Hi lads,
Some of the guys who came over to EVO APAC in Sydney were asking about how we set things up for locals here in Australia in terms of platform, screens, etc so that it could perhaps be replicated in NZ so as to maintain some kind of standard.
One of the biggest problems with SFIV and SSFIV (and really, any locally played competitive console game) is the output. Typically a variety of LCD televisions and desktop screens are used combined with a variety of connection methods (VGA, component, HDMI et al) and it is this variety of hardware used that invokes the potential for varied input lag. More about that in another post I made here: http://nzism.alphaism.com/forum/index.php/topic,859.msg25588.html#msg25588 (http://nzism.alphaism.com/forum/index.php/topic,859.msg25588.html#msg25588)
Input lag can also creep into setups that pass through streaming and splitter setups though this is usually minimal and depends largely on the hardware and methods used.
In Sydney our regular gatherings are typically played on Xboxes where possible (the reasons why are cited in the post linked above) with Madcatz TE sticks and we output to BenQ E2400 HD monitors connected via HDMI leads. For sound, we jack a pair of basic stereo speakers into the BenQ screen's built in stereo socket which receives sound via the HDMI connection to the console. Note that the BenQ E2400 HDs are no longer manufactured, but some still float around. The successor is the equally viable G2420 HD. The difference being that the G series no longer includes the (shitty) built in speakers and features a slightly different visual design.
These are typically lag-free setups and this is also what we use in tournaments such as the recent EVO APAC and also at the annual OzHadou nationals.
As a comparison, EVO in the USA runs on Playstation 3 consoles and outputs to 22" ASUS screens. Why? EVO is in part sponsored by Sony (hence the PS3s being used) and the 22" ASUS screens yield minimal input lag when output to at 720p (the PS3's fixed resolution for SFIV/SSFIV's output).
I hope this helps. Obviously this information isn't going to make everyone drop what they are currently using and go and buy new shit, but I figured it was worth sharing how we set things up here after speaking with Gankatron about it a couple weeks back.
The biggest piss-off I have personally is this lag stuff which is a side effect of LCD technology and its current inadequacies. It invokes just enough potential variability in setups to throw people off their game momentarily until they adjust to a new or foreign setup. This is particularly annoying for people who drive link-heavy characters and so on.
Cheers Gamogo. This is a really helpful piece of information actually, given that lag issues here are a major point of conflict.
Unfortunately we don't have the resources to be able to guarantee such a setup.
Hopefully what was shown by the lag tests on the GIGA monitors shuts everyone up though. Now they just need to move on to bitching about seeding, or lighting, or the feel of the toilet paper at the venue or something.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 08, 2010, 12:54:33 PM
Unfortunately we don't have the resources to be able to guarantee such a setup.
Hopefully what was shown by the lag tests on the GIGA monitors shuts everyone up though. Now they just need to move on to bitching about seeding, or lighting, or the feel of the toilet paper at the venue or something.
Giga doesnt actually have toilet paper. Actually this conversation came up at the last ranbats. Its a pretty dirty argument though. Definitely a sore point for the community.
Obviously there are those of us that are used to a bit of luxury that would prefer something at least 2ply, but the GI balla in me does kind of want to pinch his pennies and vote for home brand. But that shit is like trying to clean your ass with sandpaper-coated razor wire. Do we request quality, or financially viable? Its a pretty tough call. We need to wipe away our differences, and squeeze out some kind of solution.
id like some paper towels at least to dry my hands after i wash the fecal matter and urine off them.
Haha I noticed while taking a slash there was no toilet paper at ranbats
Quote from: fluxcore on June 08, 2010, 12:54:33 PM
Unfortunately we don't have the resources to be able to guarantee such a setup.
Hopefully what was shown by the lag tests on the GIGA monitors shuts everyone up though. Now they just need to move on to bitching about seeding, or lighting, or the feel of the toilet paper at the venue or something.
