About the optimum solution, It's just logical stuffs combining from a few facts + a general solution. Nothing like Rocket Science really..... I guess the best way for me to explain it so that everyone can see it clearly is by looking at the different cases.
Scenario 1 - both players get effected : The fact which the setup has different timing cannot be changed. And It wouldn't effect you only, It would effect other players as well. So If u have to play against an equal level player, u are practically on the same ground because it effects both of u. So It would all come down to whoever "adjust" to it faster win OR whoever has better "strategy" win. And if u play against a worse player, most likely u still win since both of u get effected by it. So if u get -2 on ur overall performance, he would get -2 as well unless his setup at home has closer delay than urs. And that will go to Scenario 2.
Scenario 2 - only U get effected : If u play against a player who doesn't get effected by the lag less setup (In this case, a) Maybe some "less combo/1-2 frame timing relying characters" or b) people who has this setup at home) there's nothing much u can do about it since they already know the "system" better than u right from the start. And the outcome depends a lot on who knows the system better. So basically, If this player level = ur level and know the system better than u, u would lose no matter what. Or If his level is lower than urs, that means u still can beat him ONLY IF u don't depend on combo to avoid making mistakes from ur executions and depend more on "strategy".
In the end, Depend on strategy to win seems to be an optimum solution since u don't have to worry about the other player knows the system or not. Nor u need to worry about the change in the setup because It will fall back into Scenario 1 & 2.
So I worked my way backward and started to develop my strategy. The strategy I had was:
1. Relying on easy damage & basic combo where timing is "less required" (for example, for viper, I do st.heavy punch --> ex sessimic hammer instead of st. heavy punch --> feint --> blah blah....., and jump in heavy kick --> mid punch --> thunder knuckle instead of st.mid punch --> cr.mid punch, and so on.......). This way, I can still keep 80% of my damage and reduce the risk of missing combo by over 80% if we don't want to call it completely. And I think ALL the characters should have basic combos where damage is 80% as good as full-hard combos. I could be wrong in a few cases but you know what i mean.
2. Since this setup is lag less, reaction plays a very important factor compares to normal games. Which also means, Anti-air, tech throw now can be performed easier + faster = more effective. Zonning & footsies tools also benefit a lot in this case but I didn't name it here because at the moment, that is our weakness and Nobody could master it (punish sweeps like Daigo). But thanks to that, it open number 3 for me.
3. More footsies and zonning, combine with number 2, this is an ultimate tool. What else, NZ levels cannot punish sweeps so feel free to stick your foot out.
4. Full damage combo or punish "will not" work as well in this case coz my timing has already been changed. PLUS, being able to execute it in once round doesn't mean i can pull it out on another rounds.
So, in general, what i did was sticking to basic combos to minimize the risk, Used more tools which benefit from lag free, and played a safe strategy. That is why in the 3 vs 3, I didn't use any fancy moves or mix-up but still did fine and processed pretty far. And you probably has already noticed that I used Sessimic hammer A LOT more compare to normal games coz this is 1 of the benefit which is listed in number 2&3. I can keep going on and on for the whole day but I think you already understand it by now or you have already understood it before seeing the post and think what's I've said is pretty useless. But that's what I've said myself, it's all logical and easy to see stuffs.
Any more questions ?? feel free to ask. But please don't flame. I just want to help. Peace !! ^_^
so basically you're saying that the lag free setup is better because you can react better, but because you are not used to it your combo timing is off, but thats not really a problem?
thank god.
thank you.
lag topic over. no more qq.
Yes it's better because you can react better but you are not used to it so your combo timing is off. That's corrected. It wouldn't be a problem to the OUTCOME but it will be a problem to the PERFORMANCE. Because our timing is off, it made us look like scrubs even in the Grand Final. Ask how many players right here feel like scrubs in the 3v3 compare to their normal casuals ??
Basically, What I'm saying is for a different delay setup:
the OUTCOME of the match won't change when you find the right solution to it which is pretty easy to see.
