SSF4 hitboxes , all characters . you may now bow to the U-man ....

[[NIUE] BIRRY WONG]

Meanwhile El Fuerte is a more viable option now.

Does anyone know what the yellow outlined box in the first Adon pic signifies?

Fuerte has a new ultra. Thats the only thing making him better. He has no other changes that are noteworthy.

And those are green lines. Theyre his vulnrable hitboxes.

[massi4h]

Any reason to still use U1 Bill? I'm guessing U2 works as a free anti air due to them taking 4 frames to land (3 frame startup I think) and it should go under most aerial moves? Or does it not have invincibility?

[[NIUE] BIRRY WONG]

Any reason to still use U1 Bill? I'm guessing U2 works as a free anti air due to them taking 4 frames to land (3 frame startup I think) and it should go under most aerial moves? Or does it not have invincibility?

Its great as a late anti air for that exact reason. I would use the spark in most situations. Against Akuma i might be tempted to use the teabag sunrise though, since its so good against air fireballs/demon flip mixups.

And you can generally punish stuff with the FGB from further away. Cheeky run -> stop -> ultra over fireballs are a lot more reliable with U1. Fact of the matter is, why would i want to be tricky and do this, when i can just block Ryu's c.mk -> fireball and then PUNISH IT with the spark?

Time it wrong as an AA thought and you slide right unter that shit and then your opponent lols as he punishes you. And its fireball invincible for sure. Not sure how its invincibility is outside of that.

[fluxcore]

prima guide says u1 is preferred for fuerte

[massi4h]

Hmm yeah. I guess FGB can still punish shitty teleports. Both seem like pretty decent ultras.

[[NIUE] BIRRY WONG]

prima guide says u1 is preferred for fuerte

LOL

Hmm yeah. I guess FGB can still punish shitty teleports. Both seem like pretty decent ultras.

To be fair, run -> stop -> U2 can punish shitty teleports as well. The more i think about it, i dont actually have that much trouble with vortex/air fireballs. The worst part of that match for me was that without EX meter, akuma could (in vanilla. not sure about super) turbo the rh button, and there was LITERALLY nothing fuerte could do. Im still in the lab with the spark. Im definitely not using it properly at this point, but it has a lot of potential.

[CrazyMobius]

prima guide says u1 is preferred for fuerte

Does the prima guide have frame data?

[[NIUE] Optimus DAVE]

i will be stealing this from you on saturday mr U-mantis 

hopefully you can get dudley and guile info aswell....

but you sir, are definately, THE MAN

[electric]

Does the prima guide have frame data?

Yup - which can all be found here: http://sfframedata.com/

[Barnstorm]

prima guide says u1 is preferred for fuerte

I would like to know the thought precess behind this

U1 isnt even gauranteed as an anti air against half the characters
and U2 is great for punishment

[samurai black]

I would like to know the thought precess behind this

they flipped a coin.

[CrazyMobius]

Yup - which can all be found here: http://sfframedata.com/

~ Add to bookmarks.

[[NIUE] BIRRY WONG]

I would like to know the thought precess behind this

U1 isnt even gauranteed as an anti air against half the characters
and U2 is great for punishment

Yea its a pretty retarded claim. Also given that 99% of the Fuerte playerbase prefer U2 in most, if not all situations.

However U1 is totally guaranteed against the entire cast as long as your timing is right. Even if they can change their jump arc (shoto's/rufus etc) as long as you wait a little bit (until AFTER the divekick input for instance) before using it and have good judgement of time/distance, then its pretty easy to AA the whole cast.