Actually everyone seemed to be on a real positive vibe. I think the expectation of failure or negative reactions may be not be worth the price of being right.
Quote from: samurai black on June 08, 2010, 01:14:35 PM
id like some paper towels at least to dry my hands after i wash the fecal matter and urine off them.
For the last time, stop eating at KFC.
no u
Thank Gamogo for the information, as I have also laid this out with the people around here but they are unwilling to accept what I had to say. It seems people didn't want to recognize what I had to say and just threw it out the window without hesitation, but until another person who speaks the same the outcome is totally different!!! how suprizing this maybe.
Giga does have toilet paper, just randoms stealing it all, it may not be the best quality but what do you expect from a net cafe? I've seen much dirtier cafe's toilet than what they have at giga...
Quote from: zosla on June 08, 2010, 01:37:02 PM
Giga does have toilet paper, just randoms stealing it all, it may not be the best quality but what do you expect from a net cafe? I've much dirtier cafe's toilet than what they have at giga...
like midcity before they moved.
and then midcity after they moved :D
Stealing toilet paper? That's rock bottom.
there was toilet paper there... it just happened to be all over the floor.
Quote from: xkheretic on June 08, 2010, 01:56:02 PM
there was toilet paper there... it just happened to be all over the floor.
Due to uneducated people or rather.... fucktards who care less to make a mess wherever they go.
Quote from: zosla on June 08, 2010, 01:37:02 PM
Thank Gamogo for the information, as I have also laid this out with the people around here but they are unwilling to accept what I had to say. It seems people didn't want to recognize what I had to say and just threw it out the window without hesitation, but until another person who speaks the same the outcome is totally different!!! how suprizing this maybe.
you don't get it andy. we're not saying that benq 24 inch monitors on xbox with hdmi are bad, but it's not as simple as saying "LETS DO WHAT THEY DID BECAUSE DAIGO LIKED IT~!~!1``1`~!~!!!" because where the hell are you supposed to get that kind of set up at a reasonable price?
we've done
lag tests on the monitors that we can get access too (
you were even there) and lenny has decided that the ASUS monitors are fit for purpose. we're talking something between
0 and 1 frame of lag.
just give it a break, will ya?
Wtf Andy? You didnt post anything even REMOTELY similar to what Gamogo posted.
Yours was more like "Omg gaiz daigo likes HDMI im right youre wrong la lolololol" Noone is going to take that seriously. It was a stupid post, and you did yourself a service by deleting it.
Not only that, you have changed what you were saying like 3 times. First we said "we want no lag", then you said "But EVO has lag, so we should have lag as well", Now Gamogo is saying Aus setups have no lag, and youre trying to claim that you were correct the whole time? No. Im sorry. Thats Bullshit. No two ways about it. Get your head out of your ass. As a matter of fact, this gives me an excuse to break out the double facepalm.
(http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/files/2009/09/doublefacepalm.jpg)
Gamogo's had specs, examples, and reasoning. Which is ACTUALLY useful, and gives us a point of reference.
What we have and what Australia have available are two totally different scenarios, which require TOTALLY DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS.
As for the toilet paper thing, really? They have some? Where the hell is it? I had to use Richards jumper last time.
Quote from: Rorooze on June 08, 2010, 02:02:10 PM
we're not saying that benq 24 inch monitors on xbox with hdmi are bad
Just to clarify, this is actually the exact opposite of what I would say. My home setup is an xbox with hdmi on a benq E2200HD (which is the exact same as the models the aussies are using, just a 22" panel instead of 24") SPECIFICALLY because I researched the hell out of it and determined it to have max of 1 frame lag (and that's only very occasionally).
In other news, lol.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 08, 2010, 02:33:42 PM
Just to clarify, this is actually the exact opposite of what I would say. My home setup is an xbox with hdmi on a benq E2200HD (which is the exact same as the models the aussies are using, just a 22" panel instead of 24") SPECIFICALLY because I researched the hell out of it and determined it to have max of 1 frame lag (and that's only very occasionally).
