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QuoteSony admits utter PSN failure: your personal data has been stolen
By Ben Kuchera | Last updated about 2 hours ago

Sony has finally come clean about the "external intrusion" that has caused the company to take down the PlayStation Network service, and the news is almost as bad as it can possibly get. The hackers have all your personal information, although Sony is still unsure about whether your credit card data is safe. Everything else on file when it comes to your account is in the hands of the hackers.

In other words, Sony's security has failed in a spectacular fashion, and we're just now finding out about it. In both practical and PR terms, this is a worst-case scenario.

What did they get?

Here is the data that Sony is sure has been compromised if you have a PlayStation Network Account:

Your name
Your address (city, state, and zip)
Country
E-mail address
Birthday
PSN password and login name
"It is also possible that your profile data, including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip), and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have been obtained," Sony announced. While the company claims that there is "no evidence" that credit card information has been compromised, it won't rule out the possibility.

Their advice is to be safe, rather than sorry. "If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained."

What can you do?

You are warned to keep watch over your accounts, and to be aware of your heightened risk of fraud due to the security breach. "For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of e-mail, telephone, and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive information," the company said. "Sony will not contact you in any way, including by email, asking for your credit card number, social security number or other personally identifiable information."

Sony has also provided a wealth of sources for data and protection against identity theft.

You may wish to visit the web site of the U.S. Federal Trade Commission at www.consumer.gov/idtheft or reach the FTC at 1-877-382-4357 or 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20580 for further information about how to protect yourself from identity theft. Your state Attorney General may also have advice on preventing identity theft, and you should report instances of known or suspected identity theft to law enforcement, your State Attorney General, and the FTC. For North Carolina residents, the Attorney General can be contacted at 9001 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-9001; telephone (877) 566-7226; or www.ncdoj.gov. For Maryland residents, the Attorney General can be contacted at 200 St. Paul Place, 16th Floor, Baltimore, MD 21202; telephone: (888) 743-0023; or www.oag.state.md.us.
To be fair, Sony does apologize for the inconvenience. There is still no update on when service will be restored, but that is the least of your concerns if you have a PlayStation Network account. It's time to change your passwords, at the very least, and if you're like to be completely safe it's not a bad idea to cancel your credit or debit cards and request replacements.

We'll continue to follow this story as it develops.

Fucking hell that is huge!

75 million accounts though, I wonder what happens now? Is it just 1 guy? Hopefully it's just to proove a point. No reports from customers saying PSN has randomly billed them or spending sprees happening on PSN members credit cards after a whole week.

Shit could get helluva dodgy though. Cancel my debit card I guess. I can imagine a ton of people jumping ship to Xbox after this though. This guy raises some good points though:
http://forums.sarcasticgamer.com/showpost.php?p=645846&postcount=7


Get your shit sorted before AE drops Sony.

Sigh I think my PSN password is my password to other stuff. Argh this is way more annoying than I first thought

Quote from: Chocobuny on April 27, 2011, 12:39:31 PM
Sigh I think my PSN password is my password to other stuff. Argh this is way more annoying than I first thought

Yeah i better start changing stuff up too just to be sure :( Network outage sounds like it'll be quite a while if it already this bad :(

Maaaan ffs what is up with this shit. I don't wanna change all my passwords and cancel my credit card all because of this.

Wouldnt bother cancelling your credit card, they didn't get the 3 digit security codes.

Quote from: Skullator on April 27, 2011, 01:47:54 PM
Wouldnt bother cancelling your credit card, they didn't get the 3 digit security codes.

3 digit security codes are hardly ever required to make actual transactions

I thought online it was common requirement?

Quote from: Skullator on April 27, 2011, 02:03:54 PM
I thought online it was common requirement?

They're optional for DPS transactions - at least this was the case the last time I built a payment gateway which was maybe 6 months ago

Gutted, well isn't that going to be a pain to fix..

Goddammit. My password is the one i use for everything except my bank account and email, not that it matters if my debit card details are out there. Guess Ill change my facebook password, but i probably wont do much else. Though I will probably cancel my debit card as well just to be safe.

But are the hackers actually interested in using that information? I mean if they are hackers they could have easily gotten that information from other sources anyway.

insert obligitory XBOX360>GaystationFree statement

I'm all for getting an Xbox. Just too expensive is all. I'd still keep my PS3 though.

yeah but look how many people's details they got all at once. I wouldn't be surprised if some of it got used or sold on for other people to commit fraud.

Damn they might hack my fb lol.

Dad just rang me up all worried

Him: Don't you have a sunny?
Me: What?
Him: A sunny? You know the thing you play games on
Me: A sony? Sony Playstation 3?
Him: Yeah i heard it got hacked blah blah blah your money belongs to hackers etc
Me: lolololol

Guess this has gone into the tv news now then

Yeah i saw it on one news lol

Yep lol saw my parents watching it on the news as well lol.

If only I had an xbox...

I think its time to get an xbox lol....rumour has it, tht psn will be back up tonight

Quote from: xFIST_0F_FURYx on April 27, 2011, 07:03:25 PM
I think its time to get an xbox lol....

And the eyes have been opened ...............

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Quote from: [NIUE] B1ackstar Ninja on April 27, 2011, 07:19:13 PM
And the eyes have been opened ...............

Hahaha I think I see the light

yeah, think i may move on to microsoft too when next gen consoles get released...

hahah everyone's all paranoid as a bitch hahaha.

All dis shit made me think psn was back on. FUck it still aint.

My ps3 making this fucked up noise ay. last time sony fixed it they took my receipt but gave me a different sort or replacement reciet. Which don't have the date for proof of purchase. So they might not refund me if it fuck out.

I got my last receipt of q card statement. I cancelled my q card since then though. I hope they still got it by some miracle. Then i'm gonna sabotage my ps3 and leave it on for daaaayyyyyyssss. On the marvel intro movie and sheeit.

