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General Category => Strategy => Topic started by: fluxcore on December 07, 2009, 09:12:26 AM

Title: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: fluxcore on December 07, 2009, 09:12:26 AM
Maj over at sonichurricane.com has been posting some really great articles in the past few months, and the latest one might be a little helpful for some of you footsie noobs out there.

pt 1: http://sonichurricane.com/?p=691
pt 2: http://sonichurricane.com/?p=759
pt 3: http://sonichurricane.com/?p=852
pt 4: http://sonichurricane.com/?p=902
pt 5: http://sonichurricane.com/?p=944
pt 6: http://sonichurricane.com/?p=1022
pt 7: http://sonichurricane.com/?p=1055
pt 8: http://sonichurricane.com/?p=1123
pt 9: http://sonichurricane.com/?p=1231

Suppliment Article:
A http://sonichurricane.com/?p=1510
B http://sonichurricane.com/?p=1606
Epilogue http://sonichurricane.com/?p=1814
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: samurai black on December 07, 2009, 01:36:58 PM
holy fuck, that guile was nasty. need to learn me some new tricks.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: electric on December 07, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
I've been keeping up with these articles myself... they're really good. Makes me want to pick up Ryu again just so I can put some of this stuff into practice... It's really no good with Abel since his walk speed + pokes at mid range = useless :( You can't do anything on reaction, so you just get poked into oblivion
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE]iRONSoL on December 07, 2009, 02:22:32 PM
HIDE BEHIND THE TABLE!!?

haha funny shit
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: CrazyMobius on December 07, 2009, 03:44:52 PM
Fairly brief and kinda wanky.

Good find though!
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: fluxcore on December 14, 2009, 10:03:23 AM
part 2 up! http://sonichurricane.com/?p=759
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: fluxcore on December 21, 2009, 08:22:14 AM
pt 3 http://sonichurricane.com/?p=852
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: Gino on December 21, 2009, 09:06:10 AM
Good read, thanks
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: geneterror on December 21, 2009, 09:11:05 AM
You're on a roll with the awesome vid posts at the moment Alan 8)
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: fluxcore on December 21, 2009, 09:12:42 AM
Quote from: geneterror on December 21, 2009, 09:11:05 AM
You're on a roll with the awesome vid posts at the moment Alan 8)

Man, there are so many idiots on this board these days I can't even tell if that's sincere :(
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: fluxcore on December 28, 2009, 10:07:18 AM
pt4 up!
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: CrazyMobius on December 28, 2009, 10:31:49 AM
Steven (I Got Paid) once talked about a technique which is related to this. Have you ever seen your opponent struggling to get a difficult move out but they just can't find the gap? Well if you give them an opening their brain will still be set to 'complete task' and they will complete their move even though it is totally unsafe to do so.
This is different to a regular bait as your opponent is not intending to use this move as a counter anymore. They were when they first unsuccessfully attempted it, but  through their frustration they lose sight of winning and the success of completing the move becomes their primary focus!

Try it out and see what happens!
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: samurai black on December 28, 2009, 11:06:45 AM
ive seen mike burn through 4 levels in marvel trying to land a snapback  :D
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on December 28, 2009, 11:15:54 AM
Shot. Should I put this to work with my Sagat? LOL.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on December 28, 2009, 11:25:58 AM
Quote from: samurai black on December 28, 2009, 11:06:45 AM
ive seen mike burn through 4 levels in marvel trying to land a snapback  :D
LOL, Mike man you's a crrraaazzzeeee nigga.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: CrazyMobius on December 28, 2009, 11:34:02 AM
Quote from: weazzyefff on December 28, 2009, 11:15:54 AM
Shot. Should I put this to work with my Sagat? LOL.


If footsies are what I think they are then Sagat has a hard time in SF4 as his walk speed is so slow.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on December 28, 2009, 11:46:37 AM
Quote from: CrazyMobius on December 28, 2009, 11:34:02 AM
Quote from: weazzyefff on December 28, 2009, 11:15:54 AM
Shot. Should I put this to work with my Sagat? LOL.


If footsies are what I think they are then Sagat has a hard time in SF4 as his walk speed is so slow.
Shit yeah it is.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [8-----D] Toots on December 28, 2009, 12:12:14 PM
And all of his normals are slow. The only move that I think can be used to punish whiffs is his standing light kick. Seems like sagats always had shit footsies barring cvs2 where he seems to have awesome footsies.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: Hydro on December 28, 2009, 03:28:04 PM
Quote from: Toomeke on December 28, 2009, 12:12:14 PM
And all of his normals are slow. The only move that I think can be used to punish whiffs is his standing light kick. Seems like sagats always had shit footsies barring cvs2 where he seems to have awesome footsies.

His alpha 3 footsies weren't too bad. s.mp (similar to his overhead animation in SFIV) was a decent quick ranged poke that had some lower body invincibility, and his c.hp was easily as good as in CVS2 in alpha 3 too. Even his c.hk wasn't that bad either. . .

But yeah, SFIV Sagat ain't about that.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: Hydro on December 28, 2009, 03:37:48 PM
Quote from: CrazyMobius on December 28, 2009, 10:31:49 AM
Steven (I Got Paid) once talked about a technique which is related to this. Have you ever seen your opponent struggling to get a difficult move out but they just can't find the gap? Well if you give them an opening their brain will still be set to 'complete task' and they will complete their move even though it is totally unsafe to do so.
This is different to a regular bait as your opponent is not intending to use this move as a counter anymore. They were when they first unsuccessfully attempted it, but  through their frustration they lose sight of winning and the success of completing the move becomes their primary focus!

