Stop doing random supers unless they have invincibility or you can safe DHC. So many idiots just waste like 4 bars of super with Dante by shooting out 4 jackpots in a row wtf. But na you just gotta hit her man or chip her before she x factors. When I was playing Alan yesterday in one of the games he had Phoenix vs my Sent. I got a launch into 3 hit combo and she died and turned into D.Ph. I fell to the ground and somehow landed on the other side. Pushed launch and killed her in another 3 hit combo lol.
Yer that's what i mean you have to get something on her randomly. Chipping her before she use x factor is pretty random. So many things can go wrong. Yer Dante million dollars is so unsafe. I don't do that shit. And 'just hit her' is pretty fucking hard when she lock down mix up your ass and kill you before you can do anything. Then you next char come out she do it again. Only way i've beat her was by doin random supers. After she throw fireball and i wait for teleport of something and just super. She can throw out a random Big bird thing to kill you if you try a random super too.
I'm not use to throws. Every time I want to start a combo with a lp, I get thrown. :-[
I think I'm playing this game wrong. An yeah Phoenix is a crazy ass bitch.
Quote from: amendonz on February 20, 2011, 10:30:14 AM
maybe "hey mvc2 was broken as hell, thats still in competition, how about we release an even more random broken mess. they'l love it!"
And we do! :D
Quote from: MistaTCR on February 20, 2011, 06:37:38 PM
I'm not use to throws. Every time I want to start a combo with a lp, I get thrown. :-[
I think I'm playing this game wrong. An yeah Phoenix is a crazy ass bitch.
I was lucky enough to see Ricky Ortiz and Fillipino champ play a bit today. Ryan and Ricky think it's always going to come down to phoenix vs phoenix. Ricky doesn't like it and doesn't think he'll pick it up sadly. FChamp is going to play it but still have ssf4 as his main game. FChamp thinks it still fun though.
I'll try and upload some casuals if I get the chance. I'll set it on link only for you guys. Dunno if it was John Choi or Ricky vs Ryan that I caught on video.
I still haven't had more than 10 games or so even. Just liked using Aurthur as the last guy on my team and ghouls and ghosting people to death ;)
Man what a lucky cunt, you're awesome Marc.
Quote from: CptMunta on February 20, 2011, 07:54:42 PM
Ricky doesn't like it and doesn't think he'll pick it up sadly
That's not a good sign :/
QuoteFChamp is going to play it
Also not a good sign lol
i hate mashed supers
Yer man fuck i was waiting for someone to reply with some awesome anti Phoenix shiz. Fuck.
And yer this games getting alot of mixed reactions. I like it. But i hate Phoenix. More then Sentinal.
I'm kinda guttered that the pros feel that way too. I thought they was gonna have the answer to her lol.
Well if you got a good mixup character like magneto you can try snap her in then jump at her and kill her in a basic combo before she has 5 bars. Could work with akuma maybe. I haven't seen a good one yet so I dunno what she's really capable of. Also with like akuma instead of mashing a random super, mash an uppercut and cancel into air super lol. That's much safer. Should be possible with others just gotta find what moves are invincible.
Quote from: massi4h on February 20, 2011, 10:02:36 PM
Well if you got a good mixup character like magneto you can try snap her in then jump at her and kill her in a basic combo before she has 5 bars. Could work with akuma maybe. I haven't seen a good one yet so I dunno what she's really capable of. Also with like akuma instead of mashing a random super, mash an uppercut and cancel into air super lol. That's much safer. Should be possible with others just gotta find what moves are invincible.
Haha that's a pretty good idea with Akuma mash uppercut. I didn't know mash DP was any good in this game cos don't know the properties of anything.
CAn you snapback any char out? And is hard tag more safer in this one then Mvc2. Cos it's hard to punish sometimes. Especially the dog. And it's a pretty good strat to just hard tag out ay lol. If your feeling it you know.
Akuma's heavy dp is invincible all the way up and combos into air super off the second hit. And when you snapback the assist button you push determines which assist character it pulls out. Actually I don't know how viable that is gonna be on Phoenix cause she could just hold her assist button down as shes coming in and teleport and then instant tag. Tags aren't safe but you pretty much gotta see them coming to get a full punish or else the best you'll get is a full screen super to punish.
Yer i know ay. Hard tags are almost safe the way you just throw it out there and the other guy like 'oh shit, aww fuck'. OK that other guy is mostly me. I try not to do it cos it's not safe. But after seeing it done by pro players and shit. I'm starting to think oh fuck it. I'll abuse it while people aren't clicked on yet.
It sucks how you can't air combo them if they super jump. I've been thrashing super jumps and drones. Feels gdlk as lol. Then stop and watch them super nothing lol. Use the mint dive kick Akuma and no hit, sj again lol.
Yo lenny that haggar pipe is so good
And does ryu beat arthur or is mine just shit?
I realized after a couple games that i had to play keep away against hulk and haggar till i could make you block so i could start some rush down cos 1 hit and i was toast
was good fun though
Played this for the first time today. I had it turned on for about 10 mins and started with the missions before Rory invited me to a game. He smashed me for like 3-4 games then left, so i went back to the missions. Got up to number 10 for wolverine but i'm just too retarded to time the player 2 assist and get it to combo. Gonna try the other char missions hopefully this week and try find someone i like that way. Trying to actually put a team together at the moment seems pointless. Playing Rory i just chose the random char select option and mashed moves the whole time to see what moves they did. lol.
posted on ozhadou.
MvC3 tournament rules discussion
« on: Yesterday at 07:52:47 PM »
Something that noodalls posted...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3hBgW4pVEc
The game can recognise 3 (4?) directions at once, this makes for some mega stupid option selects.
Should "hitbox" controllers, keyboards, control pads, etc, anything other than a standard arcade stick just be banned?
edit: it definitely recognises 4 directions at once, and pressing left+right on a control pad with the pad+stick automatically blocks overheads and crossups. However it doesn't look like you can OS escape air exchange combos...
Maybe an idea for us later on also posted on ozhadou
MVC3 - General Discussion / Re: PSN - Post match feedback
« Last post by CoolzInferno on Today at 01:36:07 AM »
Just a thought, but if we all set out language preferences to some sort of strangely distinct language (like Polski, Italiano, Francais, Korean...) and decide on that as a universal for the forum, we could probably set up Ranked matches between us since I believe the system would only match up people who have also chosen those settings.
The problem then would be just not being able to get a game at all with people who are totally unaware of 'the code'. Assuming there were an organized time where everyone would play ranked, this would probably help avoid playing a million random Singaporeans and Malaysians thouh.
Quote from: CaptainHook on February 21, 2011, 02:22:29 AM
i'm just too retarded to time the player 2 assist and get it to combo
In general I think with most of those combos the trick is to press the assist at the same time as the button preceding it in the combo. That's certainly how a lot of those combos worked in MvC2, and so far has been my experience with MvC3 as well.
yeah that's true alan. I was trying to figure it out yesterday and it seemed to work for the few assist combos I tried to get.
It looks to me as if the region setting for ranked matches is based on a more global scale, so we are in asia pacific or something, unlike street fighter where it is based solely on country. I think it's quite good because we get to play both kiwis and australians without having to change our country in the xbox settings.
Oh cool, thanks for the tip Alan, i'll give that a try.
I'm sure most of you have read/seen this but
http://shoryuken.com/content/tragic-s-training-mode-adventures-part-10-marvel-vs-capcom-3-bolo-loops-3677/
Taking out a character in one combo seems a little extreme, but that Ryu one was insane
Quote from: LN on February 21, 2011, 07:37:24 AM
In general I think with most of those combos the trick is to press the assist at the same time as the button preceding it in the combo. That's certainly how a lot of those combos worked in MvC2, and so far has been my experience with MvC3 as well.
Doesn't seem to work with this particular combo..
I think because you have to time the assist after launching the opponent, doing M M H S in the air and then the assist has to come after you've both hit the ground?
Timing must be quite tight which is why i suck. I still don't understand how people can do one frame links reliably. That's WAY more accurate with timing
than even the BEST musicians in this country i've ever recorded. ??? (a large part of my recording day would be to typically shift timing and make it more accurate
in music.. haha)
Anyway, i'll keep this tip in mind for other combos, but does anyone have any hints on this? Just accept defeat and move on? LOL.
Do your air combo slower so you're closer to the ground and can call your assist faster.
Cool thanks, i'll keep trying. If i do it too slow the S misses from the air combo.. Maybe i need to wait a bit longer before starting the whole air combo itself..?
Maybe i'll start a missions thread so this stuff is easier to find for other retards like me.
lenny's power is maximum at this game :D
Back on a console oi?
Haha. Been getting loads of hate with my TROLL TEAM!! RYU/HAGGAR/MORRIGAN!!!
Check this out!:
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2215/ragers.png) (http://img140.imageshack.us/i/ragers.png/)
Lol nice one Lenny, I've gotten no hate mail for sentinel or anyone level 3 x factor comebacks. Your team is pretty annoying but I just laugh it off. I gotta remember to use Sent's command grab a whole lot more.
Nice work lenny! :)
Haahahah. Shot LEn meister.
I reeally wanna play your troll team now ay lol. Haven't played a good Morrigan. When she does that super that's like a mirror is it really good and broken? Hven't seen shit about it yet. Except some guy that pulled it out but died straight away from my lvl 3 Sent.
These guys need to pick some Sent.
I only get messages asking me if i want to boost trophies lol. I get rq's but they don't message me back shit. DO we still get the win? Or do thye just get a loss? One guy RQ at the perfeect time. Like 1 chip of health left. I msgd him saying ' nice Rq bro lol, right on time'. He just said ' Yer lol.
Lol that's so awesome Lenny.
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on February 21, 2011, 05:53:48 PM
Haven't played a good Morrigan. When she does that super that's like a mirror is it really good and broken? Hven't seen shit about it yet. Except some guy that pulled it out but died straight away from my lvl 3 Sent.
Rofl you think his morrigan even gets played? She's solely there to spam as an assist for meter
The mirror super isn't that broken really, although combining it with soulfist xx fly xx soulfist xx unfly is pretty buff.
Quote from: LN on February 21, 2011, 06:00:03 PM
Rofl you think his morrigan even gets played? She's solely there to spam as an assist for meter
The mirror super isn't that broken really, although combining it with soulfist xx fly xx soulfist xx unfly is pretty buff.
She has a flight mode? Rad!
Lol Lenny. Alan showed me she can cancel specials into fly so you can do uppercut, fly, uppercut as a combo ender but desk I think it was was doing some mean shit with her fly.
I highly recommend people try this team. Its fucking incredible.
Has anyone got a sick Bnb with Storm? The fancier I try to get ie jump canceled H into j. MMH land etc, the less damage I get. It seems like magic series, launch, magic series, 3 LA xx Super is the best I'm getting. This can't be right:|
Quote from: Chuckk on February 21, 2011, 08:03:11 PM
Has anyone got a sick Bnb with Storm? The fancier I try to get ie jump canceled H into j. MMH land etc, the less damage I get. It seems like magic series, launch, magic series, 3 LA xx Super is the best I'm getting. This can't be right:|
c.L, c.M, c.H, jump cancel, Down-forward Attack+S, land, B, jump cancel, Down-forward Attack+S, land, B, C, Launch, then etc.
Quote from: Chuckk on February 21, 2011, 08:03:11 PM
Has anyone got a sick Bnb with Storm? The fancier I try to get ie jump canceled H into j. MMH land etc, the less damage I get. It seems like magic series, launch, magic series, 3 LA xx Super is the best I'm getting. This can't be right:|
Yer bro that's what i was getting with Dante and shit. It's fucked like that ay. The damage scaling works backwards somehow. Pissed off cos i learned this after i learned all the hard as combo's. Then had to try get used to my shit ones again lol.
Man so many teams i wanna try. I forgot Morrigan was in the game.
Yo Kungs, I just noticed, after I've played online, when I go back to Training Mode it has defaulted training mode to 4 bars for online lag, not lag free.
FUCKKK.
All this time thinking man lenny gave me a hard bnb, notice that, turn it off, and no problems.
Remember to swap this if you can (or don't play online). But I played online before the weekend and just went back. FFFFFFUUUUUUU.
OK I'm not going back to the SRK Storm forums for a while. I just read about 10 different posts of people saying they developed a new combo and it's just the bnb...
Quote from: massi4h on February 22, 2011, 01:38:07 AM
OK I'm not going back to the SRK Storm forums for a while. I just read about 10 different posts of people saying they developed a new combo and it's just the bnb...
Hahahahahaahhahaahahhahh. I was laughing at you looking on SRK for Sent strats.
Yer it's pretty dead and unorganised ay.
And are you sure it does that chuk? Cos i been doin it heaps and didn't notice it lagging in training.
edit: Fuck i must be tired i though that said Sent not Storm lol.
What combos are you guys using i've been learning tragics combos from youtube have them at about 80% they take good damage but they're really hard to use online, was just curious if your learning these combos or if its better to learn basic ones.