I will keep cheking tonight if it's back on. Someone post here if you notice it's on. Cos i'm more on the net.

Am keen as fuck for some sf4 and Marvel cheeeee..

Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on April 27, 2011, 09:31:05 PM
hahah everyone's all paranoid as a bitch hahaha.

All dis shit made me think psn was back on. FUck it still aint.

My ps3 making this fucked up noise ay. last time sony fixed it they took my receipt but gave me a different sort or replacement reciet. Which don't have the date for proof of purchase. So they might not refund me if it fuck out.

I got my last receipt of q card statement. I cancelled my q card since then though. I hope they still got it by some miracle. Then i'm gonna sabotage my ps3 and leave it on for daaaayyyyyyssss. On the marvel intro movie and sheeit.

I will keep cheking tonight if it's back on. Someone post here if you notice it's on. Cos i'm more on the net.

Am keen as fuck for some sf4 and Marvel cheeeee..

strange sound from ps3 console? Same as mine at beginning of april when it was on all day, laying flat on its belly. So i pulled the vacume, cleared all the vents of carpet fluff n dust then parked my console upright well away from other heat sources..waalah! Been quiet as since psn network down lolz! Nah been streaming online movies on it, works fine. Alot coOler as well.

Bullshit rumour lol

Whats the difference between a ps3 and a whore? None, they both suck and empty your wallet. -saw this joke online.

Quote from: Rorooze on April 27, 2011, 05:30:31 PM
yeah but look how many people's details they got all at once. I wouldn't be surprised if some of it got used or sold on for other people to commit fraud.

Yeah might go change my credit card. I think all the other details are wrong. Address etc.

You mean you don't live on 123 Fake Street in California?

Nah I mean I just changed address since I first registered.

Quote from: massi4h on April 27, 2011, 11:07:25 PM
You mean you don't live on 123 Fake Street in California?

Lol. I do that too.

haha yeah im always beverly hills , 90210 hahah

"Data-research firm tells Forbes price tag of PlayStation Network outage could be catastrophic; Sony offers FAQ, timeline as UK gov't readies enquiries."

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6310436.html?tag=topslot;title;2

More info, the faq got updated:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/27/qa-1-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services/

Some points of interest:

QuoteQ: Was my personal data encrypted?
A: All of the data was protected, and access was restricted both physically and through the perimeter and security of the network. The entire credit card table was encrypted and we have no evidence that credit card data was taken. The personal data table, which is a separate data set, was not encrypted, but was, of course, behind a very sophisticated security system that was breached in a malicious attack.

Q: Was my credit card data taken?
A: While all credit card information stored in our systems is encrypted and there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained. Keep in mind, however that your credit card security code (sometimes called a CVC or CSC number) has not been obtained because we never requested it from anyone who has joined the PlayStation Network or Qriocity, and is therefore not stored anywhere in our system.

Q: When or how can I change my PlayStation Network password?
A: We are working on a new system software update that will require all users to change their password once PlayStation Network is restored. We will provide more details about the new update shortly.

Q: When will the PlayStation Network and Qriocity be back online?
A: Our employees have been working day and night to restore operations as quickly as possible, and we expect to have some services up and running within a week from yesterday. However, we want to be very clear that we will only restore operations when we are confident that the network is secure.

Ffs. The damage is done just put PSN back up <_<;

QuoteKeep in mind, however that your credit card security code (sometimes called a CVC or CSC number) has not been obtained because we never requested it from anyone who has joined the PlayStation Network or Qriocity, and is therefore not stored anywhere in our system.

This means absolutely nothing whatsoever lol

I can forgive Sony for PSN going down for a week. I can forgive them for getting hacked. Shit, I can even forgive them for having my name/email/address unsecured.

BUT I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THEM FOR STORING MY PASSWORD AS PLAIN TEXT.

There is absolutely, without a doubt, NO excuse for not hashing passwords at the VERY LEAST. Now I know why fail0verflow called these guys 'Security Fail'. Fuck Sony - what a bunch of programming scrubs.

I think Im selling my fighters on PS3 now due to this. If no one is going to stay around (or even be able to access the PSN) then I might as well move over to the Xbox360.

Quote from: electric on April 28, 2011, 01:43:36 PM
There is absolutely, without a doubt, NO excuse for not hashing passwords at the VERY LEAST. Now I know why fail0verflow called these guys 'Security Fail'. Fuck Sony - what a bunch of programming scrubs.

Holy shit.. thats pretty noobish

Quote from: [SAS]karizzma on April 29, 2011, 12:04:50 AM
I think Im selling my fighters on PS3 now due to this. If no one is going to stay around (or even be able to access the PSN) then I might as well move over to the Xbox360.

I'll buy your SSF4 lol.

Quote from: [SAS]karizzma on April 29, 2011, 12:04:50 AM
I think Im selling my fighters on PS3 now due to this. If no one is going to stay around (or even be able to access the PSN) then I might as well move over to the Xbox360.

Probably a good move even if people ARE staying around from what I hear.

Quote from: electric on April 28, 2011, 01:43:36 PM
BUT I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THEM FOR STORING MY PASSWORD AS PLAIN TEXT.

There is absolutely, without a doubt, NO excuse for not hashing passwords at the VERY LEAST. Now I know why fail0verflow called these guys 'Security Fail'. Fuck Sony - what a bunch of programming scrubs.

Hahahaha.. Christ. So freeeee.

Quote from: [SAS]karizzma on April 29, 2011, 12:04:50 AM
I think Im selling my fighters on PS3 now due to this. If no one is going to stay around (or even be able to access the PSN) then I might as well move over to the Xbox360.

Do it. Gogogo.  I'll sell you MvC3 for the second time.  Hahaha.

Sony come back plan
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20058731-260.html (http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20058731-260.html)

Thats ok.

I just wanted 1 free ps1 game, no one wants shitty PSplus and I'm going to bet the free downloads are going to be for the most terrible games that don't sell in the first place. QQ.

