Lol, so low tiers then......
will there be many guile users at the upcoming sf4 tourny hmmmm?
wat about claw?
I'll play SF4 for the first time ever and play Sakura!
But your characters wont be unlocked... You'll have to play Ryu
I refuse to be apart of the Ryu family! :<
"Whats for dinner?", "WAKE UP SHORYUKEN."
You gotta be for one play through arcade mode man =(
To unlock Sakura? Or just period? D:
Just to unlock Sak. Then you can leave that family and slap the Ryu father
Ill be playing El Fuerte Dave.
Finally scraped a win against andy's Ryu today. Although i think he was going easy. :P At least im improving. Being able to RSF makes a big difference. Strangely enough, i can do it on the mung side of the machine. >_>
I might pull sagat out if im getting reamed though.
Ahh, Smoofling Birry Wong
I'm not going to be in a situation where I have enough constant available competition to be truly focussed on 'only winning', so until then I'll pick chars which either fit my playstyle, or at least allow me some kind of 'fun'. Strangely the chars which frustrate me a lot with shitty moves and commands (Viper, Seth) seem to be the ones I gravitate towards.
hehe Good win Bill today, yes your furte is getting better I would say!!! but still not enought^^ lots fo stuff you need to focus on as you realise on teh second game how I went 80% to play you where as before i would prolly use 40-50% strenght. so you improved heaps :)
ouch dude
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 30, 2009, 05:50:29 PM
Ill be playing El Fuerte Dave.
Finally scraped a win against andy's Ryu today. Although i think he was going easy. :P At least im improving. Being able to RSF makes a big difference. Strangely enough, i can do it on the mung side of the machine. >_>
I might pull sagat out if im getting reamed though.
what are your setups for rsf dude? I do the regular, run fake focus stuff. Also started using EX run to blow through pokes into it. Another setup I have now is ono thier wake up, walk right next to them and do forward guacamole. Youll land on the other side and staart RSF.
Im finding more and more that I use it less and less. Ive also noticed that except in very tight circumstances Im only using 2 to 3 feirces, as it is difficult to get them to the point where I can do 4 or 5.
Im learning to be alot more patient with him too. Playing him a bit more like rolento I guess... hit and run, as opposed to rushing down.
lenny I DEMAND a rematch!
I'm a low tier warrior with Abel
He's so crap it makes me sad :( I just can't bring myself to play anyone else because he's a big ass french menace
FRENCH!
Quote from: electric on June 30, 2009, 08:07:43 PM
I'm a low tier warrior with Abel
He's so crap it makes me sad :( I just can't bring myself to play anyone else because he's a big ass french menace
FRENCH!
Id hardly call him crap bro. I really like abel... just i cant use him well.
Where is he in the tier list?
Quote from: fluxcore on June 30, 2009, 07:34:17 PM
lenny I DEMAND a rematch!
I DEMAND a rematch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 30, 2009, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: electric on June 30, 2009, 08:07:43 PM
I'm a low tier warrior with Abel
He's so crap it makes me sad :( I just can't bring myself to play anyone else because he's a big ass french menace
FRENCH!
Id hardly call him crap bro. I really like abel... just i cant use him well.
Where is he in the tier list?
Damn near the bottom
He really is crap... All his normals are slow, his EX moves are nothing to write home about, his mixup game is pretty limited... the only real thing he has going for him is a damaging Ultra
I really like him too, hence why I've stuck with him since day one, but he's really a mixed bag... If you read the Abel forums at SRK you'll see how emo most of the Abels really are lol
Quote from: electric on June 30, 2009, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 30, 2009, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: electric on June 30, 2009, 08:07:43 PM
I'm a low tier warrior with Abel
He's so crap it makes me sad :( I just can't bring myself to play anyone else because he's a big ass french menace
FRENCH!
Id hardly call him crap bro. I really like abel... just i cant use him well.
Where is he in the tier list?
Damn near the bottom
He really is crap... All his normals are slow, his EX moves are nothing to write home about, his mixup game is pretty limited... the only real thing he has going for him is a damaging Ultra
I really like him too, hence why I've stuck with him since day one, but he's really a mixed bag... If you read the Abel forums at SRK you'll see how emo most of the Abels really are lol
I guess so. But you can read every forum, and every character discussion is emo, that isnt concerning the top 5. Didn't realise he was so low.
Im not sure that I agree about the mixup though. He has loads to mixup from I reckon.
Youre still ver good with him though. Looking forward to seeing how you go in the tourney tbh.
Honda for this next tourney >:(!
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 30, 2009, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 30, 2009, 05:50:29 PM
Ill be playing El Fuerte Dave.
Finally scraped a win against andy's Ryu today. Although i think he was going easy. :P At least im improving. Being able to RSF makes a big difference. Strangely enough, i can do it on the mung side of the machine. >_>
I might pull sagat out if im getting reamed though.
what are your setups for rsf dude? I do the regular, run fake focus stuff. Also started using EX run to blow through pokes into it. Another setup I have now is ono thier wake up, walk right next to them and do forward guacamole. Youll land on the other side and staart RSF.
Im finding more and more that I use it less and less. Ive also noticed that except in very tight circumstances Im only using 2 to 3 feirces, as it is difficult to get them to the point where I can do 4 or 5.
Im learning to be alot more patient with him too. Playing him a bit more like rolento I guess... hit and run, as opposed to rushing down.
That guac setup sounds interesting. Something i can play with. I mostly try to use it to punish shit at the moment, and i think thats best where its used. I find after a tortilla is the perfect opportunity to charge a lvl3 focus. If you dash and then start charging, the focus will hit the as theyre getting up Its hardly safe, but surprisingly useful.
And yea, the first 3 are the easiest to connect, and i generally end up sliding after the 3rd, but ill go for more if im relatively sure im going to hit with them. I can sit there in training mode and land 5-6 pretty consistently on most characters. 8 is my record. The ninth eludes me at this point. But training mode and an actual match are completely different situations. Sadly, because im terrible at the basics, i lose maybe 75% of my (decent) matches.