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on February 22, 2011, 01:54:27 AM
Hahahahahaahhahaahahhahh. I was laughing at you looking on SRK for Sent strats.
Yer it's pretty dead and unorganised ay.
And are you sure it does that chuk? Cos i been doin it heaps and didn't notice it lagging in training.
I can't guarantee it, maybe mine's defaulted to that for some reason, but both of the 2 times I've been online, and then gone to training mode, it's been set to 4 bars not 5. So keep an eye out for it at least.
And yeah Mason storm forums are ass. All those combos they post are the same shit and I think the bnb lenny suggested does more damage than jc MMH.
Bro you want me to post up your scrubby questions in the Akuma forum? I've kept quiet about them for you lol.
@Flash, pretty much use whatever looks like a bnb. I usually go for the best damaging combo but when online usually go for easier ones. Like I can do those fancy x-23 combos but with online lag it's almost impossible for me so I usually just go magic series to launch to bbc dive, otg ankle slicer.
A lot of trag's combos are very execution based and really situational, alot of them have extra flash in rather than damage, so really you just wanna get down your strongest combos from the corner and midscreen per character, get familiar with those (pretty much dial em in whenever you hit confirm) then start using other setups that might give mixups or whatever, but yeah I generally stick to mildly basic bnbs and add a bit of fancyness if I need to.
Haha bro that's some other guy. I knew those combo's day one cos i'm beast like J Wong. Fuck, i shoulda use different name so you's don't know it's me. Fuck.
I'm pretty sure your one of the noobs on there too lol.
Oi I never said it had any invulnerability I just said it's good for getting in on Deadpool then said in the next post it has some startup. I guess I better go away with it now, Akuma's teleport has a 14 frame vulnerable startup (dumb) but it does have an only 4 frame recovery and is super cancelleable the whole way through. Still both Akuma's and Dante's teleports aren't fast enough to punish a dumbass fullscreen Dante super.
If you want to play online, dont bother learning combos. Just learn Haggar/Hulk/Sent and pair two of them with the morrigan meter assist. You are now godlike at MVC3 online.
I just got cheesed by solo phoenix with 5bar hyper who turned into dark phoenix with kfc activated. total wtf cheese.
So a lot of people seem to be talking about Haggars pipe being strong. Is this just his Heavy Attack? What does it do?
Quote from: CrazyMobius on February 22, 2011, 08:48:52 AM
So a lot of people seem to be talking about Haggars pipe being strong. Is this just his Heavy Attack? What does it do?
It bounces them off the ground. from which Haggar can do half life on most characters using no meter. You do it by jumping and pressing down+C.
Haggar is the anti rushdown. Hes not bad, but gets zoned out pretty easily.
Quote from: Lennysaurus on February 22, 2011, 08:53:14 AM
It bounces them off the ground. from which Haggar can do half life on most characters using no meter. You do it by jumping and pressing down+C.
Haggar is the anti rushdown. Hes not bad, but gets zoned out pretty easily.
Ah thanks.
It also seems to beat EVERYTHING.
It's because everything needs to be nerfed ;D
Another amazing online tactic with sent is drones over and over
Easy as shit to get out of off line but its like throw breaks on sf4 online
Also whats the best character for meter building I have been using thor d,d+H with hagar lariat to get people off me but there must be a better way to do it than that
Morrigan assist.
Or Amaterasu assist if you dont like Morrigan. But Amaterasu stays out longer, so its not as good.
Quote from: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on February 22, 2011, 12:00:12 PM
Or Amaterasu assist if you dont like Morrigan. But Amaterasu stays out longer, so its not as good.
Are they the only two meter building assists in the game ?
Yes?
Fuck sentinal
so many times i rape a team only to have them mash cr.m or s and win it
Stop playing like a scrub then :P. No point trying to smash sentinel when he's just eaten a bucket of KFC, just block and turtle, run away, don't call assists. Block, push block, he'll eventually get hungry again but won't have any more money for KFC, then you can pewpewpew him.
Yeah his chip is ludicrous in xfactor though.
Try to save your xfactor as long as possible. Then when the time is right, UNLEASH YOUR OWN LVL3 XFACTOR SENTINEL!
even without xfactor cr.m or s randomly to combo then xfactor usually means 2 dead characters and 1 chipped to death
i always save my xfc but its not that usefull to chip with my team so i almost always take 1 cr.m/s to the face
Its even harder online trying to block sent hi/low when they just jump at you in the corner
Yeah the chip is crazy but if you still have three characters and he has KFC sentinel left then i'd be happy to lose one character to chip if he loses x factor.
Shot Smoof for the MvC3 jam at your place... oh wait...
Quote from: Pinolicious on February 22, 2011, 06:23:21 PM
Shot Smoof for the MvC3 jam at your place... oh wait...
OHHHHH SNAP. DARREN PUYAT UP IN THIS BITCH.
What team are you using Barnstorm ? There's bound to be SOMETHING you can do
I agree. Sent with x-factor lvl 3 is just a constant struggle and if you are hit you are dead. One thing I recommend is try to catch him when he is out as an assist. Lots of people like to spam assist with him (even me). I have caught many a sentinel on assist for massive damage. Then when he does come in he is quite low. Also remember he cannot x-factor till he hits the ground so on his way in sometimes I beam him with akuma dhc to storm and can kill him with chip before he x-factors.
Lvl3 xfactor is retarded with whatever character has it. Its just super retarded with sent since its so easy to score a high damage combo with him.
I wish MODOK was decent, he can fly away anytime for a good 8 seconds
MODOK has potential. Hes just difficult to get the hang of.
Quote from: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on February 22, 2011, 08:15:33 PM
Lvl3 xfactor is retarded with whatever character has it.
Is Lv3 xfactor when only one character is alive?
Yea.
cheers birry for this link
http://shoryuken.com/content/only-problem-mvc3-you-3694/
Really good article, not just relating to mvc3 but, well, just about anything really. Just a good thing to keep in mind when thinking or discussing some of the elements of these games.
Not pointed at anyone in particular, and definitely not meaning to push the ending notes of 'stop crying', just the actual examples and comparisons in the rest of the text.
Haha.
Killer Article
Quote from: electric on February 22, 2011, 07:56:44 PM
What team are you using Barnstorm ? There's bound to be SOMETHING you can do
My team is morrigan x23 and doom
I usually rush down sent cos i think morrigan beats him since her jump.S breaks his armor
But if that cr.m catches its gg
That guys major argument was that there are less characters. I don't think he understands how game production works.
or that 85% of those characters were useless.
It;s just the zoom at 1.41 ish. AMAZING, had me cracking up.
Quote from: massi4h on February 22, 2011, 01:38:07 AM
OK I'm not going back to the SRK Storm forums for a while. I just read about 10 different posts of people saying they developed a new combo and it's just the bnb...
just exploded in rage at the SRK Storm forum after seeing ANOTHER person suggest they discovered c LMH jc MMH. FFFSSSS jesus.
also double post sorry.
Just played the biggest faggot I've ever played in any game in my life (no it's not Birry Wong).
His GT was JUSTIN BIEBEER. Pretty much he has a massive lag switch forcing our game to make every 1 second in the game about 10-20 seconds in real life no joke. The game couldn't even read any special moves from me I had to slow down my inputs really slow and still nothing would come out. He starts out with Arthur and runs to one side at the start, then keeps throwing that axe at me and I pretty much can't do anything. Just before he won the connection dropped lol. Honestly I want this faggot banned, he's got a 50 something to 9 win/loss ratio and the thing is you don't wanna quit against him or else you could be soon put into the ragequit bin and not have anyone to play with.
Yes I'm mad.
hahaha get trolled
Quote from: massi4h on February 23, 2011, 12:43:41 AM
Just played the biggest faggot I've ever played in any game in my life (no it's not Birry Wong).
An insult about me being a faggot? Wow. This must be what 'being Mason' feels like. Except less gay, because i'm not Mason.
Woah woah woah, I'm not the one with a flying smiling penis as my avatar. Mine's a 10 year old anime character. Take that!
Quote from: massi4h on February 23, 2011, 12:43:41 AM
the thing is you don't wanna quit against him or else you could be soon put into the ragequit bin and not have anyone to play with.
You gotta do a lot more quitting than that to get put in hell.
Bahaha, after a solid night of learning some basic Sent BnB, I thought yes, now I can smash noobs on the internets!
LEVEL 3 KFC SENT, I CHOOSE YOU!
3 games, 3 losses :( I'm doing something wrong...
Quote from: LN on February 23, 2011, 07:28:19 AM
You gotta do a lot more quitting than that to get put in hell.
Yeah I read in the manual that it says intentional disconnections "restrict" your online play. Interesting idea.
Quote from: massi4h on February 23, 2011, 12:43:41 AM
Just played the biggest faggot I've ever played in any game in my life (no it's not Birry Wong).
His GT was JUSTIN BIEBEER. Pretty much he has a massive lag switch forcing our game to make every 1 second in the game about 10-20 seconds in real life no joke. The game couldn't even read any special moves from me I had to slow down my inputs really slow and still nothing would come out. He starts out with Arthur and runs to one side at the start, then keeps throwing that axe at me and I pretty much can't do anything. Just before he won the connection dropped lol. Honestly I want this faggot banned, he's got a 50 something to 9 win/loss ratio and the thing is you don't wanna quit against him or else you could be soon put into the ragequit bin and not have anyone to play with.
Yes I'm mad.
Played that guy last night. I just turned my xbox off after a minute. I cant believe you played him for the whole match. That was Viewtiful Joe Slow Mo x 10.
on xbox you can go on his profile and file a report against him if you do you shouldn't get paired up against him.
I have also played the justin beiber guy
he used sent and did drones over and over again and I couldnt jump out because of lag
I messaged him and said
"only online will that work"
he replied "piss off cunt"
Quote from: LN on February 22, 2011, 10:03:57 PM
http://shoryuken.com/content/only-problem-mvc3-you-3694/
Interesting read, although could have easily been summarised as;
the designers wanted the game to be easy for noobs to give them a chance, dont worry pros will win anyway, stop whining and let everyone figure out the game before claiming how broken it is.
I think the examples of imba in other games he uses are bad, because he implies that they were intentionally made that way. But IMO stuff like 6 pool and noob tube are just stuff that is difficult to predict that they would be too strong, or if they are made weaker it can make them pointless or affect other aspects of the game.
I think XFC is the biggest question right now with the game, and to me it seems too strong, partly because level 3 is so strong, and partly because damage is so high in general. The characters themselves will get worked out, and maybe some of them do need balancing, but that is fine in itself. I kind of wonder whether XFC should have been defensive only, giving immunity to chip, regen, and the potential to use it to interrupt, or maybe super armor.
I don't see how noob tube could not have been noticed as considerably potent, unless absolutely 0 field testing was done... but yeah, you're not wrong.
Well CoD tournaments don't use perks and attachments anyway so noob tubes are just for online casual pubs which I don't see a problem with anyway. People can cry about your noob tube but then you kill them and then they lie on the ground and bust out their pistol and shoot you or they get a chopper. But yeah good article.
It's not like the game came out and the competition ruleset was already defined with only basic perks like bandolier, it had to be determined at some point. Sure NOW you can say 'oh that's only on pubs', but 1 week after game release it wasn't the case.
Noob toobing isn't even that imba. Yes, I hate it with a vengeance, but it's kinda like quick scoping. If a whole team of tubers / quick scopers verses a whole team just playing normally, more often than not the second team would win. It's not really going to give you too much of an advantage, you're just not playing the game fairly or in a way that the designers intended.
Toobing is just a cheap dirty kill (or with scavenger or one man army (mw2) constant cheap dirty kills), and the main reason why it's so annoying is because in a 1v1 when you come up against a tuber, with lag etc etc, he'll just 1 shot you and blarg, there's your streak gone.
But back on topic, Wesker seems hard to use. Just scrub mashing and doing the noob LMHS jump LMHS etc kinda stuff doesn't work well.
Quote from: originaljulz on February 23, 2011, 01:13:37 PM
Noob toobing isn't even that imba. Yes, I hate it with a vengeance, but it's kinda like quick scoping. If a whole team of tubers / quick scopers verses a whole team just playing normally, more often than not the second team would win. It's not really going to give you too much of an advantage, you're just not playing the game fairly or in a way that the designers intended.
Toobing is just a cheap dirty kill (or with scavenger or one man army (mw2) constant cheap dirty kills), and the main reason why it's so annoying is because in a 1v1 when you come up against a tuber, with lag etc etc, he'll just 1 shot you and blarg, there's your streak gone.
But back on topic, Wesker seems hard to use. Just scrub mashing and doing the noob LMHS jump LMHS etc kinda stuff doesn't work well.