BUT the PERFORMANCE will be effected by it.
OUTCOME = Win/lose
PERFORMANCE = Combo execution, max damage combo, reset/mix up timing, etc........
And when people watch tournament clips, they don't care about the OUTCOME, they don't give a fuck about me becoming the champion or you becoming the champion, they only interest in PERFORMANCE to determine that country's level.
I hope i made it clear enough ??
It doesn't matter what it looks like, as long as you know within your heart that you can pull off flashy combos then thats all you need.
BELIEVE IT.
Catch you at ranbats on Friday! YEAH BOI.
So, regarding back to the solution.
If you say : "I could have won the match", then you are wrong, it won't change the outcome unless you put a few assumptions such as : you find yourself a solution and the other players don't, but that's another scenario already.
And if you say : "I can do better than that", then you are right, you can perform way better than that on different setups. But tough luck, that's the setup designed for tournament.
@ Rorooze : I really wanted to believe it and I tried to believe it many times but I always get disappointed. Maybe "my believing" wasn't strong enough to twist the fact.
Quote from: Rorooze on June 29, 2010, 10:44:41 PM
It doesn't matter what it looks like, as long as you know within your heart that you can pull off flashy combos then thats all you need.
BELIEVE IT.
Catch you at ranbats on Friday! YEAH BOI.
This I can't agree on!!! I play to make teh girls woooooohooooooo....oh wait... there is no girls watching >.< damn.
on topic, its teh flashy combos plays a major factor in the game, its like I pull a normal heavy dmg combo and it does 50 dmg, but now if I pull the flashy combo and it does 70 dmg. For the same punishment I can effective do 4 things.
1: Do MAX dmg on punish or whatever.
2:If the player is on 120 hp max and I do x2 50 dmg combo he will still be alive and thats like giving them a chance to come back, whereas if i did 2x 70 dmg combo he is dead :)
3: the flashy combos does more stun^^ and what does this mean? the other player will feel ALOT of pressure because in 1 -2 hits after my heavy combo they will be stuff, that is practically GG for them. So your game is pretty much secure.
4: I just like to look good :) because those flashy combo is what motivates me to play even harder^^ u will feel the flow within you and its like you can do what you like against that player since you're confident with you execution.
meh maybe this is too hard for some of you to get :P muahahaha
anyways why am I explaining when I told Hue to shut -.- cao.
PEACE!!!
Fuck, ive been posting in the other thread. I didnt see this one.
Anyway, In the other thread, i had a massive (and awesome) post about all this, so ill just repeat the part that applys.
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 29, 2010, 09:47:03 PM
About the optimum solution, It's just logical stuffs combining from a few facts + a general solution. Nothing like Rocket Science really..... I guess the best way for me to explain it so that everyone can see it clearly is by looking at the different cases.
Scenario 1 - both players get effected : The fact which the setup has different timing cannot be changed. And It wouldn't effect you only, It would effect other players as well. So If u have to play against an equal level player, u are practically on the same ground because it effects both of u. So It would all come down to whoever "adjust" to it faster win OR whoever has better "strategy" win. And if u play against a worse player, most likely u still win since both of u get effected by it. So if u get -2 on ur overall performance, he would get -2 as well unless his setup at home has closer delay than urs. And that will go to Scenario 2.
Scenario 2 - only U get effected : If u play against a player who doesn't get effected by the lag less setup (In this case, a) Maybe some "less combo/1-2 frame timing relying characters" or b) people who has this setup at home) there's nothing much u can do about it since they already know the "system" better than u right from the start. And the outcome depends a lot on who knows the system better. So basically, If this player level = ur level and know the system better than u, u would lose no matter what. Or If his level is lower than urs, that means u still can beat him ONLY IF u don't depend on combo to avoid making mistakes from ur executions and depend more on "strategy".
In the end, Depend on strategy to win seems to be an optimum solution since u don't have to worry about the other player knows the system or not. Nor u need to worry about the change in the setup because It will fall back into Scenario 1 & 2.