Its a shame he doesnt have any other real damage options either. If they upped his other damage a bit it would push him well up the tier list, and he wouldnt be broken. He loses to the fundamentals, and i can work my ass off, and do maybe half of what the rest of the cast can do in a standard combo off of a jump in or a c.mk poke. I just like him because when i DO win, it feels much more satisfying than with other characters. Fuck hes crap, but fuck hes fun at the same time.
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 30, 2009, 08:55:41 PM
I guess so. But you can read every forum, and every character discussion is emo, that isnt concerning the top 5. Didn't realise he was so low.
Yeah true... I guess anyone who's sole strategy is based on guessing is always going to be a bit flaky...
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 30, 2009, 08:55:41 PM
Im not sure that I agree about the mixup though. He has loads to mixup from I reckon.
Youre still ver good with him though. Looking forward to seeing how you go in the tourney tbh.
I think he tends to play well in shorter amounts of time... If you know the Abel match well, then theres not really a lot you can do that isn't really unsafe on block or a gamble... backdash and neutral jump is basically the game plan to destroy Abel lol...
Abel low whaaaaa??!!!!
Abel's solid as, solid mid tier I reckon. Did you not watch the last major US tourney?
Abel plays really differently than the traditional SF characters, but so does Rufus, Viper and Fuerte. His mind games are crazy. Also crossup MK Cr HP Ultra. ??? I dunno, maybe you feel like your bottlenecking with him and are running out of options, I get like that with Rose sometimes. You know Abel better than me (I might sound like I'm talking out of my ass) but compared to other characters I think Abel is pretty capable.
The only people that should be whinging should be fuerte, Guile and Rose players ;) But we really need to suck it up too. As I said in a previous thread:
I'm not for that whole "all the characters are good, there are no tiers" all the characters are capable some are just alot more capable than others.
I think it's easy to suffer from tier envy when you see your character listed at the bottom. Sigh when you beat a Sagat scrub and then see the cursor race to Zangief. The bonus is less people know your characters match ups, the mind games and what's in your bag of tricks.
Low tier fury!
Yeah, I don't buy in too much to the whole tier thing, but some of the matchups are just plain old mean
Zangief vs. Abel is a pain in the ass... Tier lists have it as 7-3 and I couldn't agree more... hell -- I'd even say it was 8-2... I think the only matches that Abel goes even or better against are the some of the low stamina characters and that's about it.
I think Abel is only really "seen" as solid because he's quite niche... Watch any of the Shiro/AC Revenger/Kenpippi videos on YouTube (3 best Abels in Japan) and you'll see how hard they have to work to earn their wins... Also, crossup mk, cr.fp only hits on some characters some of the time
Maybe I'm just complaining because I can't seem to work any of his pokes very well into my game... the fact that his fastest low/mid hitting move is 5 frames hurts too... being poked out of everything is a bitch :(
I agree that he's all about the mind games though... Mind games + 270 damage without ex as a punisher are really great tools... But I'd definitely say he's far from solid
Quote from: electric on June 30, 2009, 10:26:42 PM
Yeah, I don't buy in too much to the whole tier thing, but some of the matchups are just plain old mean
Zangief vs. Abel is a pain in the ass... Tier lists have it as 7-3 and I couldn't agree more... hell -- I'd even say it was 8-2... I think the only matches that Abel goes even or better against are the some of the low stamina characters and that's about it.
I think Abel is only really "seen" as solid because he's quite niche... Watch any of the Shiro/AC Revenger/Kenpippi videos on YouTube (3 best Abels in Japan) and you'll see how hard they have to work to earn their wins... Also, crossup mk, cr.fp only hits on some characters some of the time
Maybe I'm just complaining because I can't seem to work any of his pokes very well into my game... the fact that his fastest low/mid hitting move is 5 frames hurts too... being poked out of everything is a bitch :(
I agree that he's all about the mind games though... Mind games + 270 damage without ex as a punisher are really great tools... But I'd definitely say he's far from solid
That's weird Rose vs Gief is not too bad for me, but it takes AGES.
Maybe it's an intermediate level thing, ??? A good Abel owns your average shoto and Sagat but once the skill gap closes it's harder to get in, outpoke and outpunish.
But isn't fun making people make mistakes, or people thinking they are safe till you get in? Someone thinking they've gonna kill you with a chip damage FB only you're
just close enough to Ultra through it? Or coming back from nothing with some random ass shit?
We should get some games in ;D
lol...
Maybe try playing Simonfish Abel and then think about what you guys say... seriously its NOT the characters problem, its you.
tier or not the character is only as efftive as its player control.
I know I'm not exactly the most solid player around, but it's not just me
Guys like BustaBust and HAV are well aware of Abels shortcomings. These are probably the two most consistent Abel's in the States right now, short of Justin Wong (Who TBH, would probably rape anyone free with any character)
Being zoned out all day is no fun for any character, but when you're playing a rush down character like Abel and you don't have ANY tools to play any other way, it does start to hurt. Like I said earlier, maybe it's just me over-reacting a little, and he really isn't that bad, but getting in is a huge problem against most characters, much like the Rufus/Ryu fight
I wont comment on ur comparision btw us and the other players around the globe but I can tell that experience comes into play with a lot of ur questions and as mentioned b4 it comes to the player themselves, char may make it easier in some situations but u are the most important factor.
Quote from: zosla on July 01, 2009, 01:13:24 PM
I wont comment on ur comparision btw us and the other players around the globe but I can tell that experience comes into play with a lot of ur questions and as mentioned b4 it comes to the player themselves, char may make it easier in some situations but u are the most important factor.
Yes, experience is the biggest factor, but strength of the character plays a MUCH bigger part than you seem to be getting at. You play ryu and gief (who are both high tier. 2nd and 3rd best iirc) and chun, who is mid/high. Once you get the game at home, and you start using lower tier characters, I guarantee your opinion on this will change. It is MUCH harder to win with lower tier stuff, and you're kidding yourself if you think it isn't.
