Was chatting a bit about GGPO today on the chat, and it got me thinking... Why dont more people in our little community use GGPO and the vent server to play games? It perplexes me a bit, and given how much our community could benefit by playing some of these great games online I was wondering if people could answer these questions:
Why don't you use GGPO?
Why don't you use the vent server?
What can we do as a community to start getting more people onto GGPO and playing?
sub standard hardware.
i dont want to play with lag.
Quote from: boringryu on March 23, 2010, 11:57:37 AM
i dont want to play with lag.
Yeah I can understand this, as I don't play SF4 online at all because of the lag... but with GGPo the netcode is a lot better. And I'm not advocating that it is as good as playing offline, but isn't it better than nothing?
I'm not being argumentative btw, just trying to get some discussion going.
Set time for games via this board? I could do most weeknights or Sunday afternoons if it was organised.
I know one of the main reasons I'm not on a lot is I don't have a lot of spare time and whenever I have jumped on at random I haven't seen any of you guys on there. I don't tend to be near my PC unless I have work to do.
If there was a set time I could make an effort to be on otherwise I just tend to play SF4 where I can almost be guarenteed comp or just play games on the PS3 in the lounge with the Mrs. We're playing God Of War 3 AND Final Fantasy XIII.
For me, there's a few small details that make using GGPO/Vent a bit of a mission
1) I use Macs. I'm a web developer by trade, and therefore only own a Macbook and an iMac. Yes, you can dual boot/virtualise Windows to get around this, but in practice, I just find myself actually ENJOYING using Mac OS much more than Windows. It's a personal preference, but it's an a prominent part of what I do for a living as well as a hobby. Because GGPO isn't cross platform, it makes it a bit of a chore to boot up my Windows partition and fire up GGPO for...
2) ST/Alpha 2. Yes, these are great games... I actually really enjoy playing ST. But it's a whole new game at a whole new speed. The characters don't particularly appeal to me, and despite the play mechanics being quite similar to SF4, I just feel like a total scrub even going NEAR it... had I played more ST before I picked up SF4, I'm sure this wouldn't be so much of a problem, but I still don't like the characters very much. As for Alpha 2, I just don't have the time to learn the ins and outs of the game to actually feel comfortable that I'm actually on an even playing field. Learning the match ups and knowing what is safe/unsafe etc. is a big time commitment that I just can't afford.
For me, it seems as though #1 is directly related to #2 - because it takes annoyingly long to get GGPO to a state where it's playable, learning the games seems like more of a chore, whereas with SF4, I can just turn on the PS3 and jump into training mode while I wait for someone to come online or whatever - and because I already learnt the game when I had 3 months off due to being made redundant, I feel like I already know the ins and outs, whereas I would need a similar 3 month time period to learn the older games, which are - lets face it... old.
Hope that sheds some light on why I personally don't use GGPO as often as I would ideally like.
Why don't I use ggpo?
No-one to play against, all you auckland fags complain about lag. I don't have the luxury of offline play and now don't have any online play either.
Why don't I use vent?
Every time I go on there, the only people on are talking about WoW, which is a pretty massive turn-off.
Having said all that, if anyone actually jumps onto the chat and goes OI ALAN PLAY ME AT A2 I would absolutely go on.
What if I said OI ALAN PLAY ME AT PUZZLE FIGHTER! Would you play? I'm keen to play some organised 3s I guess. Or any of the marvel games.
Quote from: electric on March 23, 2010, 12:04:34 PM
I just find myself actually ENJOYING using Mac OS much more than Windows.
This makes absolutely no difference if all you are doing is loading up GGPO and playing.
Quote from: massi4h on March 23, 2010, 12:12:04 PM
What if I said OI ALAN PLAY ME AT PUZZLE FIGHTER! Would you play? I'm keen to play some organised 3s I guess. Or any of the marvel games.
I like puzzle fighter, so yes. I would balk a bit at xmen though because I never learnt how to play it.