WELL I GUESS THATS OKAY, NOT LIKE 2 MILLION PEOPLE, INCLUDING ME HAD TO CANCEL THEIR CREDIT CARD AND GET A NEW ONE IN. NOT TO MENTION 77 MILLION PEOPLE'S PERSONAL INFO ARE IN THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO HACK SHIT. THX SONY CAN I TAKE MORE OF YOUR DICK PLZ

Hahaha you should go to xbox

Quote from: Chocobuny on May 01, 2011, 09:52:07 PM
I just wanted 1 free ps1 game, no one wants shitty PSplus and I'm going to bet the free downloads are going to be for the most terrible games that don't sell in the first place. QQ.

thn :P

Quote from: electric on April 28, 2011, 01:43:36 PM

BUT I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THEM FOR STORING MY PASSWORD AS PLAIN TEXT.

There is absolutely, without a doubt, NO excuse for not hashing passwords at the VERY LEAST.

But they need to in order to be able to send your password out to you in case you forget!!!

I hate it when other places send you a shitty long as fuck temp password you gotta write down or some shit.

BUT now i know why those places do it. I haven't needed a psn one before. But i'm sure they would do that as well.

I hope the free game is a cool one. i don't even know what playstaion plus does.

I'm just glad it's gonna be up again soon. Just in time for me not being able to play it. Good one Sony you fuckwits hahahhahahahah.

I'm pretty happy with the compensation.
PSplus basically gives you a bunch of games for free anyways. Some of the games are full games like assassins creed, infamous etc or retro games like sonic 1&2 and ps1 games. So you could think of it as a months free rentals.

Also free access to betas and I think this month it's uncharted 3s demo and infamous 2's mission editing mode or something.

I think it would hella cheeky if we are given our free psplus while the ps store is down making it pretty much redundant lol.

EDIT: actually May's content is actually looking pretty weak (apart from streets of rage 2)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-04-06-playstation-plus-april-and-may-content

Sigh. I'm really not surprised. Thx sony. Really going to remember this when I buy my next console when the newest batch comes out.

Is it just me, or does the compensation feel like a trap?

Obviously, people have changed their credit cards via their respective companies, and Sony's whole existence is to get money out of you. The PSN+ service is for a month, and if you want to continue, you're going to have to add your credit card details into PSN again.

A month after the servers were hacked, and credit card information was leaked. From said servers which weren't encrypted but "hashed" '(this means fuck all, but I won't continue).

???

Yeah, right.

My two cents:

Credit Card information compromise - Not tragic(even if it has occurred), from a safety perspective as long as you report suspect transactions within a reasonable period (2 months if my memory serves) you're pretty safe in getting your money back. The important thing is to check your statements when you get them and if anything seems out of whack contact your bank/credit card provider.

Downtime - Unacceptable. It's incomprehensible to me that this outage continues for more than two weeks. Yes, they do have to rebuild the network, yes they do have to make sure it's secure and yes it was an external intrusion.
Here's the big hairy but, consider if apple's iTunes product was down for two weeks, consider if your banks internet banking was down for two weeks. They're faced with similar challenges in terms of security so why are they able to deliver a consistent service, if one of those things goes down the outage time is measured in minutes not days or weeks!

Compensation - Honestly I could care less about a compensation package. I will however say that store credit to the value of a 30 day playstation plus package would be more appealling than a 30 day playstation plus package. Then I could use it for what I want (most likely save it for AE or buy the SSFIV costumes). This fits a wider audience than the casual gamer that the playstation plus seems to be aimed at.

What I'll be doing about it - Switching to XBOX at the first given opportunity. So frustrating that I just bought a TE for PS3 shoulda gotten a(n?) xbox one.

Quote from: jsculls on May 03, 2011, 12:08:24 AM
My two cents:

Credit Card information compromise - Not tragic(even if it has occurred), from a safety perspective as long as you report suspect transactions within a reasonable period (2 months if my memory serves) you're pretty safe in getting your money back. The important thing is to check your statements when you get them and if anything seems out of whack contact your bank/credit card provider.

Downtime - Unacceptable. It's incomprehensible to me that this outage continues for more than two weeks. Yes, they do have to rebuild the network, yes they do have to make sure it's secure and yes it was an external intrusion.
Here's the big hairy but, consider if apple's iTunes product was down for two weeks, consider if your banks internet banking was down for two weeks. They're faced with similar challenges in terms of security so why are they able to deliver a consistent service, if one of those things goes down the outage time is measured in minutes not days or weeks!

Compensation - Honestly I could care less about a compensation package. I will however say that store credit to the value of a 30 day playstation plus package would be more appealling than a 30 day playstation plus package. Then I could use it for what I want (most likely save it for AE or buy the SSFIV costumes). This fits a wider audience than the casual gamer that the playstation plus seems to be aimed at.

What I'll be doing about it - Switching to XBOX at the first given opportunity. So frustrating that I just bought a TE for PS3 shoulda gotten a(n?) xbox one.

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No beef with you jsculls.   After reading your post I wanted to say what I've been feeling about since this outage started.

I just don't understand it.  Literally the part that I'm having the most trouble understanding is why free PSN users feel that it is only right for Sony to compensate for the outage of PSN?  I mean, you purchased a console, not the online component.  Hey, yes they are trying to compensate for the security issue but why are they obligated to provide more than just an apology for a service that they offer for free?  I mean again, it's FREE to play online.  You're not getting the short end of the stick by any means.

The real people that have a right to vent their spleen are those who have a subscription based product that uses the services of PSN i.e. PSN Plus, DC universe online and so forth.  The people that pay for a service that is not being provided to them due to the outage.

I mean, the reason why Microsoft gave it's XBL gold members something was because they had paid for a online subscription to their services that was not being fulfilled due the an outage. With that money they gain from a XBL subscription goes towards maintaining the network, supplying new and interesting content and keeping things in check.  Now look at Sony, who give 74 million or so users free access to their online networks without any stable revenue to maintain that network.  To be honest Sony has done a very good job in keeping the network as secure as the can while providing the online services to many happy gamers which is quite awesome.