What I don't like, is people picking a low tier character and then using it as an excuse "Oh, it's because I'm using a low tier character". Maybe the matchup was hard but I hate it when people use shit like "It's cause you're playing x character, that's cheap." or "At least I can play more than one character". I'm glad all of our low tier heroes will say "I just need to work out ways to get around this" rather than "Fuck x character/player entirely"
I totally don't agree with you Bill, low tier/high tier wth.
its the player not the char, get it right.
Quote from: zosla on July 01, 2009, 03:26:40 PM
I totally don't agree with you Bill, low tier/high tier wth.
its the player not the char, get it right.
If this is true then wouldn't the winning ratios all be even across the board?
Quote from: zosla on July 01, 2009, 03:26:40 PM
I totally don't agree with you Bill, low tier/high tier wth.
its the player not the char, get it right.
And wouldn't Seth vs. Zangief be a 50/50 match ?
Quote from: zosla on July 01, 2009, 03:26:40 PM
I totally don't agree with you Bill, low tier/high tier wth.
its the player not the char, get it right.
ABSOLUTE TOSH
What a load of bunkim Andy, tiers exist in every SF game; and while SFIV has the lowest descrepancy between the highest and lowest tiered characters, such a list still exists, it has nothing to do with players at all.
I think the last time I checked (Whan claw was ranked bottom) the SFIV ratings the difference between Claw and Sagat was about 30pts, that's like the difference between Chun (Top) and Ryu(Mid) on 3S, nothing like SSF2T where the difference is like 80pts. So, while the difference between the characters isn't as vast (no 8-2 matches AT ALL) there's still a ranking between them.
Will: Total agree with your post brother, you earned a free drink at the tourney for that one.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on July 01, 2009, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: zosla on July 01, 2009, 03:26:40 PM
I totally don't agree with you Bill, low tier/high tier wth.
its the player not the char, get it right.
If this is true then wouldn't the winning ratios all be even across the board?
No, they wouldn't. Some players are just better players.
Andy, you can't deny that most characters fall short in some areas and are weaker in some areas than others. I don't think any of us are saying that it's impossible for a character to win certain matchups but you cannot deny that some characters would just have to work harder vs others because one can capitalise on another's weak point(s)
New tierlist just out!!!!
Top= Gen!!
Bottom= Everyone Else!!
HAHAHAH!! But seriously....
Hers the 411 on tiers!
If you like winning heaps at no cost! You pick from the top!
If you like playing a character cause of thier look/style/combos/etc pick whoever. If they happen to be low tier, then sucks to be you.
If you like picking low tier cause you want an excuse for your losing. Pick a better character and learn fundamentals, then pick whomever you like.
The reality is that there are tiers in all fighting games. If you believe that there is no difference, you are plain wrong. To be honest, I think all this crap about SFIV being the most balance is a load of crap. I personally think that as the game has evolved more and more, and we are learning more and more, that the gap in the tierlist is becoming larger and larger between the top and bottom. I think that asthe game evolves and the tierlist changes, we will see this more and more over time.
This is why we give mad props to guys that are good with the lower tiers. Cause its harder for them to win. It is also why we are constantly seeing the same characters winning tournamentts the world over. You cant deny it cause its true, I can point you to hundreds of tourney results that prove this.
One last thing Id like to say however, is that the true low-tier warriors (ie, the guys that use low tier and actually win a fair bit) never use the characters "rank" as an excuse for the win, and in most cases truely believe their character to be misrepresented in the tierlist.
Anyone who knows smash (melee), knows that Marth was low tier for so long. Then Ken (World number 1) picked him up and discovered so much with him. All these special techniques and pretty much a new way to use him. After a few years he is not 2nd top tier with Fox by less than 0.1 (out of 10).
Quote from: Smoofikith on July 01, 2009, 02:52:01 PM
What I don't like, is people picking a low tier character and then using it as an excuse "Oh, it's because I'm using a low tier character". Maybe the matchup was hard but I hate it when people use shit like "It's cause you're playing x character, that's cheap." or "At least I can play more than one character". I'm glad all of our low tier heroes will say "I just need to work out ways to get around this" rather than "Fuck x character/player entirely"
Fuck Sagat he's cheap hahahhahahahhahaha
SONIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 01, 2009, 04:49:15 PM
This is why we give mad props to guys that are good with the lower tiers. Cause its harder for them to win. It is also why we are constantly seeing the same characters winning tournamentts the world over. You cant deny it cause its true, I can point you to hundreds of tourney results that prove this.
Quoted for Truth man.
seriously all I got say is /care about tiers.
Use what you like, if you lose its your problem lol coz you are putting your $2 on the line, assuming your at yifan.
I not as into this tier character pick crap, all I know is the character I like using would be teh character I'll try to use on anyone who wants a challenge. High tier low tier to me is a load of crap. I'm a straight forward person who only think of the game = win or lose simple. If you lose then improve to win, if you win then improve even more/ experiment with new things.
If I had the time to look at scale diference btw dmg and what got how many frames over what, what can beat what all teh time then I might as well go do Maths.
Play and use ur experience to judge :)
Yeah and you just HAPPEN to be using a top tier char yeah? And muck around with another top tier char? :)
[/troll]
like I said, I don't care who is top tier or not. Just give me all you got :)
Just don't always use that tier crap as an excuse like most other here are.
its liek harden up!!!
Quote from: zosla on July 02, 2009, 09:54:29 AM
like I said, I don't care who is top tier or not. Just give me all you got :)
Just don't always use that tier crap as an excuse like most other here are.
its liek harden up!!!
Oh well, at least now you're not pretending tiers don't exist. Nice diversion of the point of discussion though! ;D
its called just go with whatever they say :) coz they are always right and ur never get past that barrier of crap.
Quote from: zosla on July 02, 2009, 09:54:29 AM
like I said, I don't care who is top tier or not. Just give me all you got :)
Just don't always use that tier crap as an excuse like most other here are.
its liek harden up!!!
I hate when people use low tier as an excuse as well. If you choose the low tier path, then that is your option imo.
Dont hate the character... Hate the game playa! lols
Its nice that we are seeing our community picking up different characters though and not whoring the tops. We almost have a person in our community that mains everyone at this point.. just need a good cammy i spose. Maybe Dan?