In other news, lol.
Argh, quoting a double negative and using another negative has me confused :(
lol @ richards jumper.
Actually, im going to do this again to reiterate:
Quote from: zosla on June 08, 2010, 01:37:02 PM
Thank Gamogo for the information, as I have also laid this out with the people around here but they are unwilling to accept what I had to say. It seems people didn't want to recognize what I had to say and just threw it out the window without hesitation, but until another person who speaks the same the outcome is totally different!!! how suprizing this maybe.
Giga does have toilet paper, just randoms stealing it all, it may not be the best quality but what do you expect from a net cafe? I've seen much dirtier cafe's toilet than what they have at giga...
(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/2/29679/941610-jumbofacepalm.jpg_jumbo_facepalm_image_by_arem9682_super.jpg)
Quote from: Rorooze on June 08, 2010, 02:38:28 PM
Argh, quoting a double negative and using another negative has me confused :(
Ok, maybe NOT clarify then, ahah.
I know exactly we can't mimic the setup, what I am poiting is FOR EXAMPLE this is what they are using over their maybe we can get something similar. Understand? I am not asking us to be the same as we don't have the funds.
When I said the EVO setups possibly lags but mimial sicne they use the assus vw22h? and you guys want 0 lag? so my question was base upon, 1: should we follow EVO setup? or go with our so called 0 lag setup? But some just went blasting off with rediculous comments about indepth specs and crap. Things can be considered or taken into account and not just say no I am right and u r wrong.
I prefer Lenny's bar graph than ur picture in all honesty....
I know we did the test at Giga because I fucking did it with you guys. I didn't say the assus monitor was bad or not to use them, I just quoted that Gamogo stated practically the same thing as I did with an extra LCD monitor model rather than what I quoted BenQ 22-24 inch monitor, though I did say I can get teh exact model if needed. but before I could do that some smart ass give some stupid ass comment which I could really care less to reply to.
Btw, I am not the one's complaining about lag, frame data crap nor execution missing, its YOU guys.
Because majority of you can't even adapt to a minor 1-3 frame difference in gameplay, I don't really care if its the big monitor at giga or the smaller monitor lag free monitor at EVo, the result is still teh same.
Oh my god.
I'm going to pick only one thing to comment on here.
'Following' EVO's setup would cost just as much as getting an entirely lagless setup.
Whose turn is it next?
andy, you're missing my point
the asus monitors are confirmed as being good, end of story. no need to keep going on about it.
Quote from: zosla on June 08, 2010, 03:08:28 PM
I know exactly we can't mimic the setup, what I am poiting is FOR EXAMPLE this is what they are using over their maybe we can get something similar. Understand? I am not asking us to be the same as we don't have the funds.
Thats fine. Wouldv'e been a good idea to actually state that at the beginning rather than look like a tool.
Quote
When I said the EVO setups possibly lags but mimial sicne they use the assus vw22h? and you guys want 0 lag? so my question was base upon, 1: should we follow EVO setup? or go with our so called 0 lag setup? But some just went blasting off with rediculous comments about indepth specs and crap. Things can be considered or taken into account and not just say no I am right and u r wrong.
I prefer Lenny's bar graph than ur picture in all honesty....
This is stupid. 'blasting off about indepth specs and crap' is the only way to find the best setup for us. Do you expect us to just guess, and hope for the best? Thats retarded, and lazy, and ultimately just makes shit worse.
QuoteI know we did the test at Giga because I fucking did it with you guys. I didn't say the assus monitor was bad or not to use them, I just quoted that Gamogo stated practically the same thing as I did with an extra LCD monitor model rather than what I quoted BenQ 22-24 inch monitor, though I did say I can get teh exact model if needed. but before I could do that some smart ass give some stupid ass comment which I could really care less to reply to.