Come on PSN users, why give up something that has done well for you in the past to only leave it at the fist sign of insecurity?

Privacy is dead, get over it
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Quote from: stereomonkey on May 03, 2011, 01:16:37 AMCome on PSN users, why give up something that has done well for you in the past to only leave it at the fist sign of insecurity?

The problem I have with Sony goes back to when they first dropped OtherOS support from the slims - then for them to take away OtherOS support from existing consoles - something that was an advertised feature and a selling point for some consumers, then mask it as a "security update" ? That's pretty fucking low.

Their entire security model was based on the assumption that their clients would never be compromised - this is just fucking lazy.

Their servers ran outdated software with known security issues. This is also just fucking lazy.

IMO, the people behind PSN are a bunch of muppets - but hey, this can be said of practically every corporate organization, right ? :D

I've been wanting to jump ship for ages, but I could never really justify it. Until now

Well it's not free by all means. It's a reason to buy the console and would a ps3 cost the same amount if online didn't exist? People bought their ps3s and part of the package was getting online play for all their games with it. This is one thing that people bitch about the xbox and that's why they buy ps3.

No.  It was a selling point, NOT the actual product being sold.

Like Stu said people demanding compensation are crazy and jumping ship over this, the TOS you agreed to when started using the console say they can take it down whenever they want. I'm not to fussed about compensation. I don't care about PSN+ there is nothing I want to get from there. I just want to make sure I get a free month of DC Universe as the subscription I paid got used once or twice before it went down and by the time it's up again I'll have to pay another $25 :P.

I'll be sticking with PS3. Even though I have an Xbox now the only games I play on it are fighters the bulk of the games I want are still PS3 exclusives ie. Yakuza series, Disgaea 4 soon and I'm real psyched for inFamous 2 as the first one is my favourite non-fighter of this generation along with RDR. Also the fact I can import games is still a HUGE thing for me.

Stu has a good point. The bonus is more of an apology from Sony rather than a means of compensation which is why I'm happy with it. I've heard good things about PSPlus and am treating almost like a month of free rentals.

I can also see how it effects people that play online alot and if its the main use of your console I can see how you'd be pissed at the outage. But from a strict "What we are entitled to" standpoint if we paid nothing then it's, nothing.

Our personal data being compromised is the main issue but don't kid yourself thinking you are any safer over on XBL. No online service is completely safe and hackers can crack anything they turn their attention to. PSN is bound to be more safe than ever after this disaster and will have the latest up to date systems in place since I doubt they could handle the same mistake again. But who knows? maybe XBL will be pulling their socks after learning from Sony's mistake.

After I took a step back I realized that all the information the hackers had access to apart from my password, username and date of birth could be found in the white pages of the phone book.

I can see why some people might see this as a deal breaker, a network being hacked is a big deal and drastic measures were taken to stop further damage. I do think their PR was a bit cold but maybe it took a whole week to assess the damage. Maybe I'd feel differently if I spent more time online recently.

I like PS3 exclusives better and am glad I stuck with PS3 having only bought it originally as media player and for HD Remix. Sony's PR in this whole situation has left a dent. Still, the only reason I'd jump to XBL now is if the new PSN security makes my online experience worse than before the outage or Xbox gets an exclusive I can't live without.

Good debate guys, StereoMonkey - no worries, I understand your perspective.

Agree RE compensation. As I said in my original post I could really care less about it and simply offering an alternative is a valid suggestion. If they did nothing other than apologise for the outage and get it sorted a.s.a.p. I'd be happy.

Agree RE users who have subscription based products getting the short end of the stick.

RE PSN being a selling point vs a product, I dont draw a distinction. I bought my phone because it had mobile internet access if I bought one that didn't I could have paid significantly less (same as PSN vs XBOX in terms of up front cost). If that access is taken away I do have the right to dislike it.

RE TOS statements agree that I'm bound by them and that yes they can take it down without warning and keep it down for as long as they like. It doesn't mean I have to like it, the more customers challenge their service providers(reasonably) the better services become.

"Switching" is probably an over-reaction, if/when I buy an XBOX it'll be so that I can play with a wider range of local players and will force me to either dual mod my stick/buy an XBOX one which will be useful for when I attend events.

PSN should be back in a day or two but who knows might be another week lol

I think Sony need to compensate their players because for two weeks they couldn't use the online service. Regardless of whether they paid for it or not.

I don't really mind personally though as I would not have used this service during that time anyway.

But for example if this happened when AE was released I would be mightily pissed. Money can't get you that time back.

As for jumping ship. I don't know if that's necessary as this could just as easily have been Xbox live that it happened to.

asb bank is waiving the credit card replacement fee for playstation owners, otherwise it costs 10 bux

Kiwibank are waiving the fee for me as well.

Quote from: CrazyMobius on May 03, 2011, 06:35:19 PM
As for jumping ship. I don't know if that's necessary as this could just as easily have been Xbox live that it happened to.

i'm not so sure, one would hope xbox has better security than psn did. and by more i mean at least some.

How Lenny can remain so incredibly awesome without the galaxy exploding from his awesomeness is beyond me .....

i bow to thee sir leonard , you are the king  ;D

Man, too many xbox fanboyism here.

Everytime i check to see if psn's back on, xbox fagz are in here talking shit. It is but acid in my wounds....so in other words, it no effect on the mighty diezal power which is....

G WEAZAL!!!!

Quote from: K123_iy on May 04, 2011, 07:40:42 PM
asb bank is waiving the credit card replacement fee for playstation owners, otherwise it costs 10 bux

Is this for debit cards too bro? Cos mines held together with tape. And 10 bux is a 6 pack of the mighty mighty DEEZALIONZZ!!

edit: And isn't it $10 for an eftpos card and $15 for a debit? Last time i asked it was. And that's why i was like 'fuck that, tape this bitch up and get some bourbino's'.