I just read the new tierlist on SRK today... They put Gen and Dan at the very very bottom. THats so bullshit, Gens Top-mid imo. Up there with Viper and Rog, but not quite Sagat/Ryu/Gief.
Definitely wouldn't put Gen at bottom. He has a lot of tools and shit he can use and some DAMAGER combos. I think it's just that most people wouldn't take the time to learn him, especially in Japan due to the arcade dominated scene
Quote from: Smoofikith on July 02, 2009, 11:30:44 AM
Definitely wouldn't put Gen at bottom. He has a lot of tools and shit he can use and some DAMAGER combos. I think it's just that most people wouldn't take the time to learn him, especially in Japan due to the arcade dominated scene
Yeah I think its just cos the japs just play arcade where gen isint in it , otherwise hed be higher .
Gen is the Damager
YOU CANNOT DODGE WHAT YOU CANNOT SEE! huah huah huahuah AHOOOYIA
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 02, 2009, 11:25:42 AM
Maybe Dan?
just wait ;D
also, gen is quite the damager, i was watching the matches at rvb from the tournament lately and the super to ultra buzz he's got is pretty dope, altho quite damage scaled how many other characters can link their super into ultras actually im just wondering...
Quote from: ADism on July 02, 2009, 11:45:48 AM
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 02, 2009, 11:25:42 AM
Maybe Dan?
just wait ;D
also, gen is quite the damager, i was watching the matches at rvb from the tournament lately and the super to ultra buzz he's got is pretty dope, altho quite damage scaled how many other characters can link their super into ultras actually im just wondering...
Guile can. Ken can n the corner. Ryu Can.
Gens crossup forward, standing forward, HP HHS, standing Forward, Super, FUll Ultra is 615 hit confirmable damage.
Just when u see lenny have both gauges charged up.
U KNOW he will do that cross up blah into super then ultra :)
its like LET me get u with it and i'll lose the game if I have to!! lolol.
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 02, 2009, 11:48:37 AM
Quote from: ADism on July 02, 2009, 11:45:48 AM
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 02, 2009, 11:25:42 AM
Maybe Dan?
just wait ;D
also, gen is quite the damager, i was watching the matches at rvb from the tournament lately and the super to ultra buzz he's got is pretty dope, altho quite damage scaled how many other characters can link their super into ultras actually im just wondering...
Guile can. Ken can n the corner. Ryu Can.
Gens crossup forward, standing forward, HP HHS, standing Forward, Super, FUll Ultra is 615 hit confirmable damage.
sweet....aww yeah i knew about guiles, even tho its pretty shit....damage and looks wise i reckon....
but yes low tiers wooo, and also i didnt mean just sf4 tiers, i just ment low tiers in general.
GO GO GWHEEL
IRON TAGERRRRRRR
Quote from: zosla on July 02, 2009, 12:18:44 PM
Just when u see lenny have both gauges charged up.
U KNOW he will do that cross up blah into super then ultra :)
its like LET me get u with it and i'll lose the game if I have to!! lolol.
Lol yeah. Im not as bad anymore. I have other tricks to land it now hahahaha.
Quote from: zosla on July 02, 2009, 09:54:29 AM
like I said, I don't care who is top tier or not. Just give me all you got :)
Just don't always use that tier crap as an excuse like most other here are.
its liek harden up!!!
I assume this is mostly directed at me.
Im not using them as an excuse. I never have. I like El Fuerte. Yes hes low tier, this DOESNT MATTER to me. If it did, i probably wouldnt use him. It IS harder to win with low tier. This is fact. Im NOT using it as an excuse. Im just stating something. Im not going to come in here and say "I only lost because your character was better." That is pathetic and stupid.
NEWS FLASH: If i lose, i lose to a better player. I dont see anyone disagreeing. I was just trying to point out that contrary to what you seem to believe, TIERS DO EXIST. Whether you buy into it or not is irrelevant, however, If you dont, youre wrong. Period. You can disagree with them, or have your own opinion on them, fine. But they ARE THERE, and they are there FOR A REASON.
I have ALREADY agreed that the player is the biggest factor. I can direct quote it if you like. But saying shit like (Paraphrasing) "Tiers dont mean anything" is totally ignorant and wrong. This is not my opinion. This is fact. You can disagree with me all you like, that doesn't make you correct. There is NO ARGUMENT here.
The only time where you would have a point would be in a game where all the characters are EXACTLY THE SAME. And SF4 is NOT that game. I dont like being so irate about such a silly argument, but i dont like being spat on by misinformed bullshit.
Props to lenny for trying to keep the peace. Thats usually what i tend to be doing ironically. >_>
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 02, 2009, 01:23:36 PM
Props to lenny for trying to keep the peace. Thats usually what i tend to be doing ironically. >_>
FUCK PEACE!!! I WANNA SEE BLOOD MOTHERFUCKERS!
I still love the tiering explanation for why ken is better than ryu in world warror.
"His kick throw rolls the opponent further and therefore closer to the corner"
Quote from: fluxcore on July 02, 2009, 01:44:01 PM
I still love the tiering explanation for why ken is better than ryu in world warror.
"His kick throw rolls the opponent further and therefore closer to the corner"
OMG IM USING KEN NOW
Quote from: fluxcore on July 02, 2009, 01:44:01 PM
I still love the tiering explanation for why ken is better than ryu in world warror.
"His kick throw rolls the opponent further and therefore closer to the corner"
They obviously forgot to include the bit that ryu is gay and ken is 0L33T
BWahahahahhahahhahhaa
Quote from: B1ackstar Ninja on July 02, 2009, 01:48:00 PM
Quote from: fluxcore on July 02, 2009, 01:44:01 PM
I still love the tiering explanation for why ken is better than ryu in world warror.
"His kick throw rolls the opponent further and therefore closer to the corner"
They obviously forgot to include the bit that ryu is gay and ken is 0L33T
BWahahahahhahahhahhaa
*01337
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 02, 2009, 01:23:36 PM
Quote from: zosla on July 02, 2009, 09:54:29 AM
like I said, I don't care who is top tier or not. Just give me all you got :)
Just don't always use that tier crap as an excuse like most other here are.
its liek harden up!!!