No. This is a blatant lie. You told us what they were using, but at no point did you give us anything worth listening to. You said "Daigo likes it guys so im right lol" essentially. Which, as i say, was a stupid post, so you got a smart ass reply. If you posted something intelligent and useful, you wouldve got a reply that was intelligent and useful.
QuoteBtw, I am not the one's complaining about lag, frame data crap nor execution missing, its YOU guys.
because majority of you can't even adapt to a minor 1-3 frame difference in gameplay.
Oh so now youre better than everyone because you can adapt to 3 frames of lag? Get fucked Andy. Straight up. This is ignorant, and is a direct insult to EVERY MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. I actually thought more of you than this. Im disappointed, and actually embarrassed for you. I will quite happily joke about all the stupidity, but this is possibly the worst thing you have ever posted. And even if you stick to your guns for the rest of your post, I expect an apology for this. Even if you dont apologise to me, you owe EVERYONE ELSE an apology.
And even if you can adapt to a 3frame difference in gameplay, you shouldn't have to. Tournament standard across the world is 0 frames. This is what we should be playing. This means the errors are reduced, and everyone is on an even playing field. Why the HELL should we have to adapt to an inferior setup? So that it favours certain players? Or even certain characters? Fuck that. That is why that Giga 2v2 was a load of rubbish. And why EVERYONE complained. (Ignoring the obvious administrative crap, that we ALSO complained about.)
Not only that, 3 frames is actually a massive shift in gameplay. Im actually quite surprised you think its 'minor'. Stop being such a self-serving arrogant sack of shit and actually think about the fact that EVERYONE wants it one way, and you want it another way. Who should we be catering for? The community. Not one elitist player who thinks too much of himself.
TBH Andy, Bill has a point.
You keep contradicting yourself in some sort of way to prove your post have meaning. I think before you click the post button you may want to read over what you type to make sure that is correctly what you are meaning to say.
I am honestly lol seeing the post. Bill ur seriously one of the guys who really take their time to write all that shit up.
come again about what? read this carefully
"Because majority of you can't even adapt to a minor 1-3 frame difference in gameplay, I don't really care if its the big monitor at giga or the smaller monitor lag free monitor at EVo, the result is still teh same."
If you think I am being arrogant, try reading this sentence a few times and you might actually know what I am talking about.
I've never contradicted anything I've said and stood my grounds from the very start, its u guys who took it the wrong way when I gave a point of view or even things for people to consider but people go blasting off, which is lawl.
Ok. After this, im done. Im not going to bother with this rubbish anymore. If you dont want to accept it, thats fine. Lets read that sentence.
Quote"Because majority of you can't even adapt to a minor 1-3 frame difference in gameplay, I don't really care if its the big monitor at giga or the smaller monitor lag free monitor at EVo, the result is still teh same."
Note the placement of 'you' and 'i'. Implying that 'most of us' can't do something, and that 'you' can. And how the topic in question only seems to effect 'most of us', since you clearly "dont really care because the result is still the same". You are rubbing in everyones face the fact that they don't deal with something the same way you do. Highlighting what you think is your own superiority.
Now lets look at the dictionary.
ar·ro·gant
â€, â€,/ˈærÉ™gÉ™nt/ Show Spelled[ar-uh-guhnt] Show IPA
â€"adjective
1.
making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud: an arrogant public official.
2.
characterized by or proceeding from arrogance: arrogant claims.
Hmmmmm. Looks to me like number 1 applys in this situation 100% TO THE POINT THAT YOU QUOTED. And yet you still believe yourself to be correct. Arrogance much?
I dont care about lag, or monitors, or whatever. Ill still play. What pisses me off, is when some fucktard rocks up, tells everyone that he thinks hes better than everyone, and proceeds to ACTUALLY BELIEVE he is correct. And then has a big fucking laugh about it.
Keep on 'lawl'ing Andy. All it is doing is reiterating my point that this is an arrogant and offensive post. You are IGNORING what other people are saying because you believe it to be wrong, simply because we use logic that isnt on your narrow-minded radar.