Quote from: Lennysaurus on May 04, 2011, 08:06:44 PM
But it didn't.

It's just like that time that MVC3 was late. Could have just as easily have been PS3 that it happened to.

Sony answers to congress:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6312141.html?tag=updates%3Beditor%3Ball%3Btitle%3B2

Some interesting insight into what happened and how it was handled. Really helps explain why it's taking so long.

Interesting tidbit. The words: "Anonymous" and "we are Legion" were left by the hackers on the SOE servers.

lame. better cancel my shit

It's still down...WTF!!!!

Got my new CCard, now do I dare put my info back on PSN to get shit or start buying those PSN cards? Hmmm

Bill owns both...

Quote from: stereomonkey on May 05, 2011, 05:10:10 PM
Bill owns both...

Lucky him.

Unlucky you :(

Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on May 04, 2011, 10:29:39 PM
Is this for debit cards too bro? Cos mines held together with tape. And 10 bux is a 6 pack of the mighty mighty DEEZALIONZZ!!

edit: And isn't it $10 for an eftpos card and $15 for a debit? Last time i asked it was. And that's why i was like 'fuck that, tape this bitch up and get some bourbino's'.

lol, i kinda cancelled my credit card earlyish when i heard that the psn accounts were compromised. on the phone they said it'd be 10 bux to replace my card and i was cool with it, then after a while when i was doin some online banking the asb website had this news update thing which said that the fee would be waived for people with playstations due to the hack, so i got my 10 bux back :) dunno how they differentiate between people with or without ps3s cause i didn't need proof. maybe you could try get try get your debit card replaced too? just give em a call..

I just realized my new one was free as well rofl, they never even asked. Unless they just charged my bank account, which I cbf checking. $10 for security is fine with me.

PSN downtime isn't that bad. I've been playing Valkyria Chronicles and God of War 3 and it's sweet as.

Fuck off you xbox fanboys. You's are fucking lil xobox (b = balls) fags. And give gamin a baaaad name.

Worse that the mods are joinin in on the fun too. Fuckin mod this shit and my dick you dinkleberries. Faaaaaarkk. make me so angry.

WTF has happened to this scene!?!?! just play fighting games and enjoy it. No need to get into a argument about fucking GAMING CONSOLES!! WTF!!

Cheer up CMOB these fagz are gona go on forever. COSOLE WAR is not a real mans war it's a bitch war for da bitchez.

Look at all these PSn guys not giving a shit , and staying out of the shit you's are trying to start.

edit: I'm copywriting that xobox (b = balls) thing lol. I am pretty creative when i'm mad.

Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on May 05, 2011, 11:35:57 PM
xobox (b = balls)

I don't get it... Hugs, kisses, balls, kisses and hugs?

ballox = bollocks?

xoballsox?!

Fuck i thought that was really smart. Damn you's!!

Ya know kiss and hug balls!!! Cos queers kiss and hug balls!! People don't like to be called queer!! I don't have problem with queers! But you know kissin and huggin balls is supposed to be insult. Balls as in testicles.

FAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRKKKKKKKKK.

Quote from: [NIUE] weazzyefff on May 05, 2011, 11:35:57 PM
Fuck off you xbox fanboys. You's are fucking lil xobox (b = balls) fags. And give gamin a baaaad name.

Worse that the mods are joinin in on the fun too. Fuckin mod this shit and my dick you faggitz. Faaaaaarkk. make me so angry.

WTF has happened to this scene!?!?! just play fighting games and enjoy it. No need to get into a argument about fucking GAMING CONSOLES!! WTF!!

Cheer up CMOB these fagz are gona go on forever. COSOLE WAR is not a real mans war it's a bitch war for da bitchez.

Look at all these PSn guys not giving a shit , and staying out of the shit you's are trying to start.

edit: I'm copywriting that xobox (b = balls) thing lol. I am pretty creative when i'm mad.

Yeah I know. Cheers man. It's pretty clear that NZism does not support PS3 players.

Quote from: CrazyMobius on May 06, 2011, 07:25:42 AM
Yeah I know. Cheers man. It's pretty clear that NZism does not support PS3 players.

So in response to Weazzey and your posts I have gone through this thread and removed my posts.

Obviously I am just joking, but you guys have taken this to heart.  However, a few things noted below.

When we run events we of course support PS3 players.  Maybe you made this statement out of frustration or anger, as it is a pretty ridiculous thing to say.  When was the last time you saw an event omit PS3 players?  In fact hardware is always made available for anyone to play on regardless of what console they use.

Weazzey I have modded your post, and will mod any post calling other people here "faggots" regardless of the way it is spelled. 

If you guys want to complain about posts in the future, feel free to use the "report to moderator" option located at the bottom of every post.

Can I report Weazzy's post so you can spell check it for him?

This console debate is just silly. Better to own both.

Anyway, this downtime ain't so bad it'll be over soon. Just enjoy the games that don't use online play like the Uncharted games, God of War 3 etc. There is a whole bunch of them.

For the users that use PSN for free(like myself) shouldn't get compensated. Only the PSN+ members or pay to play per month type games like DC Universe online should get compensated.

Wow I thought it was pretty clear everyone was just joking around. There has and always will be debates between Xbox360 and PS3, but I felt here it was more humorous than insulting. Honestly no one cares what console you use, they only difference is different player bases.

New motto: NZISM, we don't support shit. ;D

as Obama said, THAT WAS A JOKE.

bahahaha dinkleberries. tbh I didn't think anyone would take this to heart at all because it's obvious that everyone was joking around. Hell, if it happened to Xbox I most likely would've trolled despite the fact that I have nothing against the console. Man what a buzzkill  :P

Everybody knows PC is the superior gaming platform anyway.