I assume this is mostly directed at me.
Im not using them as an excuse. I never have. I like El Fuerte. Yes hes low tier, this DOESNT MATTER to me. If it did, i probably wouldnt use him. It IS harder to win with low tier. This is fact. Im NOT using it as an excuse. Im just stating something. Im not going to come in here and say "I only lost because your character was better." That is pathetic and stupid.
NEWS FLASH: If i lose, i lose to a better player. I dont see anyone disagreeing. I was just trying to point out that contrary to what you seem to believe, TIERS DO EXIST. Whether you buy into it or not is irrelevant, however, If you dont, youre wrong. Period. You can disagree with them, or have your own opinion on them, fine. But they ARE THERE, and they are there FOR A REASON.
I have ALREADY agreed that the player is the biggest factor. I can direct quote it if you like. But saying shit like (Paraphrasing) "Tiers dont mean anything" is totally ignorant and wrong. This is not my opinion. This is fact. You can disagree with me all you like, that doesn't make you correct. There is NO ARGUMENT here.
The only time where you would have a point would be in a game where all the characters are EXACTLY THE SAME. And SF4 is NOT that game. I dont like being so irate about such a silly argument, but i dont like being spat on by misinformed bullshit.
Props to lenny for trying to keep the peace. Thats usually what i tend to be doing ironically. >_>
He's got you there Andy.
any favourite low tiers from anyother games?
just wondering.....
go go sf4 guile lol
Quote from: ADism on July 06, 2009, 01:24:02 PM
any favourite low tiers from anyother games?
just wondering.....
go go sf4 guile lol
I dunno. I hate Dan players. Worse than that, I hate people that play Dan and are shit with him.
Low tier characters are generally prety boring and shit to play with. There are few exceptions of course.
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 06, 2009, 02:05:52 PM
I dunno. I hate Dan players. Worse than that, I hate people that play Dan and are shit with him.
I hate this too. Dan players are alrite if they actually think they can win....but yeah.
lol yeah well i was hoping someone would show us those few exceptions....LENNY :P
I myself am not really a low tier person, but i do like a few low tier characters.
Sean, Remy and Q from 3s are alright. Quite alot from MVC2......
most other games i whore out the top or near top tiers
But after awhile low tiers do get boring...
I think it depends on why the characters are low tier. Like a lot of the low tiers in Marvel aren't shit, they're just low tier cause other characters win more whereas some low tier characters just don't bring anything to the table... if you know what I mean.
Quote from: Smoofikith on July 06, 2009, 02:29:11 PM
I think it depends on why the characters are low tier. Like a lot of the low tiers in Marvel aren't shit, they're just low tier cause other characters win more whereas some low tier characters just don't bring anything to the table... if you know what I mean.
yeah, most of them are pretty decent but their abilities are quite limited.
any low tiers in blazblue?
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 06, 2009, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: ADism on July 06, 2009, 01:24:02 PM
any favourite low tiers from anyother games?
just wondering.....
go go sf4 guile lol
I dunno. I hate Dan players. Worse than that, I hate people that play Dan and are shit with him.
Low tier characters are generally pretty boring and shit to play with. There are few exceptions of course.
Yeah this pisses me off a bit too.
It's like why even bother. Own me first then choose Dan out of pity. I always start with Rose, if I lose stay Rose and learn, if I win easily then I move onto my other characters, if I keep winning Random select.
It's like they choose Dan right out of the gates to own you and end up getting owned, then Choose their main to show you they aren't fuckin' around. only their main sucks too. Then they try and SF Laugh smiley it off inbetween matches. Hopefully they are cry smiley by the end of their schooling.
Quote from: ADism on July 06, 2009, 02:35:00 PM
Quote from: Smoofikith on July 06, 2009, 02:29:11 PM
I think it depends on why the characters are low tier. Like a lot of the low tiers in Marvel aren't shit, they're just low tier cause other characters win more whereas some low tier characters just don't bring anything to the table... if you know what I mean.
yeah, most of them are pretty decent but their abilities are quite limited.
any low tiers in blazblue?
Carl is low tier in Blazblue iirc.
And ive taken to using dan im MVC2 quite a lot now. I found out that his lk.dankukyaku auto corrects and crosses up if you land a j.lk properly, which is quite fun.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 06, 2009, 02:48:41 PM
Quote from: ADism on July 06, 2009, 02:35:00 PM
Quote from: Smoofikith on July 06, 2009, 02:29:11 PM
I think it depends on why the characters are low tier. Like a lot of the low tiers in Marvel aren't shit, they're just low tier cause other characters win more whereas some low tier characters just don't bring anything to the table... if you know what I mean.
yeah, most of them are pretty decent but their abilities are quite limited.
any low tiers in blazblue?
Carl is low tier in Blazblue iirc.
And ive taken to using dan im MVC2 quite a lot now. I found out that his lk.dankukyaku auto corrects and crosses up if you land a j.lk properly, which is quite fun.
Carl is mid tier cause of "Clap loops"
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 06, 2009, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 06, 2009, 02:48:41 PM
Quote from: ADism on July 06, 2009, 02:35:00 PM
Quote from: Smoofikith on July 06, 2009, 02:29:11 PM
I think it depends on why the characters are low tier. Like a lot of the low tiers in Marvel aren't shit, they're just low tier cause other characters win more whereas some low tier characters just don't bring anything to the table... if you know what I mean.
yeah, most of them are pretty decent but their abilities are quite limited.
any low tiers in blazblue?
Carl is low tier in Blazblue iirc.
And ive taken to using dan im MVC2 quite a lot now. I found out that his lk.dankukyaku auto corrects and crosses up if you land a j.lk properly, which is quite fun.
Carl is mid tier cause of "Clap loops"
ooooo clap loops.....anything to with the clap?