This is like all our argument about tiers, or matchups, or any of the preceeding lag arguments. Despite EVERYBODY ELSE disagreeing with you. (Not just me.) You refuse to even consider the point of view of others before you post. Overbearingly assuming your point of view is correct. Wait? Overbearing assumption? Where have i heard that before? Oh Right. I remember now.
ar·ro·gant
â€, â€,/ˈærÉ™gÉ™nt/ Show Spelled[ar-uh-guhnt] Show IPA
â€"adjective
1.
making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud: an arrogant public official.
2.
characterized by or proceeding from arrogance: arrogant claims.
You KNOW i respect you as a player and a person, probably moreso than a lot of people here. I have argued with you, and i have defended you. In fact, ive gone out of my way to try and explain your point of view to everyone else, and vice versa. But what you posted was a direct insult at everybody. Which is a real kick in the nuts for me. And I really think I need to make this point, if only to save what little is left of your own dignity.
Andy, if you don't think it matters, what the hell is the point of continuing to make such a shitstorm about it?
Seriously?
If you're fighting this battle for someone else, then they must feel pretty silly at this point.
If you're just doing it for the lulz then that's pretty pathetic.
And I can't think of any other reasons why you would do this.
Andy, put the spade down. Seriously.
In chronological order:
QuoteLenny I should remind you to discuss about the setups we should have for SSF4.
that is you starting the lag discussion
QuoteLenny I think the the Tv's at Giga are definitely okay with xbox setups, we can go VGA if we have to but I think the HDMI is fine.
you stating what you think is ok without evidence. it turns out the setups you thought were OK had lots of lag.
Quotewe can argue all day and not come to anything. Its personal preference, some use to delay some don't simple. .
yes some are used to delay but that is their problem, we should all be aiming for lag free set ups. EVOs intention was for a lag free setup.
Quoteoh wait we should jsut all follow the leader because a lagless setup will help us in big tournaments and if we do bad in them we should complain their setup is lag.
seriously, get realistic as that won't happen. We want to mirrior or close enought to their setup in EVO for example so when it comes to that we are not at a disadvantage, we are already disadvantage in many ways and don't need anymore.
We don't want to mirror evo set ups, because they have lag. we want to mirror their intentions ie: lag free
QuoteWhat I am proposing is that we had setups similar to EVO with or without lag. Whereas Alan said lag free is the way to go which is fine IF EVO is totally lag free.
Quotetherefore I suggested that we mimic EVO's setup or as close as possible if thats fair?
Quote"OZhadou EVO APAC tournament will be using 360s with BenQ monitors"
This is what we used on the day, and EVERYONE said there was a problem and yes we had a BENQ monitor.
it wasn't the exact same model as the model used in austrailia, every different model requires lag testing. that is why we need indepth specs.
QuoteI've never contradicted anything
I can't find the comment where you said daigo said the setup in aussie was lag free and that we should use it, but it doesn't matter now because everyone saw it and it clearly contridicts what you said previously.
Now we have done the lag test on the monitors at Giga, and Lenny has said that the ASUS monitors are good, with 0-1 frame of lag, can we use that hole you've dug and bury the lag topic? Chur.
I don't wanna open a can of worms...but this is ridiculous!!!
ok...some may take things said on here a little more personally than others...but really...this competitiveness is going nowhere!
who here has qualifications/is a professional to say what is wrong and right with these monitors?
All the fun will be gone if we carry this on and then some asshole will want to make a commitee or some shit.
where do we go from here...?
"my dads tougher than yours..."
"fuck you...lets read a book...first to page 103..."
lets stop this here and now man... :(
Just to expand on the "benq at giga" comment
Quote
"OZhadou EVO APAC tournament will be using 360s with BenQ monitors"
This is what we used on the day, and EVERYONE said there was a problem and yes we had a BENQ monitor.
If this was Mason's monitor (which I understand and believe to be lag free), I'm pretty sure I explained away why people felt it was 'wrong' by the whole "it has less lag than you're used to" expose.
