http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iXnPd7POao&feature=player_embedded
it's awesome to see someone using a console character in high level play...given that Luffy only came third in this tournament he still gave Daigo a really good run for his money...even beating him in this set......
Rose is one of my favourite characters and as far as I know only Munta and myself use her regularly......
I hope to see a rebalance in Super with more upsets for the top of the tier listing.....this tournament was a funny one...no Sagats in sight
& he uses a PS1 pad :)
Go Rose!
Hellz yeah....
I'm interested to see that Roses Ultra 2 in play....juggles on....both offence and defensive uses....Hopefully her reflect & soul throw are a lot stronger too....apparently now you can FP, Strong Reflect, FADC into soul throw........
I was having a jam the other day online (Budafists account) and did a soul spark (from mid screen) FADC (after it had just connected) -then straight into Ultra :o ....as far as I know it's the only link she has into her Ultra in SF4 (apart from a crumple focus)......I nearly jizzed my pants when it landed..... :P
I also had a Rose mirror wif some fulla for the first time ever online......we did the whole multiple refelects back and forward...it actually speeds up each time it is reflected....
Soul Spiral cancel into super also looks awesome....
Bring on the Rose I say!
Faaaark yeah...good match man!!!
That's a lot of pressure playing against the beast...and to win!?...that's awesome!!!
and everyone likes to see the underdog comeback to win!!!
For sure bro,
Rose does fuck all damage so you have to rush down like a muthafucker.....in saying that the Ryu match up isn't that bad....her crouching MP is gangster
Real problems are Blanka, Balrog and Sagat......
Fuck that was an awesome watch, thanks for sharing
But holy shit Daigo has clearly done alot of console downloading haha, he was not ill prepared for that shit at ALL!
Which really makes that Rose's effort in the game all the more impressive..
All good man,
I try to watch as many tournaments as possible...eventhubs is an awesome source....
Most of them are Sagat raping everyone so I don't bother to post them unless there interesting...
But a top three placing with Rose thats unheard of.......Luffy is my new hero
The Japaness only play arcade chars, so its not suprising they dunno they matchup.
Those were quite a good watch. Compared to how basic the rest of SF4 is, reflect is actually a fairly interesting mechanic. And the one that negates the fireball builds almost a full bar of meter, which is nuts.
I need to look at her frame data as well, i always find weird that she is safe after those spirals.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on March 10, 2010, 02:03:23 PM
Those were quite a good watch. Compared to how basic the rest of SF4 is, reflect is actually a fairly interesting mechanic. And the one that negates the fireball builds almost a full bar of meter, which is nuts.
I need to look at her frame data as well, i always find weird that she is safe after those spirals.
it depends on range, I've reversal them before Im sure when playing Marc.
Definitely range dependent.
Daigo knows the match up man.....he'd been having money matches months ago against console characters -Rose included......
As it was he jumped onto practise mode against Rose after losing...sussed her out and didn't even drop a round againgst Luffy....
All that being said.....he got beat......
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Ditto what Fluxcore said.....
Wonder what Fuerte can punish it with?
Although this is a discussion for another topic methinks. Ill have to give munta some more games. In the few games we've had Ive been approaching it a lot like the ryu match and having fairly good success, but the recovery on the spirals throws me off.
Quote from: DVS on March 09, 2010, 07:28:27 PM
I was having a jam the other day online (Budafists account) and did a soul spark (from mid screen) FADC (after it had just connected) -then straight into Ultra :o ....as far as I know it's the only link she has into her Ultra in SF4 (apart from a crumple focus)......I nearly jizzed my pants when it landed..... :P
I also had a Rose mirror wif some fulla for the first time ever online......we did the whole multiple refelects back and forward...it actually speeds up each time it is reflected....
Soul Spiral cancel into super also looks awesome....
Bring on the Rose I say!
Yeah bro landing a Soul Spark or even FADCing a reflect into Ultra is power cool. I've only done it a handful of times in a real match myself. But when you land it... Awesome! Something about hitting someone with their own fireball to link an ultra is just so awesome.
As for mirrors I'm a bit scared about facing you in a tournament since I don't know shit about Rose vs Rose as a matchup ;)
Quote from: DVS on March 09, 2010, 09:10:56 PM
For sure bro,
Rose does fuck all damage so you have to rush down like a muthafucker.....in saying that the Ryu match up isn't that bad....her crouching MP is gangster
Real problems are Blanka, Balrog and Sagat......
Completely agreed. Blanka, Rog and Sagat are a pain in the arse. Geif can be a pain too. It's not hard just boring as hell. Having to rush down all the time to win with Rose is awesome. If you manage to scrape a perfect is awesome because each round takes so long to win. :)
Quote from: ILL_BILL on March 10, 2010, 03:36:46 PM
Wonder what Fuerte can punish it with?
Although this is a discussion for another topic methinks. Ill have to give munta some more games. In the few games we've had Ive been approaching it a lot like the ryu match and having fairly good success, but the recovery on the spirals throws me off.
Yeah it's true it's all distance dependent. Sometimes I just throw out a few more jabs just to get safe distance. But nothings worse than wiffing a spiral in someones face.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on March 10, 2010, 03:36:46 PM
Wonder what Fuerte can punish it with?
Although this is a discussion for another topic methinks. Ill have to give munta some more games. In the few games we've had Ive been approaching it a lot like the ryu match and having fairly good success, but the recovery on the spirals throws me off.
EX spiral is -6 on block, LK spiral is -8 on block - as far as I know, these are the two versions you'll see the most... but saying this, unless they're performed at point blank range, they'll probably be unpunishable... IMO, your best bet is to just keep blocking... Rose's point blank mixup options aren't that scary. Tech the throw and get to a more suitable range
Fuck, i thought EX spiral was the least safe, thats the one i always seem to be able to punish. Although, maybe its because it travels further and leaves rose at a less safe distance. I still find it weird though. More experience needed.