Yeah, his doll is his older sister... You can work out the rest. This is why female characters are harder to get in the clap loop
i use dan fuck you haters :P
Quote from: kingpiccolo on July 06, 2009, 03:21:36 PM
i use dan fuck you haters :P
Yeah the problem with you though, is youfundamentals are so good, when you use dan you rape with him.... and then everyone stops playing your game.
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 06, 2009, 03:26:54 PM
Quote from: kingpiccolo on July 06, 2009, 03:21:36 PM
i use dan fuck you haters :P
Yeah the problem with you though, is you fundamentals are so good, when you use dan you rape with him.... and then everyone stops playing your game.
yeah i think low tiers, backed by a player with hella good skillz like mr piccolo are mean gangsta fun to watch, like shooting at things fun....
My only experience with SF4 dan is whoring his s.mk and somehow beating out everything.
LOL yeah, I've only ever played scrubby dans online, with one dude being an exception... Kicked my ass all day long for free :(
I really liked 3S Remy just because he was the "Guile" of Third Strike... Was never any good at that game though...
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 06, 2009, 03:26:54 PM
Quote from: kingpiccolo on July 06, 2009, 03:21:36 PM
i use dan fuck you haters :P
Yeah the problem with you though, is youfundamentals are so good, when you use dan you rape with him.... and then everyone stops playing your game.
I should have been more clearer.
If you're good with him jump right in. If he's just your flowchart ken lite with NutraSweet don't bother.
lol nah i jus use dan to be annoying its fuckin crack up smokling dudes jus by zonin them all day i do feel like a cheap bastard when i do it some times though but in saying that ive been smashed by dudes that use sagat lol too much damage.
Hugo was supposed to be low tier in 3S. But it didn't feel like he was.
Random tangent directed at lenny:
Back to our RSF setup discussion. Corpse hop f.mk -> RSF. Im amazed that i never thought to use that before just now. Thats preschool shit that i totally didnt think about. Though admittedly, it looks like it runs the risk of eating an auto-corrected DP.
Tangent over
Quote from: CrazyMobius on July 07, 2009, 07:56:33 AM
Hugo was supposed to be low tier in 3S. But it didn't feel like he was.
Parry -> 75% damage will do that >_>
And id love to use dan in SF4. Sadly the "Flowchart Ken lite with Nutrasweet" would probably apply to me. Fuck me and my terrible fundamentals >_>
Fuck the fundamentals -- who needs 'em anyway hahah :P
But yeah, I feel you... I've picked up Akuma on the side so I can at least try better my spacing and fundamentals game. Plus, he's actually really fun to use with his 400+ damage NO METER combos
Quote from: electric on July 07, 2009, 10:25:52 AMI've picked up Akuma on the side so I can at least try better my spacing and fundamentals game.
That's part of the reason I picked up Sakura and Bison, to get a bit of variety and work on different situations.
Quote from: electric on July 07, 2009, 10:25:52 AM
Fuck the fundamentals -- who needs 'em anyway hahah :P
But yeah, I feel you... I've picked up Akuma on the side so I can at least try better my spacing and fundamentals game. Plus, he's actually really fun to use with his 400+ damage NO METER combos
I was pulling out Ken for a while for the same purpose (minus the 400 damage no meter combos) Im only just starting to incorporate what i learned there into my El Fuerte game. But my bad habits just dont seem to be dying.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 07, 2009, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: electric on July 07, 2009, 10:25:52 AM
Fuck the fundamentals -- who needs 'em anyway hahah :P
But yeah, I feel you... I've picked up Akuma on the side so I can at least try better my spacing and fundamentals game. Plus, he's actually really fun to use with his 400+ damage NO METER combos
I was pulling out Ken for a while for the same purpose (minus the 400 damage no meter combos) Im only just starting to incorporate what i learned there into my El Fuerte game. But my bad habits just dont seem to be dying.
keep playing ken laaaaa
just wondering who you guys back your low tiers up with ala top tiers?
if any.....just curious
also do you guys main your low tiers or just use them as 2nd choice or whatever?
In SF4, you know i main Fuerte. I was thinking about picking up Sagat/Ryu for the bad matchups, which is a good plan, but i just didn't in the end. I would personally like to learn the hard matchups and work like a motherfucker for the wins, because i find it that much more satisfying.
Its a good idea to cover your weaknesses i reckon. Particularly if there are matches that are horribly out of favour for you. But i dunno. Its fun being the underdog.
Quote from: ADism on July 09, 2009, 03:17:52 PM
just wondering who you guys back your low tiers up with ala top tiers?
if any.....just curious
also do you guys main your low tiers or just use them as 2nd choice or whatever?
Well. I disagree that Gen is low-tier. But according to the lists he is.
I back my Gen against any other character. I think Ive learned him inside out. I nack my fuerte against anyone as well, although I dont expect to win as much with Fuerte.
Im not sure if Gouken is low tier. I dont think he is. I do pretty alright with him too. Back him against anyone as well.
I think Bill that you should pick up ryu or sagat, but now so much to use, but more to understand why they are so effective, and to keep your fundamentals up to scratch. Fuerte as a character is based mostly off gimmicks, and he will destroy your fundamentals if you dont keep them in practice with other characters. Try Gouken even if you are hell bent on not being a tier whore.
uhhhhhhhhhhhh i dont think i have a main if i do its ryu/ken/fei/geif but i jus jus play low tiers to see if i can win on fundamentals alone usually, soemtimes it works sometimes it doesnt.
Quote from: ADism on July 09, 2009, 03:17:52 PM
just wondering who you guys back your low tiers up with ala top tiers?
if any.....just curious
also do you guys main your low tiers or just use them as 2nd choice or whatever?
At the moment kinda-sorta Bison on the backup, he reminds me of CVS2 Bison in which is hella fun.
It was gonna be Sim but my Sim skills are inconstant.
I wish it was Fei Long though. I've been mucking about with him lately and he's heaps of fun.
I was going to pick up Gen but he seems to have a much steeper learning curve in SF4.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 09, 2009, 03:26:19 PM
In SF4, you know i main Fuerte. I was thinking about picking up Sagat/Ryu for the bad matchups, which is a good plan, but i just didn't in the end. I would personally like to learn the hard matchups and work like a motherfucker for the wins, because i find it that much more satisfying.