Quote from: B BOY DRAW2 on June 08, 2010, 07:07:10 PM
who here has qualifications/is a professional to say what is wrong and right with these monitors?
All the fun will be gone if we carry this on and then some asshole will want to make a commitee or some shit.
TBH I do feel like I'm qualified - I actually understand and research the issues. I also just know a lot about all this shit.
As for the committee thing, we kind of already have one. Usually it takes care of these issues itself, often before they become apparent to the players. Sometimes things like this blow up way out of proportion, even if it was out of good intentions.
Life's like that sometimes I guess...
Quote from: fluxcore on June 08, 2010, 07:12:52 PM
Just to expand on the "benq at giga" comment
If this was Mason's monitor (which I understand and believe to be lag free), I'm pretty sure I explained away why people felt it was 'wrong' by the whole "it has less lag than you're used to" expose.
AFAIK the giga used was the 27inch benq monitor which we proved recently was lagging roughly the same frames as the big samsung lcds.
BBOY: I'll explain it if you come to the tourney/ranbats sometime. but yeah, the carry on that is happening even though the issue is resolved is crazy.
Yeah maybe it's time to move on, they say it's best not to discuss religon and politics at parties. Well in this forum for whatever reason:
lagg=politics
Tiers=religon
maybe we should just try and keep those discussions in their own threads rather than have them invade what started out as a good vibe thread to begin with.
Not to poo poo on the importance of the issue and the points raised (I personally believe that trying to get as close to 0 lagg as is practical to obtain for an event is important) but.....
Can we get back to topic please I was really enjoying the discussion about making scene grow etc...
Its a little beyond 'which setup is better' at this point, but i would like to agree.
However, i still have to be a little salty, given that I have just spent at least the last year trying to explain someones point of view for the benefit of everyone, and keep conflict based upon it to a minimum. (despite having crossed paths on more than one occasion) Only to have said person completely invalidate all the work i have tried to do in one sentence, and then insults me, and just about everyone else directly.
Im usually pretty lighthearted about all of that stuff, but it really needs to stop. Sorry to force everyone to read my walls of rage.
And im pretty sure my dad would smash Andys dad anyway.
I actually didn't read any of teh wall post as from the start I took this as a discussion\ debate for humors sake.
Bill if you like to debate over something, I am happy to do so since forums are for such matters.
Just because you think my sentences insulted you which I don't believe so but you can take it whatever way you like.
Though there are things you can say about me and I can take it as a joke.
But remember that Asian's respect their family more than anything, don't cross that line.
I respect my punctuation more than anything, but I'm willing to let it slide just this once.
Quote from: zosla on June 08, 2010, 09:19:08 PM
I actually didn't read any of teh wall post as from the start I took this as a discussion\ debate for humors sake.
Bill if you like to debate over something, I am happy to do so since forums are for such matters.
Just because you think my sentences insulted you which I don't believe so but you can take it whatever way you like.
Though there are things you can say about me and I can take it as a joke.
But remember that Asian's respect their family more than anything, don't cross that line.
You took the serious part as a joke, and the joke part seriously. And have naturally missed the point AGAIN.
But whatever. Ive said my piece, and yea, it WAS an insult, not just to me, but to everyone. And yea, it did REALLY annoy me. You STILL haven't grasped what you did wrong, which is ridiculous, but i can see there isn't going to be any getting through to you. Fuck knows why i thought there would be in the first place. Im not going to bother with this anymore. Or any other retarded argument that you cause. If you're going to be ignorant and not going to listen, (And 90% of my posts are me trying to help YOU understand the way OTHER PEOPLE are interpreting what YOU are saying, BTW. So up until this point, listening would have been a REALLY good idea) then its not worth me wasting time and energy posting about it.
I tried to make a point. You ignored it.
I showed you, in a word for word example, EXACTLY what you said wrong. You ignored it.