I think the biggest issue with the noob tube is that it is attached to a assault rifle because its at least 2 kills with the tube then what ever else you can get with the gun
World at war got it right by only being usable on a semi auto gun
Also have you guys seen this last match around 44min this is the kind of thing i was talking about with sent and your in the corner
OK well Julian, first of all air combos are almost always best using mmhs rather than lmhs. But basically a good standard combo with Wesker is c.l, c.m, c.h xx ghost butterfly xx l teleport, (m, h,) s, j.m, j.m, j.h, j.s or maximum wesker. If you end with j.s you can otg with df+h and either cancel with a teleport for mixups or throw it out with an assist then combo into maximum wesker or level 3. Dante's assist works real well for this, other assists mainly only work in the corner.
God that's confusing. But I will do my best to learn that.
Lol Doom, Dante, Wesker is still fun to play even though I don't reeeeally know what I'm doing. I do better with Ryu, Akuma, Ironman lol.
Bro sort it out, you play BB this shit should be childsplay :P :-*
Well here's a vid that just came out:
Quote from: geneterror on February 23, 2011, 02:44:01 PM
Bro sort it out, you play BB this shit should be childsplay :P :-*
..true that.
Quote from: geneterror on February 23, 2011, 02:44:01 PM
Bro sort it out, you play BB this shit should be childsplay :P :-*
Absolutely :P
Also that Wesker video is pretty boring, but it gives you a rough idea of what he can do. I've found he's actually one of the most tame when it comes to combos - he's quite linear and doesn't have anything awesome like jump cancelable or dash cancelable normals.
Man, only first week and already i feel like i'm MILES behind. Watching as many vids/reading as much as i can though.
Quote from: CaptainHook on February 23, 2011, 03:41:35 PM
Man, only first week and already i feel like i'm MILES behind. Watching as many vids/reading as much as i can though.
At least you can actually PLAY the game - I haven't really had much hands on time with it yet simply because I can't hold the fucking stick properly. Fuck you, full arm cast.
Oh bro, I forgot about your arm. Hard times, that must be torture :'(
Quote from: CaptainHook on February 23, 2011, 03:41:35 PM
Man, only first week and already i feel like i'm MILES behind. Watching as many vids/reading as much as i can though.
i cant even play the game, but im not too fussed.
the gunshow will prevail :D
Quote from: electric on February 23, 2011, 03:50:27 PM
At least you can actually PLAY the game - I haven't really had much hands on time with it yet simply because I can't hold the fucking stick properly. Fuck you, full arm cast.
What happened? :(
Get violent with the wanking birry wong styles? :D
My thundergrip is too strong even for my enormous penis. Hook needs to bend over so i can give it more of a workout.
Quote from: CaptainHook on February 23, 2011, 04:12:38 PM
What happened? :(
Believe it or not, it's even GAYER than masturbating with BIRRY WONG
Fractured the elbow joint (apparently it's awful - one of the worst bones you can fracture) while playing indoor netball - we were 30 points ahead with 2 minutes left when I did it.
FML
I dont think anyone was talking about people team masturbating with me Eru. Nigga dat shit be weird.
And also shame.
Quote from: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on February 23, 2011, 04:46:50 PM
I dont think anyone was talking about people team masturbating with me Eru. Nigga dat shit be weird.
Fuck - gotta stop day dreaming. Sorry guys
Oh damn. Sorry to hear about that. The netball thing i mean.
dam that sucks eru
on a brighter note , my mvc3 guide just shipped from mighty ape
yay !!!!!!!!!!
YES. Mine too.
Why the fuck does this game not allow custom search when searching for matches my last ten games have felt like i was under water
I cant even land simple combos so frustrating
So is akuma hurricane punishable or is it lag?
and how do you stop amaterasu rush down?
yeah i don't know wtf is up with akumas hurricane kick but i get smashed by that shit so often online.
dog's rushdown is infuriating online as well, mash f+h and you get so much free damage. dog doing that + akuma tatsu assist is annoying as well. if i get stuck in the corner against a dog i just block as much as I can, push block after the assist finishes then make an escape. or push block then use an assist that gets shit off you like haggar lariat. I've changed from storms hurricane to her lighting uppercut thing to help with this.
Finally got some decent time with the game. Only played one online match and it was laggying crazy as hell.
SF4 made my hands fat and lazy. Having trouble keeping up with the basics on mission mode even lol.
Super Skrull is too much fun though. The MvC3 guide is the shit and has alot of good strats even helps with the basics. Having fun vs my brother, fun game :)
..... Pushblock?
Push block = Advancing guard
I can't break the habit of calling it Push block from MvC2.
http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Push_Block_%28MvC2%29
I meant to punish all this stuff haha
I was wondering why you were asking what seemed like such an obvious question haha :P
Cast is off mother fuckers raaaaaaaah!!!
Quote from: electric on February 24, 2011, 10:53:42 AM
Cast is off mother fuckers raaaaaaaah!!!
Won't make you any better. You know this right?
Quote from: [SAS]karizzma on February 24, 2011, 11:55:34 AM
Won't make you any better. You know this right?
Suck my beans
yay the mvc3 guide arrived
holy fuck its an amazing guide , i sorta feel bad for you guys that dont get it , frame datas awesome and some of the shit it talks about in regards to team combinations , what assists for what reasons etc is fucking amazing .
go buy it you tekes
I wanna buy it now but MA won't get it to me for 4-8 weeks :(
I really want some of that frame data
Mine is apparently 'with a courier' but it still hasnt arrived. WHERE IS MY GUIDE DAMMIT
If you haven't got it yet you probably wont get it until tomorrow =(
Hmm... orderered from M.Ape cause they gave me a $10 discount, but it's gonna be forever when I get it :(
Quote from: HoneyBadger on February 24, 2011, 03:52:20 PM
If you haven't got it yet you probably wont get it until tomorrow =(
Its fucking bullshit. It says it was with a courier this morning at fucking 6:22.
So what's the deal with the titles on license cards before online games? Mine says Beginner. I've finished arcade mode on very hard, I've smashed multiple people online (not ranked) but I'm still a beginner. My win ratio is 75% or something.
Some people have titles like 9th Iron Lord or some crap, I go to play them and think "damn this guy is gonna be good" only to find out that's not the case at all. Why am I stuck with Beginner?
its because the game has analysed your play style and recognises your true skill level...
jk, lol i can't even do level 8 missions in this game ;D
it's actually based on ranked. If you play more ranked, your title thing will increase. So yeah, we all know how shitty matchmaking is lol.
Quote from: Pinolicious on February 24, 2011, 04:20:56 PM
Hmm... orderered from M.Ape cause they gave me a $10 discount, but it's gonna be forever when I get it :(
Lol is your birthday any time soon? I got $10 off because it's my bday on the 7th of March.
And I preordered but their supplier didn't send enough so now I have to wait, and I've pretty much been lumped with Mason. Sucks balls.
My birthday is 6th of March! Shot julz for being awesome. Haha.
Nah we both awesome. Is that us getting plastered for our bdays? Plans sorted lol :D
I'll be in Wellington for Homegrown. Turning 30. Fuck.
Deeeeeeeeyam. I thought I was old turning 20 haha.
Stink. But true.
How were your 20's? I'm guttered I won't be a kid any more. Gotta be a mature adult :D
Quote from: originaljulz on February 24, 2011, 05:45:29 PM
How were your 20's? I'm guttered I won't be a kid any more. Gotta be a mature adult :D
Bwahaha fuck being mature, I'm the worlds youngest 35yr old.
Still haven't played online yet. Played arcade once. All I do is training mode but man is it fun. I do the same combo 100 reps or some shit and don't realize it. Then looking for the right assists for my team. Time eater
Quote from: originaljulz on February 24, 2011, 05:45:29 PM
How were your 20's? I'm guttered I won't be a kid any more. Gotta be a mature adult :D
They were awesome but don't blink or they'll be over. Trust me. :(
redtie ~ i've played online twice (rory and kurt) and got smashed both times so went back to training. LOL.
training mode is only so useful sometimes its good to try out stuff against a real person but take into account it is online and some stuff seems so good when there is lag
It looks like my ranked win ratio has glitched and im back to 0 wins
Bit odd but i kept my rank
Shadow Mode pack 1 (free) and the first costume pack are out now :)
Quote from: geneterror on February 24, 2011, 05:51:46 PM
Bwahaha fuck being mature, I'm the worlds youngest 35yr old.
Only until BeNeDiCt reaches 35.
Quote from: HoneyBadger on March 02, 2011, 08:51:48 AM
Only until BeNeDiCt reaches 35.
37 here ... Midgets lol
peeped the alt costumes while i was at u-mans today.
i reckon dante came out tops, if only because his devil trigger super is the sparda one. if only the sword transformed into sparda too :(
GIVE IT BACK TRISH YOU SKANK
Oh man i was wondering if that hes Devil Trigger was any different looking. Didn't get my hopes high enough for Sparda though. Fuck that sucks.
edit: And i don't even think he's got different coulors for that alternate either???
And lol at my post. That's the worse looking grammar i've ever done. Fucking weed mane.
The developers suck. I don't feel any special fuzzy feeling in beating them like I hoped :(
Hey anyone have any suggestions on how to beat projectile spam?
Who are you playing as and what assists do you have backing them up?
superjump
^^^ pretty much!
I love how this game online makes people rage like nothing I've experienced in SSF4. I get ragequit on a fair amount, hell even by people on my friends list haha. People trying to preserve their "good" win ratio in ranked. Faster game makes people get frustrated easier too I guess... Maybe maining wesker isn't helping. Either way, all the above makes me laugh.
Quote from: Dafid on March 03, 2011, 10:00:55 AM
I love how this game online makes people rage like nothing I've experienced in SSF4. I get ragequit on a fair amount, hell even by people on my friends list haha. People trying to preserve their "good" win ratio in ranked. Faster game makes people get frustrated easier too I guess... Maybe maining wesker isn't helping. Either way, all the above makes me laugh.
This game has a hidden system whereby people that ragequit too much get flagged as ragequitters and can only play other ragequitters until they stop doing it.
Quote from: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on March 03, 2011, 11:49:26 AM
This game has a hidden system whereby people that ragequit too much get flagged as ragequitters and can only play other ragequitters until they stop doing it.
Unfortunately most of the time you're lucky to find even one person on ranked or even in lobbies within our region at the moment. Dunno if ragequitter hell is a good thing for us yet, depending on how it works.
Gotta start getting more into this community so i can get some offline battles in haha
So add the people in our xbl forum and then play against them directly _b
The matchmaking in mvc3 is pretty horrible.
Yer hard. I know what you mean with nobody wanting to play aswell. I had this problem the first week this game was out. I think they were all training.
It doesnt take long to learn a team in this game. They probably learning all the chars or something. Took me two days to learn what i still know to this day with my team (Dante/Akuma/Sent). THe rest came with actually playing and learning matchup strats.
Add the guys from this forum and hopefully it will help you get the quantity and quality of games you are after.
Yeah something's messed up with it. I can leave it for 3 hours waiting for ranked from like 9pm to midnight and not ever find a ranked match. Got no room for friends but if any of you guys see me online through someone else's friend's list (Lenny, Blackstar, Gino, Fluxcore, couple others) chuck me an invite.
Yer ranked find all the laaggiest matches ever. I get ranks pretty good. From just trying over and over till i get one. But i left it cos it was too lag. Atleast i got rid of the shitty beginner title lol. I think fighter sounds better than 7th lord anyway haha.
If you just go search lobby and have the region on any. You can just go by how many bars they got. And most of USA is 4 bars which is obviously the best your gonna get if nobody from your region is playing.
But yer, just play people on your friends list. I'll ask like 7 people over and over before sombody actually wants to play me. So make sure you get heaps of peeps.
This game sucks online though. SSF4 as really fucking good compared to this shit. You can't block heaps of shit on reaction. It took me a while to notice. But i'll badly be blocking for like half a second then see my guy get hit like wtf.
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 03, 2011, 03:33:07 PM
But yer, just play people on your friends list. I'll ask like 7 people over and over before sombody actually wants to play me. So make sure you get heaps of peeps.
Stink am I like the 7th person you ask to play? lol But yeah I'm having trouble finding others to play and I'm not keen on searching since region isn't the same even when it's set on same >:(
Quote from: Nick4now on March 03, 2011, 03:39:47 PM
Stink am I like the 7th person you ask to play? lol But yeah I'm having trouble finding others to play and I'm not keen on searching since region isn't the same even when it's set on same >:(
Nah man if you actually online when i jump on. Your the first person i ask. I've only been getting lucky like that lately though.
Actually since I'm 5th or 6th rank maybe people have the default filters on and that's why I'm not getting any challenges...
Quote from: samurai black on March 03, 2011, 09:41:17 AM
superjump
I usually get stuffed at the start of my super jump animation. Also when I get to them they end up passing under me and going to the other side.
Also does anyone have any suggestions on how to beat turtling?
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 03, 2011, 02:21:54 PM
Yer hard. I know what you mean with nobody wanting to play aswell. I had this problem the first week this game was out. I think they were all training.
It doesnt take long to learn a team in this game. They probably learning all the chars or something. Took me two days to learn what i still know to this day with my team (Dante/Akuma/Sent). THe rest came with actually playing and learning matchup strats.