Quote from: originaljulz on May 06, 2011, 05:15:01 PM
Everybody knows PC is the superior gaming platform anyway.

lol

Quote from: stereomonkey on May 06, 2011, 12:46:27 PM
New motto: NZISM, we don't support shit. ;D

as Obama said, THAT WAS A JOKE.

O..M..G. is it just me? or is this fucking dry as fuck hahaha.

Quote from: Nick4now on May 06, 2011, 04:52:17 PM
bahahaha dinkleberries.

hahahahaha nutberries in yo mouth scrub hahahahahah!!!

this joking thing is fun.

Dear hackers, please fuck off:
Exclusive: Third attack against Sony planned
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20060227&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-260

You break the law, get punished, so you'll break the law some more with the FBI and security firms keeping a close eye on the network.

Oooooo but good news :)

QuoteOn the European PlayStation Blog, we've learned Sony will offer up five different PlayStation 3 games and four PSP games. You won't be able to download all five, however. Instead, you'll get two from each.

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/sony-europe-to-offer-select-ps3-psp-games-when-psns-back-online/3145/

Yaheee for multiple accounts :)

How long did it take you guys to get a new debit card? I'll go in and cancel mine on Monday, but it's kind of a bitch given that it's my eftpos card as well.

takes about 5-7 working days, so like a week...

Quote from: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on May 07, 2011, 10:18:32 AM
How long did it take you guys to get a new debit card? I'll go in and cancel mine on Monday, but it's kind of a bitch given that it's my eftpos card as well.

Haven't changed mine yet. But I got a credit card. Man debit card fraud would be really inconvenient.

Quote from: CptMunta on May 07, 2011, 07:59:29 AM
Oooooo but good news :)

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/sony-europe-to-offer-select-ps3-psp-games-when-psns-back-online/3145/

Yaheee for multiple accounts :)

Seems pretty sweet as. Yeah multiple accounts could become a problem for Sony if this is true. Unless this only applies to PSN+ members.

Quote from: CptMunta on May 07, 2011, 07:23:57 AM
Dear hackers, please fuck off:
Exclusive: Third attack against Sony planned
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20060227&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-260

You break the law, get punished, so you'll break the law some more with the FBI and security firms keeping a close eye on the network.

Its just getting silly now.

Oh man i really pray that one of dem is fighting game. fuck i don't have any of da downloadable fighting game ay.

I had heaps of shit from Graeme but then my ps3 fucked out and that cunt ran outta shares haha.

They reckon it's gonna be "In the month" now. WTF!!! I played my mate yesterday. Fuck my Marvel was sooo shit it wasn't funny. My SF is still gdlk as fuck though bahaha.

We should've got psn by now they said deadline is at the end of the week.

Quote from: xFIST_0F_FURYx on May 08, 2011, 12:53:26 PM
We should've got psn by now they said deadline is at the end of the week.

Its not gonna be back this week, looks like theres more problems http://kotaku.com/#!5799556/sony-latest-update-on-playstation-network-status-doesnt-sound-good (http://kotaku.com/#!5799556/sony-latest-update-on-playstation-network-status-doesnt-sound-good)

Most people seem to be PSN users here, but I'm not sure why. SSF4 is awful on PSN, the 360 one is at least somewhat playable. AH3's online is also better for 360.

It's not fanboy bullshit, it's proven.  The only reason why Evo uses PS3 is because the 360 version runs slightly faster, plus the whole Microsoft USB lock-out thing.

How's it better on Live over PSN?

I really don't get why people say Xbox is better over PS3. They both use a Peer to Peer connection to play with people. Xbox doesn't have some magic cable that makes the connection better, its literally just heresay. You could argue that people on Xbox have better connections than people on PS3 but that has nothing to do with the console anyway.

Argh.

Get an xbox and you'll see, lol

I have both consoles and I feel they are the same in the connection speed department. I will say the interface of Live and party options, etc are better but apart from that, nothing else.

http://homingcancel.com/arcana-general-discussion/port-report/135/

"There are quite small differences with SSFIV and BBCS as well between the PS3 and XBox 360 versions..."

"I don't think it's great enough to affect most things, but close-to-just-frame execution stuff will definitely get messed up."

I also recall Japanese top players  favouring the 360  version, I don't feel like digging it up though.

xbox version must be more like the arcade cabs. But who gives a shiet. 

Quote from: LN on May 08, 2011, 06:29:29 PM
Get an xbox and you'll see, lol

I have an Xbox.

Quote from: Chocobuny on May 08, 2011, 07:30:45 PM
I have an Xbox.

You've turned to the darkside!!!

Quote from: Chocobuny on May 08, 2011, 07:30:45 PM
I have an Xbox.

Do you have Kinect and Michael Jackson Experience? LOL

Real talk I've played the same person, same connection over xbox and PS3 and I will tell you xbox is better.

Quote from: HoneyBadger on May 09, 2011, 11:21:35 AM
Real talk I've played the same person, same connection over xbox and PS3 and I will tell you xbox is better.

Truth, but it can definitely vary from game to game.

Quote from: Pjai on May 09, 2011, 09:27:23 AM
Do you have Kinect and Michael Jackson Experience? LOL

....I have the Kinect ;_; Parents bought it as a gift qqqqqqqq

Quote from: geneterror on May 09, 2011, 11:57:21 AM
Truth, but it can definitely vary from game to game.

Real talk I've only played SSF4 online on both.

IVE PLAYED SOMEONE ON BOTH AND I FOUND PSN TO BE BETTER. THIS MEANS I AM SUPERIOR.

Two vs one in this forum alone, with countless others backing up said fact. Sources say you're wrong.

meh, does it really matter?

the console that has the most fnds on is the better console imo lol i am just a casual noob so those 0.005sec off those 1 frame links don't really get me since i would drop them anyway. 

There's your first problem. Delay shouldn't be affecting your 1 framers as they should all be muscle memory. The things lag should be affecting are hit confirms, anti airs, blocking mixups and shit that you actually have to react to.