Word Munta......
The dude I played the mirror against was okay....but I doubt he's got the experience you have with Rose......have to wait till the next tournament to have a few rounds.....we gotta try that contious reflect thing........
Reflect FADC into Ultra....hmmm didn't think of that one...agreed that is gangster......."he's your projectile back...oh and a dirty pedo rag also".....(the sound FX when the rag attaches itself to the wrist are kinda gross).....slurppp....
I just mash crouching MP in most situations where the spirals blocked....whack, whack, whack!!! zzzzt, zzzzt, zzzzt (FP sound FX)......
Don't worry I wasted Munta at Roseball and that's all that matters. :P
Quote from: massi4h on March 10, 2010, 07:11:31 PM
Don't worry I wasted Munta at Roseball and that's all that matters. :P
Would like to take your Akuma on...would be an interesting match up......have to get ma reflect on and dash around like a loon to avoid demon flips and projectiles...... ;)
Quote from: massi4h on March 10, 2010, 07:11:31 PM
Don't worry I wasted Munta at Roseball and that's all that matters. :P
Beating me at roseball isn't revenge for getting your crossup caught by my ultra kicking you out of the losers in Nationals my friend ;) :P
But yeah I lost to bill and Mason in Roseball. I suck at it. :'(
Yeah man you can reflect red fireballs in the Akuma vs Rose matchup. It doesn't scare me as much now I don't have as much trouble with demon flips. Only time I've ever beaten Andy was when he was Akuma.
Edit BTW holy shit!:
Rose - She can juggle off soul reflect into air throw or U1 or ex fireball. U2 is very good. Can corner juggle into orbs. Each orb can hit once before it dissipates, including on block. They do about 20% damage each on full ultra. Wiz noted that he needs to check what happens when projectiles hit them. When the orbs activate, there is a delay before you can do special moves again, including throw. They delay felt like 3-4 seconds. Orbs cross up very easy. Rose seemed powerful.
http://www.shoryuken.com/content.php?r=329-SRK-Plays-Final-SSF4-Build-Spills-Guts
coz I only learnt akuma that day I played u :P hehe
Quote from: zosla on March 11, 2010, 09:38:42 AM
coz I only learnt akuma that day I played u :P hehe
Broooooo... >_>
Yeah Munta, thats awesome news for Rose players.....according to Mr Wizard she is "Strong"..... ;D
FADC into U1 I've been praying for that! Thank you SSF4 development team! ;D
try my Kuma now :P
Momochi ftw!!!
Wait a minute...
MASON YOU GOT KNOCKED OUT OF LOSERS BRACKET AT NATIONALS BY MUNTA'S ROSE?!?!?!
EPIC WIN!
Another epic win for Rose!!!!!
"Try this on for size!"
Quote from: Skullator on March 11, 2010, 02:09:38 PM
Wait a minute...
MASON YOU GOT KNOCKED OUT OF LOSERS BRACKET AT NATIONALS BY MUNTA'S ROSE?!?!?!
EPIC WIN!
Yeah but it was reeeeeally close though. It was down to the last game of the set and I had pretty much one hit left or something. You were there, didn't you see it? Goodtimes!
Mason will probably have his revenge next time I'm in Auckland or he's down south though. I think most of the dudes I knocked out of losers have gotten their SF revenge by now anyways :D
Yeah I remember seeing it being like... What a beast Rose.
But I didn't remember Mason being in losers and getting ggpo'd by you! Rofl!
Yeah how did I forget that lol. I managed to bait his ultra before and then block and punish with mine earlier on in the match. Then on the last round after a knockdown I went for an empty crossup jump-in to bait his ultra and do the same. Except the ultra hit me and put me on minimal health then I got hit by a soul spark or something lol. I think I know how she plays a bit more now so yeah watch out next time you're up munta.
omg that was fucking boring.
Grats to Luffy though. Aparently Daigo downloads and rapes him the next day though.
so fucking boring though. At least this new Ultra should make her more interesting in SSFIV. By the sounds of it as soon as she activates it you pretty much have to stop attacking her cause if you get hit by an orb she can combo you straight after.
Yeah was more of a zoning, spacing type match...but still cred to Luffy...his corner pressure at the death was choice....
New Ultra possibilities and links for Rose are really interesting..can't wait to rip them when Super comes out.....
in all honesty i think diago is a tad boring really
from my rose knowledge it looks like she has very few attacking options against ryu
Quote from: Barnstorm on March 12, 2010, 04:20:00 PM
in all honesty i think diago is a tad boring really
from my rose knowledge it looks like she has very few attacking options against ryu
She does have a very floaty jump...so jumping is out of the question
Her focus, Standng HK and Forward HK are solid, crouching MP and MK slide are also good options against RYU....soul spiral is also safe 60% of the time....
Absorbing projectiles is a good way to avoid ground pressure and the timing against Ryu is easy....
Basically the game plan is....use the ground game to push him into the corner......if he jumps or fireballs at just outta sweep distance Ultra.....
If that doesn't work sit back outta medium range and projectile battle him...charge meter (absorb is a half a blue bar) bait the jump and nail him with the super soul spark....
Stop all ground combos with Crouching MP...avoid cross ups on wake up by using soul spiral.....
EX Soul throw is good if you use it right...but if you whiff...Ryu will have all the time in the world to punish......
Watch out for his focus and tatsu....
Well this is what I do when I take a Ryu on...anyone else have any thoughts?
How awesome are those soul satellite juggles!!!
Have to see whether it's possible to do them mid screen also..........not too damaging -but I bet the stun is up there.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nOA9RWqEfM