Add the guys from this forum and hopefully it will help you get the quantity and quality of games you are after.
I'm still finding playing matches with people incredibly frustrating. So just trying to play random strangers at the moment. Hopefully the strategy guide will have lots of info to fill the gaps.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on March 03, 2011, 08:50:40 PM
I usually get stuffed at the start of my super jump animation. Also when I get to them they end up passing under me and going to the other side.
Also does anyone have any suggestions on how to beat turtling?
Find an instant, long range super. Smash the assist. When you discourage them from calling an assist to help them zone you out, it becomes a lot easier to fight keepaway, since they cant effectively cover as much of the screen.
Turtling? If theyre just sitting there blocking, then you should be able to beat them with damn near anything tbh. Elaborate a bit on what you mean by this. Are they waiting for your rushdown, then calling haggar and smashing you? Or by 'turtling' do you mean playing keepaway/runaway?
Quote from: CrazyMobius on March 03, 2011, 08:50:40 PM
Also does anyone have any suggestions on how to beat turtling?
If they got Haggar assist. Fuck knows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I punished him after assist though really. At the end you can punish him. Didn't test it though. Just from playing Nick. Fuck i really gotta stop ducking training mode lol.
haggar assist doesnt hit low tho, so maybe get in low at the end of his spin and use a ranged assist of some sort to cover your approach.
Quote from: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on March 03, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
Turtling? If theyre just sitting there blocking, then you should be able to beat them with damn near anything tbh. Elaborate a bit on what you mean by this. Are they waiting for your rushdown, then calling haggar and smashing you? Or by 'turtling' do you mean playing keepaway/runaway?
Just blocking. It seems all I can do is try and throw them but that doesn't really do that much damage. If I rush down they can easily block my aerial attack set ups. It really feels like I'm missing something really obvious.
tell us what team you're using. probably be able to provide better advice than the rather generic stuff on offer so far.
Pick magneto and rush them down. And chuck in akumas tatsu assist. There you go, now they can't block lol. Or depending on your team you could try set up unblockables. If you have a low assist practice timing something in where you maybe go jab+assist then jump and do an overhead and see if they hit together. But really just blocking alot isn't very effective in this game imo. So hard to block some things and if you're not attacking then how can you do any damage. Generally you need characters with more mobility to get in though. You don't wanna try break their defense with say Ryu/Chris/Thor.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on March 03, 2011, 11:05:39 PM
Just blocking. It seems all I can do is try and throw them but that doesn't really do that much damage.
I've only really played some friends that don't play fighting games who just mash so far, but what i found worked on them was having some
instant assist that lasts a little bit to make them block.. if they block high i crouch attack and get the feet into combo, if blocked low overhead into death.
Works on scrubs who are worse than me (and i'm fucking useless), prob on no one else though. LOL.
Edit// Oh mason just answered. Listen to him, not my crap. Haha.
Quote from: samurai black on March 03, 2011, 10:56:56 PM
haggar assist doesnt hit low tho, so maybe get in low at the end of his spin and use a ranged assist of some sort to cover your approach.
Harder done than said :P Get your PS3 fixed so we can play!!
Quote from: samurai black on March 03, 2011, 11:39:24 PM
tell us what team you're using. probably be able to provide better advice than the rather generic stuff on offer so far.
What he said. Get your PS3 fixed so we can play!!
Quote from: CaptainHook on March 03, 2011, 11:50:42 PM
I've only really played some friends that don't play fighting games who just mash so far, but what i found worked on them was having some
instant assist that lasts a little bit to make them block.. if they block high i crouch attack and get the feet into combo, if blocked low overhead into death.
Works on scrubs who are worse than me (and i'm fucking useless), prob on no one else though. LOL.
Edit// Oh mason just answered. Listen to him, not my crap. Haha.
That's really useful advice. I don't want to have to pick a specific team just to beat a certain type of play.
Also the characters I don't really use a specific team. I use a combination of about 6 characters.
Come around to my house for some offline games Simon. I need to catch up with Steve as well, I don't know if he's even played MvC3 yet.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on March 04, 2011, 08:33:59 AM
That's really useful advice. I don't want to have to pick a specific team just to beat a certain type of play.
Also the characters I don't really use a specific team. I use a combination of about 6 characters.
What characters are you using? Cause that will effect heavily how you will deal with the projectile spam.
It is also highly likely that certain combinations of characters are just plain shit, and you will likely have to change you're team.
Who do you use and in what order/teams? Can't really tell you much till you say that.
Quote from: Lennysaurus on March 04, 2011, 09:33:55 AM
What characters are you using? Cause that will effect heavily how you will deal with the projectile spam.
The question i responded to was about someone who just sits there blocking and he felt just throwing them wasn't doing enough damage..
So i guess there's two question you'll be answering when he posts his team. :D
Quote from: CaptainHook on March 04, 2011, 09:54:48 AM
The question i responded to was about someone who just sits there blocking and he felt just throwing them wasn't doing enough damage..
So i guess there's two question you'll be answering when he posts his team. :D
Someone just down backing in this game will get blown up pretty bad. Just need to know which characters to learn what to do against it. Alot of characters can combo from throw for good damage too, so yeah, just need to know the characters to help a brother out.
Yeah cool. Can we do a "level-up" session some time? Before first blood? Heheheh.
I play a mixture of the following chars: Arthur, Hulk, Spider-man, Wolverine, Haggar, Ryu, Ammy and wanting to pick up Thor.
Quote from: CaptainHook on March 04, 2011, 12:03:24 PM
Yeah cool. Can we do a "level-up" session some time? Before first blood? Heheheh.
I'm keen. I don't get a lot of time to play so I feel like I'm gonna get smashed at Firstblood without even having any fun doing so.
Quote from: Nick4now on March 04, 2011, 12:38:42 AM
Harder done than said :P Get your PS3 fixed so we can play!!
What he said. Get your PS3 fixed so we can play!!
nah, just abandon chch and move to auckland :D
Quote from: CrazyMobius on March 04, 2011, 01:51:58 PM
I play a mixture of the following chars: Arthur, Hulk, Spider-man, Wolverine, Haggar, Ryu, Ammy and wanting to pick up Thor.
oh dude, you should be out-spamming them with arthur. hulk's gamma wave eats projectiles and you should be punching through any projectile they throw out with ryu and shinkuu. cant say about the others but its a start.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on March 04, 2011, 01:51:58 PM
I play a mixture of the following chars: Arthur, Hulk, Spider-man, Wolverine, Haggar, Ryu, Ammy and wanting to pick up Thor.
I can play a couple of those characters. Will post some thoughts.
Arthur:I play Arthur in my main team, and TBH I deal with projectile spammers by spamming my own projectiles. I tend to find that one on one, no one else can beat Arthur in a projectile war. He does massive chip damage on his moves, including his super (Goddess bracelet). Have you worked out which ones are effective for which projectile spammers?
Daggers (QCF+L can throw three by mashing L)
His Bread and butter projectile does good chip, and controls alot of space. Stops any advance along the ground, and if you do them off a normal jump he can control a shit ton of space. Basically use these to push them back and maintain your spacing. Beats all regular projectiles but loses to some of the stronger beam attacks.
Lances (QCF+M can throw two by mashing M)
All non-super beams and projectiles lose to this. The first lance will eat the beam and the second lance will hit them. Similar to dagger with a slightly larger hitbox and slighlty more startup. If youre against a beam character, and you manage to dodge a beam then use this to win the projectile war. Once you get two of them out you can keep spamming them to make people stop beaming you.
Scythe (QCB+M)
Throws a big-ass scythe. Once it is out it will travel through beams and projectiles and hit the opponent. So its a good way tto get them blocking, or hit so that you can start winding up your lances to stop them beaming you. Also, if they aren't beaming when you throw it you can throw three daggers afterwards and hit confirm into goddess bracelet for 400k. Controls alot of space, and gives you alot of advantage after throw it. Think of it as a sonic boom that eats other projectiles/beams. Just be careful though, as if you get hit on your startup it won't come out. It also gets eaten up by supers so be careful of that.
Crossbow (QCF+H)
The jump crossbow bolt hits forward and down. So if someone is beam spamming you can normal jump the beam and tag them with crossbow. Also if you activate King Arthur mode, the Crossbow bolt homes. So you can just super jump and spam it all day and make people sad that try and keep away.
Mostly with Arthur if you are on the end of projectile spam, you need to weave you're way in and out of there stuff, and blow through around it with your own, and then start your own spam, which is in most cases, alot more effective.
Ryu:Honestly, get one bar and fuckin laser them through whatever it is they are doing. IMO, Ryu with bar is probably one of the most dangerous characters in the game. Just react to any spam they do with Super hadoken. Loads of neutral jump over theier stuff, and if you see them call an assist, or whiff a beam, or even do a projectile that has startup, fuckin laser them.
Haggar:Lose. Try and superjump over to them and pipe them, but in most cases you're fucked. If you manage to get them in the corner it's not too bad cause of the range on pipe, and the half life, no meter combo you get from pipe.
Ammy:Although I dont play the dog from what I have seen, if you manage to jump a beam etc and see it whif, then hammer them with the fullscreen super. Be careful that you won't get hit out during the animation though.
She can also super jump dash forward and come down ambiguously with her Heavy attack. Works really well.
And she also has her own projectiles she can spam in the ice stance. She is really versatile so you just need to mix it up.
Um... Hope that helps some.
spidey has instant over head with s+atk his web dash
Which also closes the distance really well
Other wise crossup with an assist and web dash
Other wise i cant think of much else from the brief time spent playing him
Thanks guys. Been reading the guide and there is a lot of info in there to point me in the right direction.
how does an eyeball with tentacles talk
Quote from: samurai black on March 09, 2011, 01:54:05 PM
how does an eyeball with tentacles talk
Through the vagina of his victim.
Loving it sooo much.
BUT....i know its been said.... this has some of the worst matchmaking ive ever experienced in a game.
NEEDS PATCHED!
My super awesome akuma combo.
Quote from: massi4h on March 11, 2011, 08:29:56 PM
My super awesome akuma combo.
Whoa g, Did you invent that combo? That's pretty awesome g. But you need to get some pussy hahah
Damn pretty tight.
Ohhhhh Shuma Gorath and Jill out today. Time to get my tentacle rape on.
http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/3/15/mvc3-jill-shuma-gorath-now-available-on-xbl-psn.html
wow jills pretty fucking awesome , shumas beam assist is pretty godlike too .
will be playing all day today if anyone wants to stop round for sum games
lol shumas beam assist goes full screen ( as in the expanded full screen view) hits and does a 90 degree arch all the way to the top of the screen , if your not blocking you will get hit anywhere on the screen
Quote from: [NIUE] B1ackstar Ninja on March 16, 2011, 09:17:53 AM
wow jills pretty fucking awesome , shumas beam assist is pretty godlike too .
will be playing all day today if anyone wants to stop round for sum games
Damn, would have drove up today if you were planning on be home you bolo :P
oh true , stink :(
Quote from: [NIUE] B1ackstar Ninja on March 16, 2011, 09:26:43 AM
lol shumas beam assist goes full screen ( as in the expanded full screen view) hits and does a 90 degree arch all the way to the top of the screen , if your not blocking you will get hit anywhere on the screen
It also OTG's
Hmm, like the look of shuma.
Im sort of a bit unhappy with my team atm. Looking to spice it up a little.
I was straight keen to go doom/shuma/tron until i saw that hulk combo.
Shuma Gorath looks pretty gangsta imo.
Oh shit - Sentinel got the nerf health of the millenium
http://shoryuken.com/content/marvel-vs-capcom-3-adjustment-patch-3973/
knee jerk reaction imo. Sentinels health isn't what made him so strong. And given you can kill sentinel in one combo with no KFC, hard to see why this was done.
Now they just need to nerf hulk and tron.
Why because you don't like playing against them?
I HATE playing Zero, but I'm not gonna bitch about and start screaming for nerfs.
I also agree that the Sent nerf is a kneejerk reaction. I would rather play against Sent than a good Zero, Ammy or even a really good Mags. Health wasn't his problem it's his damage output and if he is smokin' ya you just need to be more careful and block more/better.
Just for you Josh I might drop Storm and put Hulk in my team making it Hulk, Tron, Sent haha :-*.
Quote from: [SAS]karizzma on March 23, 2011, 08:58:57 AM
Now they just need to nerf hulk and tron.
Why you so salty bro ? lol
Total kneejerk reaction - balance patches one month in ? Pretty harsh call, really
Also, FYI Josh, I dropped Sent for Wesker a few days ago - gonna give him a decent run since I've got some fresh new Tron combos for you lol
@Graeme - need some games against you bro!
Quote from: Rorooze on March 23, 2011, 08:56:02 AM
knee jerk reaction imo. Sentinels health isn't what made him so strong. And given you can kill sentinel in one combo with no KFC, hard to see why this was done.
Its part of the reason that made him dumb though because he could afford to make more mistakes than any other character and get the most reward. Keen to see these combos that 100% pre nerf sentinel. I can do it with my team but thats because of the dhc trick.