So I worked my way backward and started to develop my strategy. The strategy I had was:
1. Relying on easy damage & basic combo where timing is "less required" (for example, for viper, I do st.heavy punch --> ex sessimic hammer instead of st. heavy punch --> feint --> blah blah....., and jump in heavy kick --> mid punch --> thunder knuckle instead of st.mid punch --> cr.mid punch, and so on.......). This way, I can still keep 80% of my damage and reduce the risk of missing combo by over 80% if we don't want to call it completely. And I think ALL the characters should have basic combos where damage is 80% as good as full-hard combos. I could be wrong in a few cases but you know what i mean.
2. Since this setup is lag less, reaction plays a very important factor compares to normal games. Which also means, Anti-air, tech throw now can be performed easier + faster = more effective. Zonning & footsies tools also benefit a lot in this case but I didn't name it here because at the moment, that is our weakness and Nobody could master it (punish sweeps like Daigo). But thanks to that, it open number 3 for me.
3. More footsies and zonning, combine with number 2, this is an ultimate tool. What else, NZ levels cannot punish sweeps so feel free to stick your foot out.
4. Full damage combo or punish "will not" work as well in this case coz my timing has already been changed. PLUS, being able to execute it in once round doesn't mean i can pull it out on another rounds.
So, in general, what i did was sticking to basic combos to minimize the risk, Used more tools which benefit from lag free, and played a safe strategy. That is why in the 3 vs 3, I didn't use any fancy moves or mix-up but still did fine and processed pretty far. And you probably has already noticed that I used Sessimic hammer A LOT more compare to normal games coz this is 1 of the benefit which is listed in number 2&3. I can keep going on and on for the whole day but I think you already understand it by now or you have already understood it before seeing the post and think what's I've said is pretty useless. But that's what I've said myself, it's all logical and easy to see stuffs.
Any more questions ?? feel free to ask. But please don't flame. I just want to help. Peace !! ^_^
This is total truth. In my match against Skullator for example, i stopped going for RSF's because i was dropping them, and just went for simple punishes like s.hk -> guac because i knew i wouldn't fuck it up. The match takes a bit longer, but you dont throw the game away because of retarded drops.
HOWEVER, you only need to do this for a little while until you are used to the setup. Once you get used to it, you can go for all the combos you like AND have easier reactions. THIS is the best way to go imo. It may take you days or weeks to get used to the setup, but when it happens, you WILL be Godlike again. Even moreso than you were before.
Lag free simply takes TIME to get used to. Once you are used to a lag free setup, your game will be BETTER than if you were playing on a laggy setup that you are also used to. This is the whole point of a lag free setup. We want people to be the BEST they can be. If youre awesome on a laggy setup, but crap on a lag free setup,
then youre not able to reach your potential as a player. You NEED to be playing on a lag free setup to become the best you can be. This is why i think everyone needs to toughen up. Stop the crying, and play with no lag until youre fucking awesome at it.
Quote from: zosla on June 30, 2010, 08:56:56 AM
2:If the player is on 120 hp max and I do x2 50 dmg combo he will still be alive and thats like giving them a chance to come back, whereas if i did 2x 70 dmg combo he is dead :)
3: the flashy combos does more stun^^ and what does this mean? the other player will feel ALOT of pressure because in 1 -2 hits after my heavy combo they will be stuff, that is practically GG for them. So your game is pretty much secure.
Oh ya I agree, by flashy combo I thought you meant combo's that look cool but might not be the actual best punish, etc. peace <3
but in all honesty, you can argue all you want, but then go to an arcade like yifans for example or even GGs in Australia, Arcades in Japan.
ALL of these cabs setup are very similar to the speed that Hue has mentioned that most people are use to, eg: Yifan crew.
So when we play on teh so called lagless setup, we feel it to be WEIRD, so its NORMAL. because that is teh standard that the world uses, but we just have to be cool and special with out lagless setup.