Quote from: electric on March 23, 2010, 12:04:34 PM
For me, there's a few small details that make using GGPO/Vent a bit of a mission
1) I use Macs. I'm a web developer by trade, and therefore only own a Macbook and an iMac. Yes, you can dual boot/virtualise Windows to get around this, but in practice, I just find myself actually ENJOYING using Mac OS much more than Windows. It's a personal preference, but it's an a prominent part of what I do for a living as well as a hobby. Because GGPO isn't cross platform, it makes it a bit of a chore to boot up my Windows partition and fire up GGPO for...
2) ST/Alpha 2. Yes, these are great games... I actually really enjoy playing ST. But it's a whole new game at a whole new speed. The characters don't particularly appeal to me, and despite the play mechanics being quite similar to SF4, I just feel like a total scrub even going NEAR it... had I played more ST before I picked up SF4, I'm sure this wouldn't be so much of a problem, but I still don't like the characters very much. As for Alpha 2, I just don't have the time to learn the ins and outs of the game to actually feel comfortable that I'm actually on an even playing field. Learning the match ups and knowing what is safe/unsafe etc. is a big time commitment that I just can't afford.
For me, it seems as though #1 is directly related to #2 - because it takes annoyingly long to get GGPO to a state where it's playable, learning the games seems like more of a chore, whereas with SF4, I can just turn on the PS3 and jump into training mode while I wait for someone to come online or whatever - and because I already learnt the game when I had 3 months off due to being made redundant, I feel like I already know the ins and outs, whereas I would need a similar 3 month time period to learn the older games, which are - lets face it... old.
Hope that sheds some light on why I personally don't use GGPO as often as I would ideally like.
Didn't realise it was so difficult on MAC. When I was running linux I would just kick VMware in the guts, and then load up GGPO.
Hmm... its a pity more people don't want to learn alpha2. I guess I'm lucky cause I grew up playing all the fighting games, so they are all like second nature to me.
For what it's worth, alpha 2 is very easy to learn, imo as easy as street fighter IV.
Thanks for your insight though. Helps a bit. You too Graham. Also I don't agree about a game being old being a negative. There are plaenty of old games that people still play e.g.:chess, checkers, etc. I guess it is more a perspective thing than anything else.
Quote from: fluxcore on March 23, 2010, 12:12:47 PM
This makes absolutely no difference if all you are doing is loading up GGPO and playing.
That's the thing. I find it very hard to give up my normal desktop environment JUST to use GGPO. If there was a native Mac client I'd be more likely to use it - hell, I jump on Mame OS X from time to time to fuck around in 3s and ST because it's right there, and I can still chat/surf/whatever I want without feeling dirty
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on March 23, 2010, 12:35:33 PM
Didn't realise it was so difficult on MAC. When I was running linux I would just kick VMware in the guts, and then load up GGPO.
It's not so much that it's difficult, as like you said, it's just a matter of launching VMware (or in my case, Parallels) and then loading up GGPO - but it's a bit of a system tax even with 4gb of ram to spare - I'm one of those people who really, REALLY hates waiting. Waiting for Windows to boot while sitting there eagerly, waiting to play is a huge turn off... Yes - I'm fucking impatient lol
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on March 23, 2010, 12:35:33 PM
Also I don't agree about a game being old being a negative. There are plaenty of old games that people still play e.g.:chess, checkers, etc. I guess it is more a perspective thing than anything else.
I guess what I meant to get across was, if I had the choice of learning an older game like A2/ST or a newer game (maybe BlazBlue/KOF13 or whatever) I'd be more inclined to pick the newer game. I absolutely have nothing against old games, as like I said earlier, I really like playing ST - just not as much as I enjoy the convenience of SF4 and the PS3
lol guess I'll put in my bit.
I use vent, not all teh time but only when I am hanging knowledge and thoughts with people (Euan) as he seems like the only one ever asking.