I actually like this nerf although its kinda weird having a massive robot with pixie life. Id like it if they nerfed his xfc as well and give him some utility. Make him cool to watch like he was in 2
I'm pretty scrub and I can't recall a time that I won because sentinel has beast health, if I ended up winning purely because of sentinel it is because his level 3 KFC makes him do 220% of base damage. They should have knocked that down to something like 150% and left the health as it was.
Sentinel is now the glass cannon of the game, maybe that's what they were going for?
Quote from: [8-----D] Toots on March 23, 2011, 09:18:18 AM
Its part of the reason that made him dumb though because he could afford to make more mistakes than any other character and get the most reward.
Fair call.
Ya my 3 most hated characters. You would have the same team as electric if you did change your characters so...
I think the nerf was pretty severe but he keeps his clutch factor so it isn't all bad. They should have put his health in line with hulk and lower his x factor damage by 10% or something.
Quote from: [SAS]karizzma on March 23, 2011, 09:22:30 AM
I think the nerf was pretty severe but he keeps his clutch factor so it isn't all bad. They should have put his health in line with hulk and lower his x factor damage by 10% or something.
Yeah, I think this would have been a more sane way to go - meet somewhere in the middle
But hey, what's done is done... Keen to see what the dedicated Sentinel players do now
wow poor robot. its not so bad, i mean he still does the damage right? just gotta play a bit less dumb now :D
and NO: "LEAVE HULK ALOOOONE!"
pretty sure masons combo with akuma earlier in the thread kills sentinel without KFC.
pixie robot, lol.
Bloody hell all these hulk lovers lol.
Were there any other noticeable changes? I hear the the Akuma infinite got taken away or is this not true?
PS. Try a new combo on me Eru? You barely hit me most games.
lol rory everyone in this game is a glass cannon if not then your character is just glass.
Pretty hefty nerf to sent drones assist as you can really kill him now with one bad assist call. On point he is effectively the same but you wont have to bust your balls(xfc, tons of super meter) to kill him.
Quote from: [SAS]karizzma on March 23, 2011, 09:22:30 AM
I think the nerf was pretty severe but he keeps his clutch factor so it isn't all bad. They should have put his health in line with hulk and lower his x factor damage by 10% or something.
So from 4 hits to kill a character with xfactor activated to 5 hits? Hopefully they put in an option to remove xfc
Akuma tatsu hitstun got nerfed, so the infinite is gone
Nigga I got throw combos now - I don't need to hit you lol
fair point ben :p
Quote from: electric on March 23, 2011, 09:17:53 AM@Graeme - need some games against you bro!
Any time bro just flick me a msg. I was gonna invite you last night but ended up getting my ass handed to me by Snakey again for a while :'(
Good to see he still has the damage. Would have been nice to see more mobility from the stupid fat robot like in 2.
also, DORMAMMU!!!!!!! :D
hooray for sent nerf! now if only they fixed the matchmaking....
this seems dumb.
haha yes! this makes me happy.. not that i had issues with sentinel, just that there might be a bit of variety online. after playing a bunch of sentinels today i cant help but see him as a cuddly panda bear and laugh.
Seriously tho i think he was over nerfed by a tad but essentially hes still the same character. you still gotta respect him or get a frying pan/big leg to the face. only difference is sent player has less room for error on point and as an assist
Nerf is good, not game changing though, but he's alot less random now (without l3 xf) as even super punishes will hurt alot more. I don't expect to see anyone doing fullscreen hsfs now (they shouldn't have been before either).
Anyway the main problem imo with sents l3 xf is the speed rather than the damage. Everyone does massive damage and has shit easy 100% combos under l3 xf, but what really makes sent shine is the fact that he can do his high/low/command grab/frame trappish/armored normals mixup alot better.
Kind of a dumb nerf i reckon. But it does mean people have to be more careful with him now, which is a good thing.
The problem with sent is the random factor imo. I would've left his hp as is, but taken the armour off of c.M and made frypan a hard knockdown instead of a bounce. I would leave the armour on his S because realistically that thing is punishable pretty easily anyway. Maybe that's TOO big a nerf. I dunno. I honestly don't think he is THAT good a character. Hes just got big random burst damage.
Wow that's a pretty huge nerf lol.
I still think he is good, but we'll definitely see a shit ton less of him.
Poor poor robot.
EDIT: Just read on SRK that one of his combos doesn't work anymore 2. Dude saying you can't get double relaunch combos anymore with him.
They buffed the damage on his S and command throw apparently.
Wow the game has only been out for over a month and I really think that it's too early for Balance changes... Or are they just gonna keep adjusting the game everytime there's something to bitch about ::)
Wow that's a big health de-buff, 1mil or 1.1mil woulda made more sense. Hopefully it will be good for the game, if you look at the anti sent strats out there at the moment (Wolverine's instant overhead, she-hulks air throw super, spencer etc.) he's gonna be pretty squishy at 905k.
Yeah I think noob crying is getting too much airtime. Man, if A.E. is released in it's current crazy unbalanced state there will be scrubfilled Anti -Yun pitchfork posses rioting in the streets!
This kinda makes me feel like my Brady Guide was a waste :(
Quote from: Pinolicious on March 23, 2011, 10:55:42 PM
This kinda makes me feel like my Brady Guide was a waste :(
Good point.
Very interesting update. Deep down inside im glad because I always hated him since mvc2 :D but nah yeah.
On another note I better get my practise on for friday, Dante is still is my team and I swear I still havn't even sused out anything more then s.LMHS sj.LMH that downward kick thing, re-launch, sjLMH downward flame thing, land, gun hyper.
I think ill be better off going random for my matches
Quote from: Pinolicious on March 23, 2011, 10:55:42 PM
This kinda makes me feel like my Brady Guide was a waste :(
Nah. Sent's playstyle is still the same, but you have to be more careful. Ie. You have to PLAY with sent, rather than push buttons with him. Counter strats are also still the same.
Quote from: Pinolicious on March 23, 2011, 10:55:42 PM
This kinda makes me feel like my Brady Guide was a waste :(
Well, you did buy a guide for a fighting game.
Quote from: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on March 24, 2011, 10:30:25 AM
Nah. Sent's playstyle is still the same, but you have to be more careful. Ie. You have to PLAY with sent, rather than push buttons with him. Counter strats are also still the same.
Yo it's like trick room. You beast with yo Sent then they kill him and BAM KFC DOOM BABY
Anyone know when the free event mode stuff is coming out?
25th. Dunno if that means it'll come out on our 25th though
they shouldve just buffed the netcode before even thinking about characters........ :-X
Capcom listened to too many n00bs complaining about sent cos people don't know how to block high.....its not that hard..... ::) ::)
Quote from: [NIUE] Optimus DAVE on March 24, 2011, 12:14:41 PM
they shouldve just buffed the netcode before even thinking about characters........ :-X
Not aimed directly at you Dave more everyone complaining about netcode. The problem is Capcom can't control the quality of the connections people are using. Half of the problem for NZ is our shitty broadband what can Capcom do about that. If we had South Koreas internet we would all be complaining a lot less about the netcode. Face it MvC3 has a lot going on for a fighting game, it was always going to be an uphill struggle for Capcom to get the netcode perfect.
the netcodes bad and maybe there isnt much capcom could do about it but the matchmaking and interface is terrible.
Quote from: geneterror on March 24, 2011, 12:27:18 PM
Not aimed directly at you Dave more everyone complaining about netcode. The problem is Capcom can't control the quality of the connections people are using. Half of the problem for NZ is our shitty broadband what can Capcom do about that. If we had South Koreas internet we would all be complaining a lot less about the netcode. Face it MvC3 has a lot going on for a fighting game, it was always going to be an uphill struggle for Capcom to get the netcode perfect.
Yeah, definitely a good point. I was chatting to a friend in Costa Rica who works in IT and he said the online is really good there for Marvel.
true fair enough.......i just wish they would hurry up and do that whole super fast broadband blah blah blah the government was talking about.....but then again, earthquakes could've put the brakes on that one.....oh well.
Quote from: HoneyBadger on March 24, 2011, 11:29:02 AM
Yo it's like trick room. You beast with yo Sent then they kill him and BAM KFC DOOM BABY
lol...
Quote from: [8-----D] Toots on March 24, 2011, 12:31:16 PM
matchmaking and interface is terrible.
Definitely on both counts. The interface is fucking awful!
Quote from: [NIUE] Optimus DAVE on March 24, 2011, 12:14:41 PM
they shouldve just buffed the netcode before even thinking about characters........ :-X
Capcom listened to too many n00bs complaining about sent cos people don't know how to block high.....its not that hard..... ::) ::)
Sent c.M just smashed your high block in the nuts.
Quote from: Pinolicious on March 23, 2011, 10:55:42 PM
This kinda makes me feel like my Brady Guide was a waste :(
Fuck, what about my limited edition one!?!? Wada waste man.
Sent is fucked. Now i gotta learn a whole nother char!?!?! Sheeeit. I don't have time for this shit haha. I have to learn Tron. Cos she looks pretty cheap.
And doom. Cos he got the best assist. You can't block it low ay!?!?
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 24, 2011, 03:12:36 PM
Fuck, what about my limited edition one!?!? Wada waste man.
Sent is fucked. Now i gotta learn a whole nother char!?!?! Sheeeit. I don't have time for this shit haha. I have to learn Tron. Cos she looks pretty cheap.
And doom. Cos he got the best assist. You can't block it low ay!?!?
Yeah bro, you can block Doom's assists low - Hidden missles OTG's though, if that's what you're talking about
The only assists in this game that need to be blocked low are Weskers and She Hulks... Maybe X-23's, IIRC
Damn nah. I meant for like mix ups.
pick doom weazzy hidden missles is really good... ;)
you can block hidden missiles however you want.
Quote from: electric on March 24, 2011, 03:17:00 PM
Yeah bro, you can block Doom's assists low - Hidden missles OTG's though, if that's what you're talking about
The only assists in this game that need to be blocked low are Weskers and She Hulks... Maybe X-23's, IIRC
X-23, Deadpool, Felicia
Quote from: [8-----D] Toots on March 24, 2011, 03:35:57 PM
pick doom weazzy hidden missles is really good... ;)
you can block hidden missiles however you want.
'WHOA, WHOA , WHOA WHOA HIDDENNNN MISSSSILLLLESSS'.
*somebody come along and do bionic arm*
'meh, it's not hidden missile'.
Sent isn't bad now... I don't see why you need to drop him Weazzy he still does shitloads of damage. And with your team you can combo into the grapple with Dante and then Devil Trigger and DHC into HSF for the scaling reset which is basically a guaranteed 1000000 plus damage. But switch if you want. I'm gonna try play with a non Sentinel team for ranbats (unless I lose and I'll go back to my main team lol).
I'm still gonna keep Sentinel on my team, he fits in perfectly with them. It is...
Zero - Assist y - Colour 4
Dormammu - Assist a - Colour 3
Sentinel - Assist a - Colour 3
That team has really great synergy with a lot of capabilities for combo resets.
I don't know i just know he's gonna be shit. Like when i dropped Sagat just after hearing his nerfs lol.
And what's this combo you say!?!? How you combo into the grapple?
such a soft cock weazzy.
yeah weazzy harden up. lol.
jaaakk. It's Sent that's the soft cock and needs to harden up. Fuckin getting shit life and shit. Biiiitch nicca.
And how the fuck can you frame trap with Sent Mason? Push block anybody?
I wanna learn Magneto/Doom/Wolverine/Tron/Haggar too but not enough time for this game. I feel these will be the strong chars. Maybe not so much Haggar actually.
Rofl.
If scrubs could actually PLAY Sent instead of running around spamming frypan and hoping it hits then they probably wouldn't drop him.
Tomorrow is gonna be a sweet day, put on some chill sounds, bust out the Dou Bros while jaming some marvel then hit the ranbats!
Finally picked up a copy (livewire), love it, much more fun than SF.
Though can't say I really know what i'm doing yet (never really played MVC2).
My first & only team = Arthur, Thor, Morrigan
Quote from: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on March 25, 2011, 12:46:33 AM
Rofl.
If scrubs could actually PLAY Sent instead of running around spamming frypan and hoping it hits then they probably wouldn't drop him.
Bro my Sent will smash your Sent anyday. He got a command throw and j h/s spam. Wow. I'm so pro.
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 24, 2011, 10:39:52 PM
Magneto/Doom/Wolverine/Tron/Haggar
Haggar is pretty shit on point. Tron is a little better but she gets destroyed by HEAPS of stuff. Shes really good in certain matches, but not in general.
I think Doom is good. Most people think he sucks. That's only because they're too shit to learn how to use his reasonably awkward mobility. That and they mostly just use his assist and hope they can win with their other two characters.
Magneto and Wolverine are awesome. Magneto is fast and has huge damage, and wolverine is braindead easy and is probably the stickiest character in the game. Also has good damage. Both really good picks, and are probably both gonna be top tier characters imo.