All in all, we have a small community and try to have the so called best setup which majority of the world don't use?
My question is if you go to SBO, Toki... or whatever tournament, EVo even, you will fuck up hard because those setup are just like the arcades or IS the arcade. Get my point? maybe not LOL
PEACE!!!
derp
Quote from: zosla on June 30, 2010, 10:07:24 AM
but in all honesty, you can argue all you want, but then go to an arcade like yifans for example or even GGs in Australia, Arcades in Japan.
ALL of these cabs setup are very similar to the speed that Hue has mentioned that most people are use to, eg: Yifan crew.
So when we play on teh so called lagless setup, we feel it to be WEIRD, so its NORMAL. because that is teh standard that the world uses, but we just have to be cool and special with out lagless setup.
All in all, we have a small community and try to have the so called best setup which majority of the world don't use?
My question is if you go to SBO, Toki... or whatever tournament, EVo even, you will fuck up hard because those setup are just like the arcades or IS the arcade. Get my point? maybe not LOL
PEACE!!!
Yifans speed is retardedly slow though.
And the Yifans arcade speed is not necessarily worldwide arcade speed, especially since yifans has such crap monitors anyway. I know when i was in melbourne, the arcade speed was HEAPS different to yifans. TBH i wouldnt be using yifans as any kind of comparative tool. And for reference, the majority of the world DO aim to have as little lag as possible. Just because EVO are rocking PS3's does NOT mean they will have laggy setups. They will be going out of their way to make it have the least lag possible.
I get the point youre TRYING to make, but your information is just, well, wrong.
Yeah the yiffans setups are pretty bad. I'd actually say that they are comparable if not worse to the Giga TV's.
It's interesting, cause I find that when I sucked I didn't notice the difference. But now that I am becoming more competitive I definitely notice the difference. I blame Ben. I was happy in my ignorance of all this crap until he turned me into a "Lag-Snob". Damn you Ben.
I just want to go back to the good old days when I could twirl a stick, and mash buttons with wanton abandon.
The thing is that I found yifan teh same speed as the setups in teh arcade and console in aussy, so enlighten me here a bit and tell me that they are all playing on a laggy setup and they are all wrong and we are teh best...
hmmmmmmmmmmm...
Quote from: zosla on June 30, 2010, 11:36:16 AM
The thing is that I found yifan teh same speed as the setups in teh arcade and console in aussy, so enlighten me here a bit and tell me that they are all playing on a laggy setup and they are all wrong and we are teh best...
hmmmmmmmmmmm...
If you had them all next to each other, you would notice the difference. Its massive. You adjust to things like this quite quickly, which is great for you. But unfortunately it means you keep a very closed mind around things like this. The setup at the 3v3 is as close to the 'world standard' as we are getting atm. This is how it is. Your idea of what the world is doing is, quite simply, incorrect.
Quote from: BIRRY WONG on June 30, 2010, 10:31:20 AM
Just because EVO are rocking PS3's does NOT mean they will have laggy setups. They will be going out of their way to make it have the least lag possible.
I get the point youre TRYING to make, but your information is just, well, wrong.
From what I understand, the evo monitors are not QUITE lagless, but are close. They DID go out of their way to purchase a whole ton of what they thought were lagless setups, it just turned out they weren't quite as good as they thought and now they are stuck with them. This is what Andy was saying right at the start, that if THEY have a laggy setup, why shouldn't we?
So I wouldn't say his information is WRONG as such.
I actually went to Yifans just now to try it out, I do agree Yifan is freaking slower than I though LOL.
Much slower than what they had aussy infact^^
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on June 30, 2010, 10:38:23 AM
I just want to go back to the good old days when I could twirl a stick, and mash buttons with wanton abandon.
Ahh isn't ignorance bliss :)
I love mashing away on my projector.
Quote from: zosla on June 30, 2010, 01:40:53 PM
I actually went to Yifans just now to try it out, I do agree Yifan is freaking slower than I though LOL.