Its a good idea to cover your weaknesses i reckon. Particularly if there are matches that are horribly out of favour for you. But i dunno. Its fun being the underdog.
I completely understand where you're coming from with this Will, I'd add a little advice if I may: Stick with Fuerte. Honestly, I used to have horrible match ups vs anyone when I started out with Viper and Claw, (Who at the time were on the bottom half of the lists) but in sticking with them, and understanding their matchups in particular, you can overcome an apparent disadvantage based on character selection.
I couldn't tell you how many people I play online who, upon seeing me select Viper, go straight for Gief or Honda/Blanka/Boxer. I had to learn the hard way but now I know those people had better be damned good on those characters and not just picking them to counter/expolit the match up with a few randoms specials. I've spent hours in training mode and playing people like that to specifically develop a counter counter match up, I think every character can be pushed beyond a bad-match up as there's weapons in each characters arsenal that we may overlook because they're not universally good against all characters. Prime example is Viper's close St.mk, which is awesome anti air vs shoto's right on top of you or square jumping in your face, also her very underrated c.hk which works as anti air in the Boxer match up with amazing results, then there's others Such as Claw's df.mk which, when done meaty on wake up, whiffs ANY reversal move bar DPs, it stops any throw attempt, honda's headbutt, rush punches etc, mosts moves that would normally give Claw fits on his limited wake up pressure tactics.
So, my advice would be stick with him, experiment with the moves you've got in your bad match ups, and look to see what people are trying to exploit against you, and develop some strats to bait people into spamming what you want them to so you can counter accordingly.
Quote from: hydrokinesis on July 09, 2009, 03:51:47 PM
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 09, 2009, 03:26:19 PM
In SF4, you know i main Fuerte. I was thinking about picking up Sagat/Ryu for the bad matchups, which is a good plan, but i just didn't in the end. I would personally like to learn the hard matchups and work like a motherfucker for the wins, because i find it that much more satisfying.
Its a good idea to cover your weaknesses i reckon. Particularly if there are matches that are horribly out of favour for you. But i dunno. Its fun being the underdog.
I completely understand where you're coming from with this Will, I'd add a little advice if I may: Stick with Fuerte. Honestly, I used to have horrible match ups vs anyone when I started out with Viper and Claw, (Who at the time were on the bottom half of the lists) but in sticking with them, and understanding their matchups in particular, you can overcome an apparent disadvantage based on character selection.
I couldn't tell you how many people I play online who, upon seeing me select Viper, go straight for Gief or Honda/Blanka/Boxer. I had to learn the hard way but now I know those people had better be damned good on those characters and not just picking them to counter/expolit the match up with a few randoms specials. I've spent hours in training mode and playing people like that to specifically develop a counter counter match up, I think every character can be pushed beyond a bad-match up as there's weapons in each characters arsenal that we may overlook because they're not universally good against all characters. Prime example is Viper's close St.mk, which is awesome anti air vs shoto's right on top of you or square jumping in your face, also her very underrated c.hk which works as anti air in the Boxer match up with amazing results, then there's others Such as Claw's df.mk which, when done meaty on wake up, whiffs ANY reversal move bar DPs, it stops any throw attempt, honda's headbutt, rush punches etc, mosts moves that would normally give Claw fits on his limited wake up pressure tactics.
So, my advice would be stick with him, experiment with the moves you've got in your bad match ups, and look to see what people are trying to exploit against you, and develop some strats to bait people into spamming what you want them to so you can counter accordingly.
Yea thats what ive found eh. Plus i dont have nearly as much fun with any of the other characters. And id rather be playing for fun than anything else. Admittedly Viper and Claw look interesting, if only because they dont play conventionally. I might dabble in those two after the tourney.
Both my mains Abel and Sakura are lower down on the tier chart but I refuse to give them up and like others say taking out Sagat/Boxer/Ryu/Gief with them is so satisfying.
I have picked up Dictator on the side though.
Quote from: geneterror on July 09, 2009, 05:21:05 PM
Both my mains Abel and Sakura are lower down on the tier chart but I refuse to give them up and like others say taking out Sagat/Boxer/Ryu/Gief with them is so satisfying.
I have picked up Dictator on the side though.
I hope youre gonna be reppin some sakura at the tourney. I haven't seen her played well yet.
I've picked Akuma up on the side of my Abel, but mostly because his rush down game is fun as hell, rather than because he's considered "top tier"
I've always been an "up the guts" sort of guy... even from back in the Quake 2 days, so the mobile/evasive characters seem more my style
I don't think I could ever play a zoning Sagat or Dhalsim just because I'm not the patient type, and my game definitely suffers because of it lol
I don't ever see myself dropping Abel though... the guy is just too much fun to use. Plus he's fucking French... FRENCH!
I could say heaps here, but I'm tired so I won't.
I believe what James says to a degree, if you are truly dedicated to a char you can overcome the bad matchups, but it's still hard work - and indeed, harder work than you could get away with, if using another char. Also, in some games the low tiers really can't do much at all, or have some matchups so bad it's really not worth trying.
As for me, I think Seth is actually the right char for me. I really don't have the time or the competition available to be able to learn a char like Viper enough to make up for the bad matches, so I was looking for another. My Boxer has turned to utter shite and I don't really find him very invigorating to play as.
I was actually almost considering maining Ryu just to make a point :P But fuck it, I find Seth really fun.
it seems that its not low tiers really its more
"i like that character and the tiers are just there oh well" kinda thing lol
thats cool, thats what i like about nz being so small, you'll have a few top tier users then alot of kiwi low tier-ers haha
i kinda see it as kiwi style kinda thing......D.I.Y buzz
like i love sagat (as non homo sounding as i can be) but guile is SO much MORE FUN to play with against people, altho sometimes frustrating
maybe they should take low tiers out and call them fun tiers lol
Quote from: ADism on July 09, 2009, 09:37:00 PM
maybe they should take low tiers out and call them fun tiers lol
Quote of the thread.