Quote from: HoneyBadger on May 09, 2011, 01:45:17 PM
Two vs one in this forum alone, with countless others backing up said fact. Sources say you're wrong.

Those are some cool sources bro.

Short of digging through SRK this isn't going any where.

Besides how are you going to play Idolmaster on a PS3!?

Quote from: Elixir on May 08, 2011, 05:08:13 PM
Most people seem to be PSN users here, but I'm not sure why. SSF4 is awful on PSN, the 360 one is at least somewhat playable. AH3's online is also better for 360.

It's not fanboy bullshit, it's proven.  The only reason why Evo uses PS3 is because the 360 version runs slightly faster, plus the whole Microsoft USB lock-out thing.

Not putting you on blast. But I thought I'd explain why I own a PS3 and haven't switched to better online.

I got it for HD Remix and as a media player before any of the games you mentioned were released, alot of people bought their ps3 before any knowledge at all was out about the lag factor in either consoles online services or a few frames of lag between versions of games. Also there's the region free factor and the Blu Ray player amongst other things.

I have played on PS3 and Xbox live in different countries as well as NZ. XBL seemed slightly better in a few cases and I did dig the interface a bit more. But is it not a dealbreaker for me at all. PS3 didn't feel terrible in comparison just not as polished.

People buy the console they want for several reasons and the first one is: does it have the games I want and what am I going to use it for. Evo uses the PS3 because they have alot of PS3s Ponder said so in a recent podcast, also it's easier to dual mod a xbox stick to work on ps3 than the other way around and there is no decent PS2 or Ps3 to Xbox controller adapters.

Also AH3 has been available for PS3 users since it's region free for months now whether the online is trash or not.

I don't consider myself a fanboy either, I think buy people the console they want because of reasons that are important to them and deal with the pros and cons of the system. There is no "wrong" system it should all just come down to preference. Consoles wars have always sucked since Sega vs Nintendo, no one gets a medal for battling for their system and putting the other system down. M$ and $ony don't give a shit how much people fanboy over them they just want to make money.

I'll gladly buy an Xbox to play Street Fighter 4 on. I just don't think it warrants the $1000 or so to do it. Stick, game, system etc.

Quote from: CrazyMobius on May 09, 2011, 05:45:43 PM
I'll gladly buy an Xbox to play Street Fighter 4 on. I just don't think it warrants the $1000 or so to do it. Stick, game, system etc.

pretty sure you can get a te for $199 , 360 console off trade me $200 , game off trade me $40 . 12 kmonths live $60

$500 should cover you fine

Ya I'll admit the one legit complaint I have about the PS3 is that it is still ridiculously high priced when it's pretty much on equal terms with the Xbox.

pretty sure the original cost of ps3's was more because of the bluray and bluray components which was fair enough.

but now you can get a bluray player for $100 , i thort the cost of a ps3 may have come down more than it has .
i still wanna play mgs tho , lend me your ps3 ben haha

Quote from: [NIUE] B1ackstar Ninja on May 09, 2011, 06:54:01 PM
pretty sure the original cost of ps3's was more because of the bluray and bluray components which was fair enough.

but now you can get a bluray player for $100 , i thort the cost of a ps3 may have come down more than it has .
i still wanna play mgs tho , lend me your ps3 ben haha

Was at like Harvey Normans or some shit awhile ago and the price of a brand new one (although it did have like a 250 or 500 gig hard drive) was like $700. It's still stupid to buy one brand new.

Who gives a shit....

What a angus guy haha

Fuck, the sooner PSN goes back up the better.

Why?

1) This thread dies.
2) MK9 patches will get rolled out. PSN downtime is delaying this for both systems.

Quote from: xkheretic on May 09, 2011, 08:45:07 PM
2) MK9 patches will get rolled out. PSN downtime is delaying this for both systems.

It's gonna be a loooong time.

According to the PS Blog they are aiming for May 31st to get everything online again. But online play will be enabled before that.

MAY 31 ARE YOU SRS

Quote from: originaljulz on May 10, 2011, 02:51:01 PM
MAY 31 ARE YOU SRS

:( http://community.eu.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Network/PSN-Outage-and-FAQ-Updated-Monday-9th-May/m-p/12758774?WT.mc_id=TSO_EN_103
and
http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/116/1166810p1.html

Imagine if they put online play back on but no online chat / messaging. God that would be the ultimate tease. Don't think I could play Street Fighter without spamming the NZism chat like a retard.

I was reading the latest news at 5am I thought I was seeing things and yes 31st of may

You can download the latest firmware:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/14/ps3-system-software-update/

Haven't tryed it from my ps3 yet.

Here's an aplogy:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/14/kazuo-hirai-playstation-network-relaunch-announcement/

Mean! Does anyone know if we can download free stuff now?

Some states in america are online now, you can play online, chat etc  but psn store still down for now. Goodies being announced in a few days. Someone post when we are online in NZ  8)

YUS so looking forward to it coming back up. I'll be one happy chap when I can play against other people again more than once per week!

NZ Tauranga says that PSN is back on. Can anyone confirm this?

I signed in this morning. Can't use the store. Haven't tried playing an online game yet.

My bad. Updating only. Wouldnt sign on yesterday, profound sadness.

Quote from: geneterror on May 16, 2011, 08:54:12 AM
I signed in this morning. Can't use the store. Haven't tried playing an online game yet.

Christchurch ain't up yet. Weird, I thought they'd just do the entire country at once.

It was funny because my entire friends list was full of people that "last signed in 25 days ago" haha.

Tried last night 11pm, got the update but I couldn't log in, will try again later today

Seriously GJ internet for going ballistic over something that is free and won't be around forever. I'm glad it's back up, since people will stop complaining about it now.

And in turn, the people complaining about the complaining will stop complaining.

Psn still undergoing Gaytenance...just tried now at 12pm to sign in.