Much slower than what they had aussy infact^^
Yeah, and unfortunately it'll probably still be like that for a Super arcade release... :/
I guess that begs the question "is it the console Super just different speed to arcade vanilla in general" but I think the consensus from ppl around the world was that the speeds of vanilla vs super are actually the same...
man.... I've spent like 2 hours here keep typing and delete and typing and delete......... I want to share my experience with everyone to help them improving their game but I really don't know where to start without hurting people.
If I say : "In my opinion......." then people might think :"STFU, don't be cocky".
If I say: "I think you should....." then people might think:"yeah, right, how the F.... do you know ??"
And if I say: "What I did was......" People might think: "Yeah, show off more..... who cares...."
Just want to let you know. I just want to help the community. In fact, I'm training a certain player in the community. He used to be a pretty bad player in SF4, some might say he has no talent at all. But he gave everyone a pretty big surprise at 3vs3. And I know he can still improve much more than that. It's a matter of understanding, not playing. NOT Practicing to be more accurate. He's started to see the door and about to walk pass it. Once he walks pass it, he will be on his own again as I don't want him to inherit my "suicide style".
But before I say anything more here, I just want to see if my training method actually work for others. If he actually improve to my level, then I will openly sharing my experience without worrying people calling me BS. And also, that would convince half of the community without having 10 pages of typing.
And if my method doesn't work, then everyone in the community won't have to try it out and save their time. ^_^
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 30, 2010, 10:14:17 PM
Just want to let you know. I just want to help the community.
Im just quoting this for the hell of it. Because BIRRY WONG believes it to be true.
Helping the community is all good and thats what most of us are trying to do, but for many of us there is always a limit of how much shit u can take. For me its over after the 2v2, I started the first SF4 tournament to build people's confidence to keep them going, I've done my job tbh. Now I just want to play when I can and do what I like, building up my skill to another level.
I don't have the time to teach anyone nor patient...hehe. I'll waiting for your subonent? to give me some training Hue :)
Quote from: zosla on July 01, 2010, 09:01:09 AM
but for many of us there is always a limit of how much shit u can take
No kidding
Does playing over VGA eliminate all lag? Or does it just reduce the amount? ???
Wondering cause I have both a VGA and hdmi cable but use the hdmi as it gives me better picture
Quote from: iRONsoL on July 01, 2010, 09:18:26 AM
Does playing over VGA eliminate all lag? Or does it just reduce the amount? ???
Wondering cause I have both a VGA and hdmi cable but use the hdmi as it gives me better picture
It depends on the TV, but the
general consensus seems to be that TV manufacturers don't bother putting their "image enhancing technology" on the VGA port, as the most common use for them is shit like slide show presentations lol
If the picture is crappier over VGA, that's probably a good sign that it won't have
as much lag, but you can never truly know whether it is
lagless unless you do a lag test yourself, or find out whether someone has already done it for your particular TV model number
Quote from: iRONsoL on July 01, 2010, 09:18:26 AM
Does playing over VGA eliminate all lag? Or does it just reduce the amount? ???
Wondering cause I have both a VGA and hdmi cable but use the hdmi as it gives me better picture
Depends on the TV but usually VGA has less lag then HDMI. The majority of the lag comes from the post processing of the image sent from your console to the TV, and as far as I'm aware, HDMI has more processing than VGA. Some TV's won't process anything with the VGA input so you only have to deal with the lag of the TV changing the colour of the pixels. For the Asus monitors at Giga I think that it's between 2 and 8 ms? So that would be less than 1/8 to 1/2 a frame respectively.
Just some tips on using Samsungs:
Most of you probably already know this but renaming your channel Game mode, doesn't turn game mode on Samsungs. It's hidden away in the Entertainment mode settings. When you switch to game mode the colours should look more washed out and when you access the menu, most of the Picture and sound settings are greyed out and untweakable.