GGPO - I don't know how to use it that well, I could play offline but not fimiliar with online play.
Also I will have to relearn another game which I don't have time to of course.
And ther eis NO competitions in the older games, so it makes me reluctant in trying to push myself to get better at it.
I only played on GGPO while my xbox's were being repaired, had some good games with stu on Alpha2.
But other times i jumped on there were no NZism dudes playing, only brazil players.
My computer is ultra old and ultra slow and ultra kaka needa upgrade.
no ones on when im on.
I don't own a desktop and playing games on a laptop is just queer. I have GGPO on my work laptop since my xbox went all kaka (lol) but when I jump on vent/ggpo no one else is online. Playing games on PC also feels like such a big effort (probably still feeling disgusting from wow, lol) compared to turning the tv on and sitting on the couch playing xbox.
And lastly, I don't have the time to play enough SF4, let alone learn 3S, A2, A3, HF, ST, CvS2, MvC2 and anything else you think is worth playing :p I like the look of Blazblue and TvC as well, and would prefer to learn those games over older games.
On the note of old games still being played. While chess/draughts/snakes and ladders are all old games, remember that the rules for those games haven't changed since their inception (well I doubt they have), but every time a new version of a fighting game comes out, the rules are different and you have to relearn them. You don't really see sports teams saying "I don't like the current rules of rugby because that makes the game boring" and then playing with the rules from 1985 because its more fun. They play the most recent version because thats whats competitive and what the game has evolved to.
That said, you could argue that SF2:HF is a completely different game to SF3:3S, and they're both completely different to MVC2, and I'd probably agree with you. The mechanics ('pure fighting game', game with 'supers/parries', game with 'supers/team assists', respectively) in those games are all completely different and are not really what you would call 'rule changes'. SF4 -> SSF4 will be a 'rule change' and make the older version completely redundant.
Hopefully you can see what I'm getting at?
On that note, I might jump on ggpo now :D
Yes but these games aren't replacements they are just new games. In rugby, you do update the rules. We're not updating the game, simply playing a new one.
Also I got ggpo working at uni atm, so what do you wanna play?
Rather be playing SF4 than those old ugly games.
Mason, hook me up next time I see you at uni hahahaha I wanna play ggpo between lectures xD
Quote from: massi4h on March 23, 2010, 03:24:29 PM
Yes but these games aren't replacements they are just new games. In rugby, you do update the rules. We're not updating the game, simply playing a new one.
Also I got ggpo working at uni atm, so what do you wanna play?
I can't get on GGPO now, saying connection lost...
Just keep trying it'll work eventually. And yeah smoof, when you gimme back my TZ card :P We can have GGPO keyboard battles between lectures.
Quote from: OLEET on March 23, 2010, 03:26:20 PM
Rather be playing SF4 than those old ugly games.
And I'd rather be playing those ugly old games than that steaming pile of shit sf4
go play fucking doa if graphics > gameplay to you
is it or can it be possible to program macros on ggpo online play? Was playing 3s against some random Australian dude who was a robot when it comes to ken's signature combos and lag doesnt seems to affect him(her) one bit.
Any pc program can have macros written for it. Of course, so could any console if someone invested enough time into it.
I guess so, overall the matches are quite entertaining and I agree, GGPO is underutilised here in NZ, not many NZers most of the time.
Good idea Alan, wanna play DOA4 on XBL? Yes you do.
omg cant tell who's trolling and who's not :D :D :D
Just play 3s
3s is UNPLAYABLE online though!
--king troll
Quote from: Toomeke on March 23, 2010, 04:29:54 PM
omg cant tell who's trolling and who's not :D :D :D
Just play 3s
I know.. there is some epic Yomi games happening in the trolling in this thread.
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^^ Trollin'
It doesn't support Mac.