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 24, 2011, 10:39:52 PM
I wanna learn Magneto/Doom/Wolverine/Tron/Haggar too but not enough time for this game. I feel these will be the strong chars. Maybe not so much Haggar actually.
Why you wanna bite my style Weazzy? ;D j/k but yeah like Bill said Wolvie is braindead easy. I picked him up first just to get the feel of the game and then dropped him for the more awesome Mags. He's the most fun character to play with too imo. Although since you play online more, Mags' combos are nearly impossible to pull off online hahaha
A Haggar Lariat assist is one of the best assists imo, but don't listen to me because I'm a scrub :D
I know wolverine is easy but calling wolverine braindead is kinda ignorant bill and it has alot to do with how wolverine effects your team
As good as he is on point he has no value as an assist something you cant say about a lot of characters. He is very assist dependent/meter hungry if your playing against good opponents. He basically has nothing safe with out the use of assists or meter...I guess you could say he has a lot of strong gimmicks. Most divekicks are not safe when blocked and berserk slash is -12 on block. Your whole team has to be built around wolverine if you want to make a top tier team imo. If you dont have the right covering assist to help wolverine get in(arthur daggers, sent drones, akuma tatsu) you have to burn meter on berserker charge which also stops meter gain until it runs out. If wolverine dies the second character will often come in with little to no meter.
What he said ^
Wolverine is a much easier character to get into than say, Mags. And the execution barrier to do anything he needs to do is really low. Maybe braindead wasn't the right word, but what you said (covering assists, burning meter for safety etc) also applies to just about every other character in the game to some extent. Expecially rushdown characters wits a similar gameplan to wolverine. So it doesn't really justify anything. With that being said, its still easier to be effective with wolverine than with the vast majority of the rest of the cast in terms of rushdown/pressure.
Hes not braindead like say, Sent. Braindead was probably a far too strong a word to use. But in terms of being a rushdown/pressure character, hes by far the simplest one to use effectively.
I think he is just simple to play is all. Any character is brain-dead if that's how you play with them.
Dive-kicks aren't safe? What's the down-low on that Ben?
I think Sent is just the same mostly. Just have to be way more careful. I play him very runaway now. I also think that you have to have an assist that helps him control space now. Whereas before you could zoom around the screen doing whatever you liked, now he has to cover his space well, with his approach and his zoning. I just try to control as much space as I can, and use an assist to cover the gaps in my plan. I find with this that I always have tons of meter to use by the time I land my hit, and use the strength of my teams DHC's to finish off point characters. And then continue to zoom around and control space while building more meter.
If wolverines foot tags you high in your hitbox, you can jab him iirc. But if the foot hits you from the waist down, its safe.
Simple to play is what I should've said. Thats what i meant anyway.
The only hard thing about mags is that he has low priority normals. He can get in by himself from anywhere on the screen and can be threatening at fullscreen with em disruptor. Sure wolverines combos are piss easy but what does that matter. Are we talking about how easy a character is in terms of the first month of the game? If so then there really is no need for an argument because it doesn't matter. Besides rom which isnt even his best combo now magnetos combos arent too hard at all and he can do damage that is significantly higher than wolverines that builds more meter. Magneto can mix you up high low left and right safely with out the need of an assist. Wolverine has to use an assist to create any mixup besides unsafe berserker slash crossup and walk up throw. Also how many characters fall into the same role as wolverine? a character that is only effective on point and at close range? felcia thor and skrull I guess?
Sents not braindead anymore because jumping around doing random shit will get you killed more often than not same goes for mashing drones assist. I agree that he is the simplest (not by far unless your talking about day one wolverine vs day one mags) rushdown focused character but he has short comings that I dont think many other rush characters have that will soon have to be made up for by smart play instead of mash assist berserker slash lol next game.
Quote from: [8-----D] Toots on March 25, 2011, 03:13:25 PM
The only hard thing about mags is that he has low priority normals. He can get in by himself from anywhere on the screen and can be threatening at fullscreen with em disruptor. Sure wolverines combos are piss easy but what does that matter. Are we talking about how easy a character is in terms of the first month of the game? If so then there really is no need for an argument because it doesn't matter. Besides rom which isnt even his best combo now magnetos combos arent too hard at all and he can do damage that is significantly higher than wolverines that builds more meter. Magneto can mix you up high low left and right safely with out the need of an assist. Wolverine has to use an assist to create any mixup besides unsafe berserker slash crossup and walk up throw. Also how many characters fall into the same role as wolverine? a character that is only effective on point and at close range? felcia thor and skrull I guess?
Whaaaat? What's his best combo now? I'm here to learn :D So far I've been using the j.H -> adf -> j,M -> j.H -> land loop, and still in the middle of mastering rom (sjub.H -> addf -> sj.H -> land loop) but can only get like 3-4 reps consistantly atm.
Wow that's awesome! Thanks Ben, it looks easier than ROM to pull off too. I'll have to see for myself ;D From watching that video the damage total was 608,900. Any idea how much damage/meter it is with the cr.L, cr.M, cr.H, launch starter?
Hard doesn't sound like much ay but how much with the super at the end?
Dante would have mean dmg if his combo's weren't so stupidly inconsistent due to difficulty.
608k with no meter is pretty massive weazzy.
I haven't learned that exact same combo but it should be around 550k with c.lmhs
Oh yeah i know i fucked up my sentence hahaha. That's what i meant to say. It's cos his super is so weak. Well i don't know the dmg. But it looks weak as shit.
whos supers weak ?
all magneto supers do beast damage
608k with meter is decent damage. Therefore any extra damage is just beast.
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 25, 2011, 04:47:13 PM
Oh yeah i know i fucked up my sentence hahaha. That's what i meant to say. It's cos his super is so weak. Well i don't know the dmg. But it looks weak as shit.
Comboing into Mags' Gravity Squeeze is almost ALWAYS guaranteed a kill. Tempest also gives a ton of damage and Magnetic Shockwave is only weak (for a Hyper) in the corner.
But like everone else said, 600k is A LOT of damage for a meterless/no assist mid-screen combo.
Btw is there a way to combo into Tempest mid screen? Or is comboing Hyper Grav xx Tempest in the corner the only way?
Wolverine is a simple character to learn with a reasonably low skillcap. Thats all I'm saying. I don't think this is an incorrect assessment of the character. I wasn't talking about what hes good at/bad at. He's an easy character to pick up and play. Thats it. Thats all I said. Youre making it sound like i said some shit like "WOLV IS EASY HE GIVS U FREE WINZ. PLAE MAGZ SCRUB". I didn't. And I don't think that either. This is a stupid argument.
I compared him to mags for the sole reason that mags has a higher skillcap, mostly due to his versatility. Theres more stuff to learn with Magneto than Wolverine. Also not an assessment that I think is incorrect.
EAT LEAD
Quote from: Nick4now on March 25, 2011, 05:01:54 PM
Btw is there a way to combo into Tempest mid screen? Or is comboing Hyper Grav xx Tempest in the corner the only way?
You call an assist that can juggle them in the middle of your combo midscreen. Then it gives you enough time to hyper grab -> tempest.
True i've only played with five chars in this game. But all der bnb's did more than Magneto's combo.
He's still beast of course. How much his BnB do after 1 super? And how much metre it gain? Sorry for asking laazy man questions haha.
Hulk's one in corner do fuckin 793 or some shit like that.
I know the lvl 3 is fucking beast dmg. Everyone's is pretty beast dmg.
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 25, 2011, 04:11:07 PM
Dante would have mean dmg if his combo's weren't so stupidly inconsistent due to difficulty.
Execution wise, they don't seem too difficult tbh. It's just remembering all of that shit is the hard part ;D
Quote from: JackSmash on March 25, 2011, 05:21:09 PM
You call an assist that can juggle them in the middle of your combo midscreen. Then it gives you enough time to hyper grab -> tempest.
Thanks man, damn I was hoping that it's possible without assist lol I'll try it with lariat assist.
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 25, 2011, 05:51:57 PM
True i've only played with five chars in this game. But all der bnb's did more than Magneto's combo.
Is that with or without meter? Although I'm not surprised that heavy hitters like Sent and Hulk are capable of dealing that much damage.
LOL g. They is fucking hard as shit. That's why nobody even does them. And the only guy that does Richard Nguren or some shit drops them A LOT. But when he pulls them off im like 'Best Dante eveah!!!'. They is freaking hard man. Even Poongko was doing the shit easy ones, which kinda made me sad. They was even easier and weaker then the ones i do :(
And yer it was with one metre. Dante gain like 1 and half metre anyway. And why you wanna save your metre for lol. I rather do some fucking dmg for 1 shitty metre. Is that why you want him with your Phoenix team lol!?!?!?!? Good strat.
And i didn't know that crossup thing was punishable from WOlv? Shit i seen heaps of vids of people abusing it and i thought it was OP as shit. Cool. And a blocked DK punishable!?!?!!? Ohhhh mint!!! Anybody's L punish that shit (talking about hitting above waist).
Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 25, 2011, 07:59:34 PM
And yer it was with one metre. Dante gain like 1 and half metre anyway. And why you wanna save your metre for lol. I rather do some fucking dmg for 1 shitty metre. Is that why you want him with your Phoenix team lol!?!?!?!? Good strat.
Hahaha nah I actually use Mags because he's really really really fun to play with; It's just a coincedence that he can dish out a lota damage without meter and gain a lot too which is a plus for Phoenix player like myself ;D One combo plus two crossover assists with down+S = Dark Phoenix is ready ;D
But just because I use Phoenix it doesn't mean I WON'T use meter. I've learned that I can always replenish that shit anyways.
The mags combo gains like 2 meters anyway. Which means if you land it at the start of the match, it ends in a gravity squeeze and a dead character.
And yea if youre running Phoenix hes not a bad option until he starts getting hit. Magneto/Doom/Phoenix would be a really strong aggressive phoenix team actually. If doom missiles tag you at full screen, mags has no trouble getting in and landing some good damage and building a shitload of meter. Even without doom this is a big selling point for mags on phoenix teams. When Doom pops out you have a bulky character (ie. not gonna die instantly if he eats a mixup on the way in...hopefully) who can also build a lot of meter if he lands a combo. AND, both doom and Mags can be effective at all ranges if there is need for it.
And yea, Phoenix teams can afford to use meter depending on time remaining and health of their other 2 characters. Clockwork has made that perfectly clear.
Quote from: JackSmash on March 25, 2011, 05:21:09 PM
You call an assist that can juggle them in the middle of your combo midscreen. Then it gives you enough time to hyper grab -> tempest.
you can combo tempest anywhere on screen off a standing c after air juggle , in the corner you dont even need hyper grab , just input tempest as soon as standing c hits (after air juggles).
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Quote from: [NIUE] B1ackstar Ninja on March 25, 2011, 09:46:16 PM
you can combo tempest anywhere on screen off a standing c after air juggle , in the corner you dont even need hyper grab , just input tempest as soon as standing c hits (after air juggles).
Hmmm I can't seem to land that midscreen due st.H pushing the opponent too far for tempest to combo :-[
sanford laying it down lols
he sounds like such a salty little girl.
Dunno if this has been posted yet, or where it goes. I guess it's kinda Marvel related. Story is in the description. Apparently Noel got a three week ban.
Oh God. That's amazing. I must've missed that on the stream.
hahahaha. amazing.
ITS MAHVEL BABY
"THIS GAME IS DILDOS"
so the guy with his leg in a cast decided it'd be a cool idea to provoke someone
and the other guy decided to retaliate by punching said guy
yeah they're pretty much both retarded.
Srs Marvel is srs.
Also, Taokaka avatars ftw.
Marlinpie, oh so beast! Such a performer :D
Anyone know what the patch did?
Goddamnit this game is awesome. I can't believe more people aren't playing it.
My new team is Rad. Viper/S.Hulk/Tron is te shizzle. Straight in your face explode your shit... or die in second. Awwww yeah!
Also, Phoenix is so retarded. took me likee 5 minutes to learn her hahaha.
Yer man i don't know why more people aren't playing this either ay. I thought it woulda blown up the FG community more than SF4 did. I know people play this game. They just aren't interested in getting into it hardcore.
I hate that Tron assist. It's so broken. Makes me wanna play Tron and i hate hate hate the way she looks and shit. I don't know how much longer i can resist though.
I agree this game is mint
but every time i play it i go online and wish i hadnt bothered
The online is probably wat is stoping more people playing especially when u jump in ranked with some one from halfway around the world and lose to lag teleport shenanigans
I also hate tron assist
so ive seen a few rest vids for mags, which basically involve long ass combo into air throw.
which doesnt make sense to me, since combos from a throw scale like a kung. am i missing something there?
Quote from: samurai black on April 09, 2011, 01:13:46 PM
so ive seen a few rest vids for mags, which basically involve long ass combo into air throw.
which doesnt make sense to me, since combos from a throw scale like a kung. am i missing something there?
They build enough bar to get a level 3, and with the throw reset it basically kills any character in the game is my understanding from full life.