I made a casual joke about arguably the most trivial, primary school argument, that was addressed by ANOTHER poster as something stupid. And you made a big deal out of THAT, of all things.
Youre not going to read this either, and youre not going to even bother TRYING to understand my point of view so im not sure why im even bothering to post this. I pride myself on being welcoming and friendly, and you pushed every single one of my buttons, to the point where i have made an absolute cunt of myself in this thread, and you STILL think youre in the right. This is not worth the effort.
PMS over. The only posts following this one will be OG BIRRY WONG shit.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 08, 2010, 09:55:46 PM
You took the serious part as a joke, and the joke part seriously. And have naturally missed the point AGAIN.
But whatever. Ive said my piece, and yea, it WAS an insult, not just to me, but to everyone. And yea, it did REALLY annoy me. You STILL haven't grasped what you did wrong, which is ridiculous, but i can see there isn't going to be any getting through to you. Fuck knows why i thought there would be in the first place. Im not going to bother with this anymore. Or any other retarded argument that you cause. If you're going to be ignorant and not going to listen, (And 90% of my posts are me trying to help YOU understand the way OTHER PEOPLE are interpreting what YOU are saying, BTW. So up until this point, listening would have been a REALLY good idea) then its not worth me wasting time and energy posting about it.
I tried to make a point. You ignored it.
I showed you, in a word for word example, EXACTLY what you said wrong. You ignored it.
I made a casual joke about arguably the most trivial, primary school argument, that was addressed by ANOTHER poster as something stupid. And you made a big deal out of THAT, of all things.
Youre not going to read this either, and youre not going to even bother TRYING to understand my point of view so im not sure why im even bothering to post this. I pride myself on being welcoming and friendly, and you pushed every single one of my buttons, to the point where i have made an absolute cunt of myself in this thread, and you STILL think youre in the right. This is not worth the effort.
PMS over. The only posts following this one will be OG BIRRY WONG shit.
I actually did read this post of yours Bill, I may have phrase things in a different manner where you took offense over it. We have different logic behind things but the goal is the same, I debate over this stuff is because some base things on so much facts when it can be simplified into: its just a game at the end of the day.
I appreciated you explaining to me and yes I have my own perspective with things which I don't think you can change it because we are different. We can try to talk it out but it would end up like this :) which happens.
But I just hope we both don't go overboard with such debate\ discussion.
I know you were joking with you last comment, but I hope you don't go further with it thats all.
This would be all for this thread thank you come again another day.
TBH Bro im more embarrassed about my reaction than anything.
Was pretty fucking stupid on my part. A lot of it remains true, but my whole approach was pretty retarded. I should know better by now.
Sorry team.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 09, 2010, 07:51:28 AM
TBH Bro im more embarrassed about my reaction than anything.
Was pretty fucking stupid on my part. A lot of it remains true, but my whole approach was pretty retarded. I should know better by now.
Sorry team.
x2 xD
don't get the wrong meaning this time BILL!!!
Heres the deal.
We are gonne be using the ASUS monitors that are confirmed to have only 1 frame of lag at the most at any given point. This is well within the boundaries of acceptable.
We will be connecting to them via XBOX360 VGA Cables, as there is no HDMI connection on the units.
No point discussing this anymore guys.
Lenny,
I'll bring some HDMI to DVI converters just in case, actually I only got 2...
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on June 09, 2010, 08:50:15 AMWe are gonne be using the ASUS monitors that are confirmed to have only 1 frame of lag at the most at any given point.
Yay
Quote from: zosla on June 09, 2010, 08:57:03 AM
Lenny,
I'll bring some HDMI to DVI converters just in case, actually I only got 2...
The only problem with that andy is that we wont be able to get any sound doing it that way.
Can't you output sound via component or AV cables?? At home I can output from HDMI to DVi and have sound output to AV cables which leads to my speakers\ sub. or can't xbox360 do that?