I know that using VGA on some TVs your TV treats the signal as a PC signal. So it cuts down on alot of the post processing. Also on some Samsungs using your HDMI2 port renaming the channel "PC" and using the Entertainment, Game Mode setting has really good results. That way your TV treats your HDMI port as as a PC Input as well, so kinda like using a vga.
The thing is that the consoles output has to match the TVs native output for the HDMI2 PC trick to work, otherwise the tv has to process the output image and upscale it creating lagg. How much lagg is the question and this entirely depends on how good your tv is. Xboxes on a 1080p setup are good cos the Xbox does all the upscaling processing for you, sending a 1080p signal to your tv. PS3s don't so of your screen is 1080p native. Your tv will have to do some processing to upscale the image to 1080p, regardless if game mode is on or not. If you have a 720p TV native (Marketed usually as HD Ready not Full HD) you might be sweet as :)
Oh and some more advice. PS2s and general non HD consoles look like shit and are laggy as hell on HD setups. The upscaling on most HD sets look ugly as. And since a hell of alot of upscaling has to happen to get it to 1080p the lagg is crazy. Depends on the TV in regards to lagg though. I remember CVS2 on PS2 casuals at giga after a mashup or tourney once. That shit was crazy. Emulators through VGA input on HD tvs seem pretty good.
Woah power rant ;)
Quote from: CptMunta on July 01, 2010, 10:17:28 AM
Oh and some more advice. PS2s and general non HD consoles look like shit and are laggy as hell on HD setups. The upscaling on most HD sets look ugly as. And since a hell of alot of upscaling has to happen to get it to 1080p the lagg is crazy. Depends on the TV in regards to lagg though. I remember CVS2 on PS2 casuals at giga after a mashup or tourney once. That shit was crazy. Emulators through VGA input on HD tvs seem pretty good.
Does using an S Video cable decrease lag? Because I have an s Video cable for my PS2 which makes the picture look bearable but I remember when I was playing Ghouls and Ghosts I died more than usual.
There are no absolutes. It all depends on how the individual TV deals with various inputs.
Some game modes aren't as good as other game modes, also.
The only way to know is to test it all out.
I have a LCD HD TV with AV inputs, would this cause any lag? or is it the same issue...
how to test for a laggy setup?
I usually run my PS3 on a non HD plasma with component cable OR a 22" LG LCD 5ms response time PC screen with HDMI->DVI. It feels pretty lag less to me, but that could simply be a result of getting used to it.
Thanks for the Samsung tips Munta, going to the HDMI2 port trick a shot when I get back to Tauranga.
The true way to test is to have the same output going to both a CRT and the monitor you are testing. Run a stopwatch program that displays the time on the screen. Take a picture of both screens at the same time with a reasonably highspeed camera. Then you look at the two stopwatches in the picture and calculate the difference in times shown (this can be tricky due to blurring), this gives you the input delay on the non-crt monitor.
I will be running said test on my 24" LCD I intend to take to xlan this friday, soon as mason brings his DVI to HDMI cable we have everything we need for some true testing on it's HDMI port.
for instance:
wow , tats a 50ms delay
shit tats heaps...
Probably more like 80ms actually (you can see the 515 which it's presumably switching to) :/
Lol Rory are those the Giga TV's?
My terrible math says that's between 3-4 frames of lag, right ?
No wonder I did so well on that fucking shit TV lol
yup those are the Giga 42" Samsung TV's... sucky huh?
Also Hue!!! I will be your student!! Pick me!!! I will pay you in friendship and smiles!
Closer to 5!
Quote from: Skullator on July 01, 2010, 11:18:00 AM
Thanks for the Samsung tips Munta, going to the HDMI2 port trick a shot when I get back to Tauranga.
No worries bro :)
Just bear in mind bro that if it's PS3 your running the tv will still have to upscale. For instance, on my Samsung with HDMI trick SSF4 runs ok but laggs a little (since it's 720p) but HDR runs smooth as since it's 1080p. I haven't done any concrete testing. All these tips came from fubarducks tests on the AV forums.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on July 01, 2010, 10:25:14 AM
Does using an S Video cable decrease lag? Because I have an s Video cable for my PS2 which makes the picture look bearable but I remember when I was playing Ghouls and Ghosts I died more than usual.