Yeah. Also if you have are able to DHC trick it's worth while as you can build more bar doing the same combo ending with hyper grav X DHC trick or even GS.
He has other resets that don't involve throw setup as well.
Its the online that kills it. Thats it.
SSF4 doesnt have the best online in the world, but its definitely playable. THIS game has some of the worst online lag ive ever experienced. Can't even get good games with local guys. For casual gamers, online is the be all and end all of replayability, so a game like this isnt going to hook in any new casuals, because it has a major aspect that is lackluster. Most of us recognise that when the game is being played as it should be (offline), its awesome. Its definitely the most fun ive had in a fighting game since MVC2, but it sucks that I cant sit at home and train up with people, since its like playing underwater.
Amazing game. Crippled by bad online. I think this is a major reason why we need to become a more known and established community. So that games like this one that dont deserve to fail dont ACTUALLY end up falling off the radar.
Quote from: stereomonkey on April 09, 2011, 02:02:57 PM
Yeah. Also if you have are able to DHC trick it's worth while as you can build more bar doing the same combo ending with hyper grav X DHC trick or even GS.
He has other resets that don't involve throw setup as well.
meh. magneto is stink anyway :P
Yea all magneto users are gay. Especially if their name is Stu/Ben/Kurt.
Quote from: samurai black on April 09, 2011, 02:25:24 PM
meh. magneto is stink anyway :P
Well don't ask for Magneto questions then Kung
Also decided to start learning Super Skrull, Thor and MODOK so what are peoples verdicts/tips on those three guys?
nah, id like to be as well informed as possible :P
as for thor, we just dont see enough mighty speech.
Quote from: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on April 09, 2011, 02:42:06 PM
Yea all magneto users are gay. Especially if their name is Stu/Ben/Kurt.
haha therefore i am the best and the greatest and the master of magnetisim
MOHOHOHOHOOHOHO
YEAH MODOK.
Master the move that reverses peoples controls. Then you will be a MODOK GOD.
He can do whaaaaaaaat?
Yes.
I gotta see that shit.
Quote from: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on April 09, 2011, 02:22:49 PM
Its the online that kills it. Thats it.
SSF4 doesnt have the best online in the world, but its definitely playable. THIS game has some of the worst online lag ive ever experienced. Can't even get good games with local guys. For casual gamers, online is the be all and end all of replayability, so a game like this isnt going to hook in any new casuals, because it has a major aspect that is lackluster. Most of us recognise that when the game is being played as it should be (offline), its awesome. Its definitely the most fun ive had in a fighting game since MVC2, but it sucks that I cant sit at home and train up with people, since its like playing underwater.
Amazing game. Crippled by bad online. I think this is a major reason why we need to become a more known and established community. So that games like this one that dont deserve to fail dont ACTUALLY end up falling off the radar.
I agree that this is a big factor into the split that's happening in the community. But I also think there are a few other factors too.
1. The game is hard.
Ok so for people that understand the team and assist aspect of marvel this game is easy and way easier than marvel 2. But imagine you didn't pick up a fighting game after you put down your megadrive/snes controller in the 90's. Street Fighter IV comes out and there are ton of scrubs to play online day 1 that you can own by mashing DP and feel good. So you stick with it, you get semi decent, you win most of your online matches, you learn stuff online and beat most of your friends.
Then MvC3 is announced. You get hype because you heard MvC2 was awesome but personally found it too hard to get into. You hear MvC3 is going to be easier to get into just like SF4 was. You build up all these skills: 1 frame links, footsies, FADCs from SF4 and can't wait to transfer your skills into this new beast MvC3. Only to find that alot of the stuff in SF4 means nothing in this game.
2. MvC3 is different, fast and scary.
SF4 pretty much everything is right there on the screen. You vs the other person. You've seen the specials, you know the moves. Of course you can be surprised but most of the time you see yourself loose. In Marvel you can be dead and not even "see" it till you realize how awesomely dirty someone is playing. Stuff does massive damage and if you can't hold your ground or have some tricks to pin down your opponent you are screwed. People want to disorientate and confuse you. People want to give you alot to remember and think about. But there in lies the beauty of this game :) because of course you can learn to do all that too and that's what makes the game so damn creative <3 Training mode :)
3: People aren't seeing Marvel for what it is, not SF4
It is such a different game and it's a fantastic one if you stick with it. I struggled with it at first because I had to shake the SF4 out of my system. SF4 had made my fingers fat and lazy. Had to play for a week just to get my fingers used to the pace of the game. Ok now I know some tricks with one character. Now I have to learn 2 more, their assists, are they good assists? and when do I use them without loosing 2 characters. It takes alot more effort than Youtubing a matchup you have trouble with or learning ways to land your Ultra. But having so much freedom and having to explore the games engine and your options is what makes MvC3 so awesome.
I was never any good at Marvel 2, I played it completely wrong. When I first started playing this game I struggled, I either lucked out and fought someone online waaaay worse than me by running away with Arthur or got destroyed by someone who was used to team dynamics, assist mixups and the core elements of Marvel. But love the game now. I'm not the best player by a long shot but each time I try something new and think outside the box and get rewarded by defeating a solid player it feels awesome.
Quote from: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on April 09, 2011, 02:22:49 PM
Its the online that kills it.
play time
offline mode 45651687897hrs
xbox live 0:24
Quote from: Barnstorm on April 09, 2011, 01:05:18 PM
I agree this game is mint
but every time i play it i go online and wish i hadnt bothered
The online is probably wat is stoping more people playing especially when u jump in ranked with some one from halfway around the world and lose to lag teleport shenanigans
I also hate tron assist
Sorry I made you hate Tron assist :P
Haha shot Unbeliever, that's the way to do it. Playing training mode lots gets boring though when you never get to play people. We really need more meetups. And from what I've heard we'll be going back to the good old grind sessions for a bit. So many of you guys got into mvc3 but weren't keen on tournaments yet, grind sessions is a good time for you guys to start playing and get tips from us tournament guys. I'm always keen to help you guys out with what you want. First thing that's important is really to understand the core game mechanics first. That's one big problem that people don't do imo.
Yummy tron combo I worked out with mags as Disruptor Assist.
j.H, down+M, H, H drill, down+M, forward+medium, jump cancel, j.M, j.M, j.H, land, H, launch,j.M, j.M, j.H, Up exchange, hyper grav xx Magnetic tempest DHC glitch into King Kobun, forward+M jump cancel, j.M, j.H, j.S, land QCF+L, H+Assist xx QCF+M, H xx Lunch Rush
1,050,000 damage only need one bar to start the combo.
So you get that consistently now? Just need to guess the exchange to stop that from happening :P
Guess? He can probably only combo hgrav off up exchange
You can do it from up and left or right as well.
Working on something that works on down exchange atm.
I love this game! It has so much potential :D
Also you can get it off the DOwn exchange, but can't DHC glitch with tron off the down one.
I changed the combo Stu. It's easier and does more damage now than the one we were mucking around with.
How does the different exchange directions affect what can combo after it?
It changes the height that the character enters the screen at. For the combo I listed above, Magneto needs to be reasonably high in the air when he performs the DHC glitch in order to make Tron's super hit.
A lot of the time the up exchange can give better combo opportunities as the down exchange uses up your ground bounce and side exchange uses your wall bounce.
Quote from: massi4h on April 14, 2011, 11:29:45 AM
A lot of the time the up exchange can give better combo opportunities as the down exchange uses up your ground bounce and side exchange uses your wall bounce.
Really ? I had no idea - I thought you could just keep banging them out as long as they didn't guess correctly... Just goes to show how much I actually use this :/ Cheers Mason
Thanks guys. :)
Oh yeah they will always ground bounce, even following one, but if you do one first then you can't get the ground bounce.
IE you can launch with dante, then go b,b,c, killer bee (ground bounces), relaunch b, b, c, down+s and still combo with the next character, but if you do say launch with wesker and go b,b,c, down+s into dante, then if dante follows up with killer bee they'll roll out when they hit the ground. You can can infinitely relaunch into down+s (easy with DHC glitch), but as soon as you do a down+s or side+s you can't do any normal ground/wallbounce. Hope that makes sense.
Makes perfect sense - thanks Mason
Ohhh while we're on the aerial exchange topic, I know that down gives you a full meter, sideways gives half a meter and up gives more damage. But how much more damage do you get if you use up?
They all do the same damage iirc, up just pushes them up. But usually you can get better combos off up, rather than the other directions.
-_-
Nah. Up does the most damage, down builds like a whole meter.
Lol Mason
Haha now Bill can get off Masons dick!!
anyone know what v1.03 patch does?.. maybe just me but seems like on online i can only get 3 bar connections and several lobbies, back then could get full screen of lobbies at 4-5 bars...
wow so capcom just said fuck you captain america and took away his infinite. Zero's double snap glitch was removed also
CUNTSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
Quote from: [8-----D] Toots on April 16, 2011, 12:16:46 AM
wow so capcom just said fuck you captain america and took away his infinite.
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patch notes
• Fixed bug where a cross counter and X-factor activation would cause Ryu to float if using the B or Y assists.
• Fixed bug involving snapping out Zero during the activation of his Shadow Clone, which was disabling control.
• Fixed bug involving the hit time for Captain America's Shield Slash against Ryu, Amaterasu, and Hulk, which was allowing an unintended combo.
• Fixed bug for displaying more than 128 victories in a game lobby.
• Fixed bug involving Haggar blocking an attack in the air, immediately after using the Hoodlum Launcher.
• Fixed bug for displaying consecutive victories over 99 in Player Match.
• Fixed bug that allowed an infinite combo by Amaterasu against Taskmaster (Standing), Amaterasu (Standing or Ducking), Zero (Standing), and Shuma-Gorath (Ducking). Bug fix involved Amaterasu's Solar Flare attack (x5) and Power Slash combo.
• Fixed bug where Spencer's Bionic Maneuvers would cause Viewtiful Joe and Arthur to be stuck in the ground, when used as part of a combo with Haggar's Rapid Fire Fist.
• Fixed bug where Spencer's Bionic Maneuvers would cause the damage to display incorrectly, when used in a combo with Haggar's Steel Pipe and Rapid Fire Fist.
NEW IRONMAN BNB!
trijump M, cr.M,H,fly,L,M,H,d+H,unfly+H,djuf,M,H,d+H,cr.M,H,S,sj,M,M,H,djuf,M,H,S~smartbombs xx protoncannon
Gives 725,000ish. Its a modify combo I saw on youtube. But this one gives 20,000 extra.
If you've been trying to learn the relaunch, don't bother. Use this instead.
Stink combo.
You cunt!
Does hitstun scaling allow a c.L after the trijump M or else that's gonna be a pretty nasty hit confirm.
Mags' cr.L, cr.M, cr.H, launch ROMx8, st.H xx Hyper Grav xx Tempest deals 717700. If you do something like a Tri-jump H/S cr.H launch into ROM that should deal even more damage than that IM combo. In other words, you don't need to drop Mags for IM Mason lol
EDIT: Obviously only in the corner lol
Wait wtf lol? You completely misread my question. Was wondering if the combo you listed was possible with a c.L at the start, ie does the H still give enough hit-stun for the fly.L to land?
Been trying to learn a bit of mags whenever I get time to practice, kinda can do the ROM but some characters I just fail it on. Don't intend to play IM atm, somehow he doesn't appeal to me.
Currently got 3 teams I wanna play around with being Mag/Wesker/Akuma, Mag/Wesker/Sent and Storm/Wesker/Akuma. Oh yeah and I wanna try out my Mag/Wesker/Phoenix team for the lulz. Need more meetups!
Quote from: massi4h on April 18, 2011, 10:37:39 PM
Does hitstun scaling allow a c.L after the trijump M or else that's gonna be a pretty nasty hit confirm.
Its a hit confirm into IM fly mode, so you just blockstring them anyway.
Quote from: massi4h on April 18, 2011, 11:38:07 PM
Wait wtf lol? You completely misread my question. Was wondering if the combo you listed was possible with a c.L at the start, ie does the H still give enough hit-stun for the fly.L to land?
Haha my bad, I somehow interpreted that as "oooh that damage, if I can hit confirm it from a cr.L I'm picking up IM!" ;D
I stopped learning that new bnb that Ben posted up a while back. Magnetic Blast motion is so retarded lol
Well if yous are talking about the IM combo I put up. YES! you can hit confirm with cr.L after the trijump M but you probably don't want to because:
a.) It makes the L after the fly, way stricter unless in corner
b.) The same combo with the added L only does 707K
Ah k, yeah I assumed it would make the L after the fly strict, was just checking if it was impossible. Hit stun scaling really kicks in pretty fast.
Yeah damn hitstun fucking up my combos. Combo takes them to the corner for easy dhc aka HULK COMET! for 996K of something and combo works on everyone! Including shit cunt Arthur.
Iron mans blockstring is safe enough that you shouldn't need to bother hit confirming with a L anyway. Not SAFE safe, but safe enough.
And Hulk is rad. Who else have you got on that team?