I loves me some ggpo
reason i dont use vent at the mo is
my laptop blue screened not so long ago so had to reinstall everything and now my inbuilt mic wont work properly
im always keen for ggpo though
i even play 3rd strike which i dont really like
be keen to play some vampior sav but ive got like a total of 5 games under my belt
lately though been super busy and cant really play late so no one is on when i am (bout 5-6)
ill prob be able to play in uni break though in two weeks
???
On topic.
Old games are a lot harder to get into than SFIV and the likes. The graphics are 'ugly', the game mechanics are often hard to grasp and the execution barrier is generally high....a lot higher than SFIV for instance. There's not a lot of gratification either. In IV its very easy to land some random shit and start getting win's. After getting a few wins in IV you can look up some general strats, watch some vids and make the shift from being a noob to somewhat competent very quickly. Just look at Balrog, Ryu, Sagat and Rufus. All of these character's have a very small learning curve and happen to be the most popular characters amongst IV player's looking to win. I could probably teach someone how to start winning with Balrog in half an hour lol. Now you take a game like 3s where the gap between a competent player and a scrub is huge. I have spent more time learning about that game than I have 4 and without out a doubt I am still a scrub at it. If ya wanna get something out of ggpo then you have spend alot more time practicing and reading than actually playing. Thats time that alot of people arent even willing to put into IV. A2 is the obvious exception ;D
Whether/when SSF4 gets released on PC will determine if I'm gonna do a PC upgrade so I can keep playing 3S on GGPO... Unless capcom decides to release an arcade perfect port on PS3, which won't happen, ever.
Lavender Necro will never die.
Even if they do release 3s on xbox/ps3, the net code will only be equal to or worse than ggpo.
Stop being a bitch Jonny and go get a fucken mic you cheap bastard.
Quote from: stereomonkey on March 23, 2010, 06:40:38 PM
Stop being a bitch Jonny and go get a fucken mic you cheap bastard.
says the kettle too the pot
when you sortin out your xbox mic?
but i plan to get one in a couple weeks
Fuck, you got me there hahaha.
Maybe I'll buy one this week. Egg :)
Quote from: fluxcore on March 23, 2010, 03:40:31 PM
And I'd rather be playing those ugly old games than that steaming pile of shit sf4
go play fucking doa if graphics > gameplay to you
So, in saying this.... Nationals on CRTs now?
Quote from: OLEET on March 23, 2010, 07:11:33 PM
So, in saying this.... Nationals on CRTs now?
Nope, and it has nothing to do with how things look. Happily, there's no reason for it to change the gameplay either.
Nice try though.
So lag doesn't change the gameplay for anything?
Don't make me smack you.
Where are we going with this thread? These couple of post are going in a different direction to what is actually being discussed.....
SO, to get the ball rolling properly here is my little segment.
Why you not on GGPO already?
Fun games, chatting to peeps and having a laugh, playing shit for free (since you already own the appropriate game boards already).
I guess those who have thought about jumping on GGPO are usually stopped by the following problems -
A) Complicated/Settings/Other shit. Well shit, can't help much there.
PC can't run it? Then bugger though I had it running on a old 700mhz processor, 128mb ram and it well, worked.
Different OS then windows? Give a vmware a go. You know, try it once and if it is no good then forget about it and continue your usual stuff.
Not good at settings on routers? Go to portforward.com and search your modem/router. It's a great place in teaching you what portforward is and how to do it on your modem/router. Still stuck, ask for help from one of the guys here in the forums.
B) You wanna play but no one on GGPO when I sign in? Then jump on either the vent or chat and yell at someone to play you (or text chat if no mic)
C) Nobody on vent or chat? Well then fuck I don't know, maybe post in the "ggpo tonight" (http://nzism.alphaism.com/forum/index.php/topic,605.msg32653.html#new) thread as some members are already doing and post what time your going to be on and if anyone else wants to play then they will reply back. This applies to all members, including you fellow mods! (shit, we aint psychic at knowing that you wanna play and when)
D) Don't wanna play? Then continue what your doing already.