Not sure bro. I'm imagining it'll be just the same as AV I guess with a nicer picture. Have you tried VGA cables on your DC on your TV. That should look pretty sweet. Though some newer TVs don't even support low res VGA.
Oh that's a good point - if you're going to run these tests it should be at the intended resolution and connections! i.e. if the game is on PS3 and only supports 720p then run the PC at 720p, since the upscaling is the most likely culprit of the input delay!
360 can upscale everything to 1080p however, so depends on the settings you have the 360 on for that.
If you intend to use HDMI then try HDMI, VGA then use VGA etc.
The camera we were using was shitty so I'd ignore the 515 bit, but remember that it was using my laptop not a CRT so probably add another 12 to 16 ms on top of 47 = around 4 frames.
4 frames is like, as bad as online.
Ye, yifan is really bad, especially the new flashy two, I actually have to think about "pre-input" when i'm trying to link ken's c.LK -> s.LP
Since 720p = 1280x720 and 1080p = 1920×1080, in other words if you hook it up to a LCD monitor no matter the brand which support these resolution native, that would mean no up-scaling required and thus nearly lag free?
For instance I know the LCD screen on my laptop supports 1280x720 and I got S-video input, so that's worth a try?
played some tekken on the giga tv's with some mates last night, we're all complete scrubs with no knowledge of frame delay and such (apart from me, im just a scrub who knows a little about it by reading posts here lol) and was quite surprised when they were complaining that the controllers felt laggy/were possibly faulty and they were dropping combos.
PS3 is da worst =_=;; Nobody I know can play Tekken on PS3 on giga tvs
Quote from: cha on July 01, 2010, 04:31:30 PM
Since 720p = 1280x720 and 1080p = 1920×1080, in other words if you hook it up to a LCD monitor no matter the brand which support these resolution native, that would mean no up-scaling required and thus nearly lag free?
Unfortunately not - while upscaling is usually the culprit for input delay, any form of image processing can introduce delay. And computer monitors still have image processing :/
For instance some of the Dell monitors have upwards of 50ms input delay, although they are more catered towards colour reproduction for graphic designers.
If you tell me the brand and model number of your panel I can probably have a hunt to see if there's any info about it, but no manufacturer reports input delay so it's entirely up to people doing the stopwatch tests to report results :/
Can anyone check VW24H assus :)
If you mean the VW246H, it's the same monitor as the VK246H just without the webcam.
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2009/review-asus-vk246h-part12.html#Lag
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Of 100 pictures, about 95 percent demonstrated no input lag. The remainder demonstrated an input lag of about two frames (~33 ms). This gives rise to an average input lag of 1,65 ms, which is an outstanding value, even for a TN panel. Despite this, however, there is still the 5 percent chance of a two-frame lag.
oic, yeah well thats what I use at home with my ps3 ><
guess it aint that bad after all :)
They don't mention which resolution the input is at, since you're playing on ps3 it STILL could be the case that it has a poor upscaler from 720p that introduces input delay. You could probably test that if the monitor has some kind of 1:1 pixel aspect option (i.e. the 720p video would NOT stretch to fill up the entire monitor - you'd have black bars top/bottom and sides).
Hey Alan can you chek out this monitor for me?
Asus H8O4M1O
what abt Acer S243HL?
I'm no mystical guru of input delay, all I do is a google search :P
Quote from: fluxcore on July 02, 2010, 12:08:07 PM
I'm no mystical guru of input delay, all I do is a google search :P
No seriously... I think you want to check out the H8O4M1O model... I have a feeling you'll like it heaps Alan...
Tee hee....
Pretty sure thats the model Richard uses at home.
im pretty sure he uses the ASUS U1M0E2H9A7L3A