I'm in between characters for my third atm. I've been using Doom a bit and he fits in with his beam assist. So if IM dies, Hulk comes in with Dooms beam to help him get in. And as an added bonus doom loop dhc to hulk comet is easy damage. Probably drop doom and pick up Storm. Dunno
Nah run doom. Beam is decent for that team. Try missiles out. You could get some decent lockdown/keepaway going with IM and some well timed missiles. Not only that, but missiles allow for the hulk double gamma crush, which is just about the best thing in the game. But beam is fine if you don't like missiles.
Also, if you run him last, he actually makes one of the best 'anchor' characters to come in and abuse lvl3 KFC. He gets retarded speed, and even more retarded damage.
Honestly, just trust Doom. He's a doctor.
Quote from: redtie on April 19, 2011, 03:08:54 PM
I'm in between characters for my third atm. I've been using Doom a bit and he fits in with his beam assist. So if IM dies, Hulk comes in with Dooms beam to help him get in. And as an added bonus doom loop dhc to hulk comet is easy damage. Probably drop doom and pick up Storm. Dunno
Hulk/Doom work really well together in my experience - currently running Tron (Gustaff Fire) / Hulk (Gamma Wave) / Doom (Hidden Missiles)
The way I have my team structured, I can kill just about any character in the game with any two characters.
Tron/Hulk - the "cup of tea" combo - does 1.2 million damage for a net meter usage of just under 2 bars.
Hulk/Doom - double gamma crush does 900k-1 million for two meters, or a little more for 3 meters when you DHC into Sphere Flame.
Tron/Doom - can do a modified "cup of tea" which leads into DHC glitch into Doom "stompy foot" - does 1 million damage, uses two bars but builds that up by itself.
Doom/Hulk - Buktooth loop into Sphere Flame DHC Gamma Crush. Pretty straight forward.
The only thing this team lacks is an OTG assist you can use after hit confirming a throw with Hulk, which is a pretty big weakness if you're going to be running Hulk on point a lot IMO - you can mitigate this somewhat by calling missiles just before doing a command throw, but this can obviously be punished if your throw whiffs, and because it's so slow you don't get much mileage out of it after landing a standard throw/air throw, so you're forced to go for a mix up rather than the guaranteed damage off of a Wesker OTG assist etc.
I fucking love this game.
Well looks like I'm sold on Doom. Was wondering why you use use Gamma wave bro? I pretty much picked Hulk up only because I needed a a panic button assist (Hulks anti-air) to deal with Trijump pressure. I'm not a fan of hidden missiles, kinda slow and I hate how they fuck combos up so I've been using the beam assist.
Quote from: redtie on April 19, 2011, 04:00:54 PM
Well looks like I'm sold on Doom. Was wondering why you use use Gamma wave bro? I pretty much picked Hulk up only because I needed a a panic button assist (Hulks anti-air) to deal with Trijump pressure. I'm not a fan of hidden missiles, kinda slow and I hate how they fuck combos up so I've been using the beam assist.
Gamma Wave acts as a bootleg Sentinel drones if I want to try maintain spacing, or have something on the screen while I square jump with Tron - it helps get her in and also helps her average zoning game when I need to play that kind of game. It also OTG's, so you can use it to extend combos - it's a really versatile assist that isn't quite a beam and isn't quite a projectile - it's use is fairly limited if you try to play it as one or the other, but it comes into it's own when you take it for what it actually is and come to terms with it's limitations and attributes.
I used to pick AA Gamma Charge as well, but it's just not as versatile, and I have Tron Flame assist to take care of that role for me - without Gamma Wave, I don't really have any way to control space - I think the major reason why my team works as well as it does is because of the assists I use.
If I was in your situation, I'd definitely stick with AA charge - it's a really good "uppercut" assist - not quite as good as Tron Flame/Haggar Lariat because you can't combo off of it, but it has it's purposes.
Quote from: electric on April 19, 2011, 03:48:46 PM
Hulk/Doom work really well together in my experience - currently running Tron (Gustaff Fire) / Hulk (Gamma Wave) / Doom (Hidden Missiles)
The way I have my team structured, I can kill just about any character in the game with any two characters.
Tron/Hulk - the "cup of tea" combo - does 1.2 million damage for a net meter usage of just under 2 bars.
Hulk/Doom - double gamma crush does 900k-1 million for two meters, or a little more for 3 meters when you DHC into Sphere Flame.
Tron/Doom - can do a modified "cup of tea" which leads into DHC glitch into Doom "stompy foot" - does 1 million damage, uses two bars but builds that up by itself.
Doom/Hulk - Buktooth loop into Sphere Flame DHC Gamma Crush. Pretty straight forward.
The only thing this team lacks is an OTG assist you can use after hit confirming a throw with Hulk, which is a pretty big weakness if you're going to be running Hulk on point a lot IMO - you can mitigate this somewhat by calling missiles just before doing a command throw, but this can obviously be punished if your throw whiffs, and because it's so slow you don't get much mileage out of it after landing a standard throw/air throw, so you're forced to go for a mix up rather than the guaranteed damage off of a Wesker OTG assist etc.
I fucking love this game.
This is my alt team. Its pretty baller.
Found someone who can actually utilize Hulks AA assist really well. Taskmaster! Use taskmasters arrows that fly straight up at the same time calling Hulk assist. You'll see the arrows bring character back down. There is a really strict dash cr.M you can link while they are falling Which I hope will lead into Taskmasters BnB. Might be better to do a dash L instead actually. Try in corner first because you won't need to dash.
hey ironfags, thoughts on this combo?
Yeap. Actually my combo does more damage then that, same setup though.
Some info on SoCal tournament scene
http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/116/1162004p1.html
Had a few kids come over today and had a long jam session against each other in MVC3. They quickly discovered Sent and they all kept picking him. Doom and Deadpool were the other popular picks where they'd just fill the screen with Plasma Beams and Trigger Happys hahaha
Watching kids getting salty over this game was awesome
I think I want a different team. Dog/Doom/Tron is really solid, and works well together, but doesnt have anything special.
Im thinking one of these: (A lot of these are similar, but with minor differences.)
Dog/Hulk/Doom - Pretty lol but pretty YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR at the same time.
Task/Hulk/Doom - Much the same as the above, but taskmaster is the man.
Pool/Hulk/Doom - Again, but Pool is the man, and red is cool.
Task/Doom/Tron - Awesome keepaway, good in close. Pretty tempted to play this one and try to be as lame as possible. Its similar to my current team, but I don't like playing keepaway dog.
Pool/Doom/Tron - Like the above team, but with a better colour scheme.
Pool/Dog/Tron - I guess I would be playing this around deadpool mostly. I get some DHC trick bullshit from pool -> dog, which is nice.
Pool/Dog/Doom - I kind of like this, but it lacks a certain girl in a robot suit for when the opponent manages to get in. Would need to experiment a bit with what doom assist works best with this team in general though.
Dog/Task/Doom - More DHC glitch crap with dog -> task. Would seem situational, but it's worth it since I tend to get a fuckload of dumb air throws with the dog that I only ever get weak damage off of by just firing out the super.
Dog/Task/Tron - Same but with tron. A bit less in the range department, but better on the defensive.
Much as I am NOT a defensive player by any means, I kind of feel like I want Tron there 90% of the time. I don't like this. I think its hindering me a bit TBH. 30% of my tron calls tend to save my ass, but the other 70% are pretty horrendous imo. Thats why I was looking at Hulk more seriously. Hulk + Doom helps hulk out a shitload, and thanks to his beastastic H, tron isn't AS useful with him as with other characters who lack a bit defensively. She's still fucking AWESOME with him (free gamma crush hitconfirms are win), but if I used hulk, I wouldn't feel like my team was lacking tron if she wasn't there.
As for my Pool/Task picks, Task has damage basically flowing freely from his anus, which he then uses to defecate a sea of pain all over his opponents as he laughs at damage scaling mechanics. This rules. So does his keepaway. Only reason i'm not using him already is that his colours are pretty fucking crap. Then theres deadpool. He strikes me as kind of a weaker taskmaster. They both have really strong games at a distance (deadpools might even be a little better), but deadpool lacks a bit of taskmasters damage, and a lot of his options. But the bolo loop is gangsta, much like the XF quick work loop. And finally, his colours match the red doom. Matching colours is some gamebreaking shit in this game. For reals.
What do you guys think? I'm gonna learn Task/Pool before SS anyway, and brush up on my Hulk and Tron, just so that I can go into it with all my options. I'm just rethinking my flagship team. Of all of those, which one do you guys think is generally the best one? (incl my current dog/doom/tron team)
shoot more bullets
I was playing around with Taskmaster this weekend. He is fucking sick. Taskmaster/Tron/Hulk is what I'm thinking of playing somewhat seriously at some point.
I say learn him, then see what he brings to your team - his BnB does fucking stupid damage and his arrows do more chip than any projectile should ever do. Nigga is good
Aww im definitely gonna learn him. Him and deadpool. Im gonna play all those teams. Just curious to see what other people thought was the best one.
So I'm having trouble with sentinel atm. After a st.S or cr.M, st.S what is the B&B you guys are using? It might just be me but I can't seem to even hit a sj.M, sj.M, sj.H, sj.S. Is there some timing to it?
Don't hold up while launching them. Wait slightly after connecting the S then tap up to follow a a half second later. The M,M,H should work with that timing.
wow that fixed it lol. Cheers for that.
Quote from: electric on April 25, 2011, 08:05:50 PM
I was playing around with Taskmaster this weekend. He is fucking sick. Taskmaster/Tron/Hulk is what I'm thinking of playing somewhat seriously at some point.
I say learn him, then see what he brings to your team - his BnB does fucking stupid damage and his arrows do more chip than any projectile should ever do. Nigga is good
yo Chris does way more chip than ma nigga Task. Also plz don't steal my character =(
Quote from: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on April 25, 2011, 08:55:18 AM
POOL IS GAY TASK IS COOL
WRONG!
I think Pool's projectiles control space shitloads better than Task's and I'm pretty sure the startup is faster. It's really easy to get in on Task w/o an assist to help you. I really think that for keep away purposes Pool is a much better char, and his damage isn't bad either. Pool BnB does around 755k
755 bnb? Notation plz. Are you talking midscreen or bolo in the corner?
And fuck i didnt say pool was gay. cunt.
Mid screen dude. Cr.l, Cr.m, St.H, H.QuickWork, dash cr.m, st.h, M.Quickwork, dash, S, j.M, j.M, dj, j.M, j.H, j.S, KATANARAMA CHIMICHANGAZZZZ, S, j.S, super happy trigger time or w/e air guns is called.
Make sure you jump straight up after the second S to make it easier for your Happy Trigger to hit, if you're in the corner just delay the super till you're closer.
That combo sounds cool - I'm assuming you can go straight into Cutty cutty time after chimichangaz for DHC trick goodness, si ?
Oh true. Didn't realise you could dash cr.m after quick work.
If you want to cuttin time you can QW after CHIMICHANGAZZZZ into lalalalalala
is it realistic to be able to hit confirm the first quick work without maybe an extra cr. l? coz if you get it wrong your most likely gonna eat a big punish. maybe my definition of a bread and butter is just wrong :P
You have 3 hits to hit confirm it. That should be plenty. Plus an extra L would probably rape the damage/hitstun in the ass.
I can do it really really easily. The other problem with an extra L is sometimes it pushes them too far for it to work properly. I've only recently started trying to do the extra cr.m after the first qw. Another thing to note is if you do it in the corner (where you would usually do the bolo loop) you don't need to dash to get the cr.m after the first quick work. Also this combo works on sent without the dashes, so it's piss easy.
guess i better get my random block practice on. btw is the j.h after the d.j, j.m ultra hard to hit? i cant seem to hit it for the life of me.
yeah it's hard. Don't bother with it, it's shit all extra damage.
J.m -> j.h -> j.s is WAAAAY more reliable. Just skip the dj alltogether.
Man I'm liking Viper/Dante/Sentinel.
I hate Dante's character, but main is he cool as hell to play.
More WNF coverage
http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/116/1164250p1.html
Magneto Dante Taskmaster eh
interesting that its on IGN, good that fighters getting more coverage
Quick question:
If you set the dummy in training mode to "all block" does the dummy even block unblockables? Just testing out overheads with the low Felicia assist and dummy keeps blocking it so I'm unsure as to whether or not I'm pulling this off correctly.
im not sure but the assist beam into untechable throw works on cpu with throw tech on so id assume the unblockables would work also
Quote from: Nick4now on May 10, 2011, 06:31:42 PM
Quick question:
If you set the dummy in training mode to "all block" does the dummy even block unblockables? Just testing out overheads with the low Felicia assist and dummy keeps blocking it so I'm unsure as to whether or not I'm pulling this off correctly.
I also am curious about this
Was trying it with a low assist and morrigan jump S and never could hit it
It probably doesn't work on the cpu but most "unblockables" arent actually unblockable just extremely hard to block.
Oh and here I thought unblockable literally means unblockable lol Thanks Ben.