I love GGPO. ;D there nothing wrong for me. Especially classic 2D's Artwork and enjoying the old school ( i dunno how to express!! ::) you Know in those days technology is not as advance as today compare now days ) LOVING it so much
The only problem i face now :
1st : My flatmate use all the gigs playing WOW. So i don't get a chance to play
2nd : No one play when im on ( doesn't really effect me ) i can play others....but certain game only
Let Me know whoever like Metal slug X or final fight ( Loves all walk through games < wish they put alien vs predator and Metal slug 3 Best version ) once i get unlimited connection should be sweet .
avp yesssss
Quote from: OLEET on March 23, 2010, 07:11:33 PM
So, in saying this.... Nationals on CRTs now?
I don't want to say it but... Smoofologist!!!!
Honestly whats with the hate with SF4? too over reacted tbh, like EA sports says "it's just a game" like it then you play it.
Also an Xbox360 with any LCD monitor will solve the lag issue... but even saying SOME says there is lag still... which I disagree.
PS3 obviously shows significant lag with the LCD monitors at Giga but I really don't feel it for the xbox and I am usually the one who complaisn about such lag issues :P
On topic.
Myabe its a good idea to get a setup of GGPO during tournament\ Casuals and show people how good/bad this thing is and what it can do etc.
Quote from: zosla on March 24, 2010, 08:44:27 AM
I don't want to say it but... Smoofologist!!!!
Honestly whats with the hate with SF4? too over reacted tbh, like EA sports says "it's just a game" like it then you play it.
EA Sports... It's in the Game
ANYWAY
I just need to get off my ass and back into it. Loved playing GGPO online. Even with my scrubiness, I feel I'm better at ST than I am SF4. Says the Tekken Player.
At a new place, so need to re-setup port forwarding etc, but first, need to reset router/modem cause i forgot the password on it, but before that I need to contact telecom/xtra cause I forgot my password to that. Before that, I need to get my father in-law to give me authorisation on his telecom account cause it's under his name.
Yeah, I need to get off my ass.
@gunsmoke
I don't think ggpo uses much bandwidth at all cause like whenever I get capped I still get pretty good connections to people. Feels pretty much the same as if im not capped. That set a while back against lenny and toomeke was with me capped and it was very playable.
I agree we need some kind of set time for when everyone's on. I want to play some hyperfighting but that rooms always dead. And someone please play SFA2 so I can spectate and learn some shiiiiiiittttt
Tournament would be cool
I'll be on tonight, probably drunk though
I was just trolling sort of.
The only game I really play is 3rd strike, and I play in the arcade so I don't want to fuck with that.
Other games? sure I'd play on GGPO, but have no way to talk to a lot of you guys cause my IRC broke, and not super keen on vent until I met some dudes.
Quote from: redtie on March 24, 2010, 12:18:40 PM
@gunsmoke
I want to play some hyperfighting but that rooms always dead. And someone please play SFA2 so I can spectate and learn some shiiiiiiittttt
Tournament would be cool
There's a problem with Hyperfighting in that it has random frameskipping, so the game desyncs often enough that no-one plays it. The next best thing is Anniversary Edition, since you can select hyper fighting chars.
I'm sure we can sort something out for A2... I reckon Lenny and I would be happy to play some more games...
And a couple of tournaments have been tried, but basically online tournaments don't work, due to humanity.
Quote from: boringryu on March 24, 2010, 01:06:39 PM
I was just trolling sort of.
The only game I really play is 3rd strike, and I play in the arcade so I don't want to fuck with that.
Other games? sure I'd play on GGPO, but have no way to talk to a lot of you guys cause my IRC broke, and not super keen on vent until I met some dudes.
bro vent is all good
everyone is welcoming
once they/me get to know you then trash talk can begin
i still dont know which player you are are you the guy with the shadowloo tshirt?