Try it out and see what happens!


Forgot to mention: the above is some Genius from Stephen.

I always remember his lecture on "Missed combo opportunities", which was some good advice for doing that biggest most efficient combo (or combo set up) as you can instead of being all safe and throwing and shit. 
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on December 28, 2009, 03:41:14 PM
Man some people just cant spot sarcasm to save themselves
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on December 28, 2009, 05:47:42 PM
Ugh, im guilty of that shit.

I often miss something and go into "fuck you im going to land this goddamn move/combo" mode.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: stereomonkey on December 28, 2009, 06:35:16 PM
I only get that way when I'm playing Guile.  When it comes to missing his super all I wanna do is land the fucker.  Haha
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on December 28, 2009, 07:54:51 PM
What, aye? Supers gone after you use it.

Oh, and no game exists in my experience besides sf4 lol. Just clicked.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: CrazyMobius on December 28, 2009, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: stereomonkey on December 28, 2009, 06:35:16 PM
I only get that way when I'm playing Guile.  When it comes to missing his super all I wanna do is land the fucker.  Haha

Sometimes you can spot it in desperate Zangief players too.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: stereomonkey on December 29, 2009, 12:44:52 AM
I tend to do it if it doesn't come out the first time.  I think Euan is the same when it comes to that ;)
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: samurai black on December 29, 2009, 01:01:51 AM
Quote from: ILL_BILL on December 28, 2009, 05:47:42 PM
I often miss something and go into "fuck you im going to land this goddamn move/combo" mode.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on December 29, 2009, 08:55:32 AM
Quote from: stereomonkey on December 29, 2009, 12:44:52 AM
I tend to do it if it doesn't come out the first time.  I think Euan is the same when it comes to that ;)
All I know is the B1ackstar NEVER dies with a full super.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: stereomonkey on December 29, 2009, 11:52:06 AM
You know Im not only talking about SFIV...
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on December 29, 2009, 01:39:44 PM
Quote from: stereomonkey on December 29, 2009, 11:52:06 AM
You know Im not only talking about SFIV...
Quote from: weazzyefff on December 28, 2009, 07:54:51 PM
What, aye? Supers gone after you use it.

Oh, and no game exists in my experience besides sf4 lol. Just clicked.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: stereomonkey on December 29, 2009, 03:05:43 PM
Hah, I must have skipped that post ;)
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on December 29, 2009, 04:21:49 PM
Quote from: CrazyMobius on December 28, 2009, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: stereomonkey on December 28, 2009, 06:35:16 PM
I only get that way when I'm playing Guile.  When it comes to missing his super all I wanna do is land the fucker.  Haha

Sometimes you can spot it in desperate Zangief players too.
LOL, yeah ir there right next to you aye, you would ''Liiisssstteeen to your oppenent, feeeeelll where he is'''.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] B1ackstar Ninja on January 03, 2010, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: weazzyefff on December 29, 2009, 08:55:32 AM
Quote from: stereomonkey on December 29, 2009, 12:44:52 AM
I tend to do it if it doesn't come out the first time.  I think Euan is the same when it comes to that ;)
All I know is the B1ackstar NEVER dies with a full super.
Lol hell yeah if you die without unleashing the super beast u r offically queer haha
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: fluxcore on January 04, 2010, 09:50:42 AM
pt 5 up http://sonichurricane.com/?p=944

Some of the most important advice yet!
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on January 04, 2010, 01:23:36 PM
True, I need one for Tekken, or so i've been told lol.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: CrazyMobius on January 05, 2010, 08:03:44 AM
Quote from: fluxcore on January 04, 2010, 09:50:42 AM

Some of the most important advice yet!

Yeah I can remember playing Street Fighter II series for a good couple of years before I realised that when I jumped in i didn't have to press anything. Thus causing opponents to whiff their uppercuts. A tactic that would later be crucial in the Street Fighter III series.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: fluxcore on January 18, 2010, 07:51:56 AM
6 & 7
http://sonichurricane.com/?p=1022
http://sonichurricane.com/?p=1055
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: fluxcore on January 25, 2010, 07:07:12 AM
8
http://sonichurricane.com/?p=1123
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: CrazyMobius on January 25, 2010, 10:42:26 AM
Man we should start writing something like this!
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: fluxcore on February 01, 2010, 09:12:39 AM
pt 9 up http://sonichurricane.com/?p=1231
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on February 17, 2010, 08:10:03 AM
Suppliment Article:
http://sonichurricane.com/?p=1510
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE]iRONSoL on July 02, 2010, 12:34:02 PM
read plz

http://sonichurricane.com/?p=3001

Quote
If you wouldn’t say something to someone in person, do your reputation a favor and don’t say it online either.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] BIRRY WONG on July 02, 2010, 01:49:38 PM
Haha everything BIRRY WONG says online he says in person as well.
Title: Re: Maj's Footsies handbook
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on July 02, 2010, 01:55:43 PM
Everything weazzy says online is a million times worse in person. Buck a hoe.