Quote from: zosla on June 09, 2010, 09:15:27 AM
Can't you output sound via component or AV cables?? At home I can output from HDMI to DVi and have sound output to AV cables which leads to my speakers\ sub. or can't xbox360 do that?
Nah cant do that with 360... damnit.. Im gonna hear about this for days from the PS3 crowd
Sadly for some reason one connection blocks the other. So if the HDMI cable is in, the AV/Component will be blocked and unable to use :(
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on June 09, 2010, 09:17:48 AM
Nah cant do that with 360... damnit.. Im gonna hear about this for days from the PS3 crowd
This Shows how much better the PS3 compared to the xbox360 is :)
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LOL worst graph in the world, but you get the point, don't you Lenny ? Hmmmmm ?
OH NO HE DI-N'T
ROFL LENNY GET STOMPED
How will we ever recover from this! :P
By GETTING STOMPED BRAH
Team PS3
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it will be gd if we cna hijack some Plasma TVs off some1
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loving it!!!
don't make me photoshop it!!!
Quote from: zosla on June 09, 2010, 09:24:41 AM
This Shows how much better the PS3 compared to the xbox360 is :)
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9496/lolzl.jpg)
WHAT LINE!?
Zerg Rush bro.
if you rip the casing off the component cable connection to the xbox so that both connections fit you can simultaneously run hdmi -> whatever AND have sound using av/component cables.
anyone a fan of playing ssf4 on an old crt tv?
CRT is what I play on.
Quote from: xkheretic on June 09, 2010, 10:36:34 AM
if you rip the casing off the component cable connection to the xbox so that both connections fit you can simultaneously run hdmi -> whatever AND have sound using av/component cables.
You can actually do that?
You can do it on PS3, so I don't see why you can't on xbox
There's an audio dongle you used to get with the Elite that you are supposed to use with HDMI to get audio from the other connector. The ghetto way is to cut off the plastic from a normal AV connector though, yeah.
Well then, xbox back in the superiority lead with that info.
Quote from: xkheretic on June 09, 2010, 11:54:31 AM
crt > lcd.
Well dur.
Quote from: OLEET on June 09, 2010, 11:02:56 AM
CRT is what I play on.
YOUR LAP is what I play on.
I have an adapter so you can plug both an hdmi cable in and my thingymabob in for component sound. We were using it at EVO apac.
Quote from: massi4h on June 09, 2010, 01:41:11 PM
I have an adapter so you can plug both an hdmi cable in and my thingymabob in for component sound. We were using it at EVO apac.
I dont know what impresses me more. That you can fit your thingymabob into a jackpoint, or the fact that it will give an audio signal.
We are going to be using 5 setups.
We have 5 VGA Cables for XBOX360. That is what we will be using. THe end result will be:
-Minimal lag
-Stereo Sound
-Fun times
That is all.
We talking about nat's?
2 tournaments aren't planned to be on Xbox, so CRT for 3s? And CRT for marvel?
That was the plan.
Quote from: Rorooze on June 08, 2010, 02:02:10 PMwe've done lag tests on the monitors that we can get access too (you were even there) and lenny has decided that the ASUS monitors are fit for purpose. we're talking something between 0 and 1 frame of lag.
just give it a break, will ya?
ASUS screens are renown to handle input lag well with the recent models (as far back as 2008 issues of 22" screens) being given the OK for EVO 2009 and also 2010.
The ASUS screens actually handle scaling well as this is what is forced upon ASUS screens with a native resolution of 1080p when they are jacked into PS3 consoles. Because SFIV/SSFIV is locked to a 720 console output on the PS3, the ASUS is forced to internally rescale the image which results in minimal perceptible input lag.
Comparatively speaking, many other LCD screens when outside of their native resolution (i.e. forced to rescale images internally) do a poor job resulting in noticeable input lag. Scaling seems to be a strength for the ASUS screens.
FYI, this is the 'EVO monitor': http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/asus-vh236h/4505-3174_7-33615002.html