I just signed in fine.. Asked me to change my password first. Although the shop still isn't working.

PLAYSTATION NOTWORK IS WORKING?

Yeah it's back up again.

Quote from: geneterror on May 16, 2011, 08:54:12 AM
I signed in this morning. Can't use the store. Haven't tried playing an online game yet.

Store wont be online until at least the 31st.

Mine's back online now too. Funny got a 30 buck psn credit in the mail that I won. Irony +1

Yep network up and running. U were telling the truth geneterror lol thought maybe ur medication was making u c things..c u were last online 10hrs ago. I played ssf4 online noticed the big difference instantly crossing over from xbox. Oh well will have to deal with it.

Just had my first taste of online MK.. Was SICK! Hit me up if any ones keen for a jam!

Here's whats on offer. Two PlayStation 3 games from the following list:

* LittleBigPlanet
* Infamous
* Wipeout HD/Fury
* Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty
* Dead Nation

And two PSP games from the following list:

* LittleBigPlanet PSP
* ModNation Racers PSP
* Pursuit Force
* Killzone Liberation

http://kotaku.com/5802411/sony-says-welcome-back-to-playstation-network-with-these-freebies-in-europe

Meh the two good games I already have (LBP and inFamous) but I guess I'll grab the other 3 anyway. I realise you only get 2 but I'll get two on my NZ account and the other one on my Aussie account ;)

Never tried LBP so might be a chance to try that out.
I've heard Dead Nation is really good too lol. But I kinda wanna play Infamous too cos I never played through that.
Meh prob LBP and Dead Nation.

Might get LBP for PSP.

Man, that's pretty damn decent and 30 days of ps plus! Time to make some room on my harddrive :)

inFamous is my favourite action/sandbox game of the generation of consoles. Hyped for inFamous 2!

kinda lame but whatever.

Looks like ill be getting infamous. Not sure wtf Dead Nation is but im keen.

Whatever country Niue was before Rmum got there

I knew I should have complained when my 80 gig PS3 arrived from trade me with only 40 gig hard drive space : (.

I lied on my PSN because I didn't trust them with info. Now they want my fake birthdate to reset the password they disabled.

oh wow. hmm...

Quote from: Elixir on May 17, 2011, 02:16:20 PM
I lied on my PSN because I didn't trust them with info. Now they want my fake birthdate to reset the password they disabled.

oh wow. hmm...

Haha oh wow.

Quote from: Elixir on May 17, 2011, 02:16:20 PM
I lied on my PSN because I didn't trust them with info. Now they want my fake birthdate to reset the password they disabled.

oh wow. hmm...

IRONYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

No wait I got something better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxFxoLxmcdg

Does anyone have problems that receive emails from hotmail?
I have been waiting for one day and I still don't receive any emails from psn.

Have you checked your spam?

yea I did...

:(

is it per acct?

i hve NZ, aust, HK and Jpn... lol

Quote from: geneterror on May 17, 2011, 11:18:42 AM
inFamous is my favourite action/sandbox game of the generation of consoles. Hyped for inFamous 2!

Man i thought that game was pretty average ay tbh. I don't remember it being too sanboxy though either.

If you go the good route in this game or any game for that matter. You should get a trophy at the end called 'Fuck your gay'.

Quote from: Pjai on May 17, 2011, 08:05:43 PM
is it per acct?

i hve NZ, aust, HK and Jpn... lol

It is probably based on console ID, because you can sign in and out of any accounts while downloading something. I doubt they're so dumb as to let people download all games on multiple accounts.

Quote from: Elixir on May 18, 2011, 08:52:34 AM
It is probably based on console ID, because you can sign in and out of any accounts while downloading something. I doubt they're so dumb as to let people download all games on multiple accounts.

It's not like they will lose money if this happens. Apart from maybe bandwidth?

None of the games on that list appeal to me. So probably won't get any.

I'm just assuming here, no confirmed facts...

Anyway, I'm assuming it's based on Primary accounts, which I think has already been said, is linked to unique PS3 machines/serial numbers.  So, it would be the Primary account of a machine that can get the hookups, not the generic million other accounts one can make from a Primary.

Again, this is just my assumption.

Quote from: CrazyMobius on May 18, 2011, 08:57:53 AM
It's not like they will lose money if this happens. Apart from maybe bandwidth?

None of the games on that list appeal to me. So probably won't get any.

yea thats what i thought.



I will get little big planet for PSP and probably Dead nation for PS3, seems like a OK multi player game to have when fnds pops ard.

Quote from: CrazyMobius on May 18, 2011, 08:57:53 AM
It's not like they will lose money if this happens. Apart from maybe bandwidth?

None of the games on that list appeal to me. So probably won't get any.

Bandwidth IS money, unless you think that Sony don't have to pay for their servers. Ever notice how some games larger in filesize cost more? That's the case.

Quote from: Elixir on May 18, 2011, 11:16:37 AM
Bandwidth IS money, unless you think that Sony don't have to pay for their servers. Ever notice how some games larger in filesize cost more? That's the case.

Yeah that's why I said apart from bandwidth.

　Apparently Sony protection plan is not free, only first 12 months.

http://gs.inside-games.jp/news/279/27933.html

So the hackers can plan their attack for afterwards? I see.

Quote from: Elixir on May 18, 2011, 05:22:42 PM
　Apparently Sony protection plan is not free, only first 12 months.

http://gs.inside-games.jp/news/279/27933.html

So the hackers can plan their attack for afterwards? I see.

Pretty sure that protection thing only applies for Americans as well.

Quote from: Chocobuny on May 18, 2011, 05:30:40 PM
Pretty sure that protection thing only applies for Americans as well.

So far, France, Italy, UK, Germany, and Spain and the news is from SCEE.

Hey, PSN was hacked again..

http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/116/1169006p1.html

Finally I received the reset password email from Sony today
and now Sony has closed the web page lol

Lol wuuut