Quote from: fluxcore on July 09, 2009, 09:24:40 PM
I could say heaps here, but I'm tired so I won't.
I believe what James says to a degree, if you are truly dedicated to a char you can overcome the bad matchups, but it's still hard work - and indeed, harder work than you could get away with, if using another char. Also, in some games the low tiers really can't do much at all, or have some matchups so bad it's really not worth trying.
As for me, I think Seth is actually the right char for me. I really don't have the time or the competition available to be able to learn a char like Viper enough to make up for the bad matches, so I was looking for another. My Boxer has turned to utter shite and I don't really find him very invigorating to play as.
I was actually almost considering maining Ryu just to make a point :P But fuck it, I find Seth really fun.
Thats how i look at it too, and was ultimately why i abandoned my plans of learning Ryu/Sagat. I beat out a solid 50% of decent santhrax/MSP/scrub and the like using Anakaris/Storm/Sonson in marvel, (and if you play marvel, you know that for anakaris/storm/sonson, thats a GOOD number) so i know first hand how hard work inevitably pays off. Ill just have to get to that point with Fuerte. At least in SF4 i dont have to fight fucking sentinel.
And im gonna end on this too.
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 09, 2009, 10:24:53 PM
Quote from: ADism on July 09, 2009, 09:37:00 PM
maybe they should take low tiers out and call them fun tiers lol
Quote of the thread.
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 09, 2009, 10:24:53 PM
Quote from: ADism on July 09, 2009, 09:37:00 PM
maybe they should take low tiers out and call them fun tiers lol
Quote of the thread.
It WAS the quote of the thread.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 10, 2009, 12:34:24 AM
At least in SF4 i dont have to fight fucking sentinel.
New winner.
is it just me or is guile seeing alot of play lately......maybe its just me
lol claw anyone haha......
maybe we can have some low tier tourny kinda things maybe hmmmmm
also when you do pick a low tier whats the reason behind that?
character design? character move set?....just because?
In general I try to avoid them, I hate having to do lots of work in fighting games. When I do pick them it's because I find them fun, either because of design or fucking AWESOME LOOKING MOVES
THE DAMAGER
Quote from: fluxcore on July 13, 2009, 11:36:53 AM
In general I try to avoid them, I hate having to do lots of work in fighting games.
I've never really thought about this point before when picking a character lol....interesting.
I guess awesome looking moves do make up quite alot of choices for me.
.......gotta love the MVC2 THCs and DHCs ::) ::)
Anyone want to try my Cammy? :P
god she is fun :D and sexy looking, just like the blonde i am looking for!!!
back on topic.
For any game, if you don't put any effort in learning the char and matchups you won't get anywhere, this applies to anything in real life, you don't work hard enought, you dun get a promotion.
There are many ways of doing it and some people realise and learn faster than others because they got potentials others who don't have will have to work harder to get what they want.
Every person have their own thing for using the character they use and it doesnt matter what tier they are in, as long as u enjoy using that character and learning them from in to out. that is all it matters.
but if your the type to lose and blame tier/bad macthup then I would advise you something that won't make you feel that way if you lose or win or whatever.
Quote from: zosla on July 13, 2009, 12:41:25 PM
Anyone want to try my Cammy? :P
god she is fun :D and sexy looking, just like the blonde i am looking for!!!
back on topic.
For any game, if you don't put any effort in learning the char and matchups you won't get anywhere, this applies to anything in real life, you don't work hard enought, you dun get a promotion.
There are many ways of doing it and some people realise and learn faster than others because they got potentials others who don't have will have to work harder to get what they want.
Every person have their own thing for using the character they use and it doesnt matter what tier they are in, as long as u enjoy using that character and learning them from in to out. that is all it matters.
but if your the type to lose and blame tier/bad macthup then I would advise you something that won't make you feel that way if you lose or win or whatever.
Oh god...hes not wrong.
Cammy is sooo terribad imo. I think she is the worst character in the whole game to be honest.
Capcom were like "Oh man. No one is gonna play her she sucks so much. *bling* I have an idea!?!?! Lets give her a 3D thong!!! Then everyone will play her" YAY!
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 13, 2009, 03:37:45 PM
Cammy is sooo terribad imo. I think she is the worst character in the whole game to be honest.
Capcom were like "Oh man. No one is gonna play her she sucks so much. *bling* I have an idea!?!?! Lets give her a 3D thong!!! Then everyone will play her" YAY!
It worked apparently. Theres quite a few online. But yea, shes pretty easily punishable at the very least, but the DJB13 stuff on youtube makes me want to play her a bit more.
All the subpar console characters would be MASSIVELY improved if they could juggle into full ultras. Well, not massively improved, but it would be nice none the less.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 13, 2009, 03:44:23 PM
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on July 13, 2009, 03:37:45 PM
Cammy is sooo terribad imo. I think she is the worst character in the whole game to be honest.
Capcom were like "Oh man. No one is gonna play her she sucks so much. *bling* I have an idea!?!?! Lets give her a 3D thong!!! Then everyone will play her" YAY!
It worked apparently. Theres quite a few online. But yea, shes pretty easily punishable at the very least, but the DJB13 stuff on youtube makes me want to play her a bit more.
All the subpar console characters would be MASSIVELY improved if they could juggle into full ultras. Well, not massively improved, but it would be nice none the less.
.
She can juggle into her ultra from her Cannon spike.
The thing that makes her suck, is that if you hold down back, and know how to tech throw.. she cant do any safe reliable damage to you.
Its quitel lol when you see it.
I know she can juggle it, but is it into FULL ultra or just the drill->spike part?
I mean like, for example, how fei can flame kick -> FADC -> chickenwing -> Ultra, but only the first 2 hits of the ultra connect. This just irks me, almost like they left it unfinished.
And yea, its stupid that you can block her cannon strike low. That is another basic improvement that would go a long way.
Well she kicks my butt >:( , largely I think coz its not a matchup i'm very familiar with
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 13, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
I know she can juggle it, but is it into FULL ultra or just the drill->spike part?
I mean like, for example, how fei can flame kick -> FADC -> chickenwing -> Ultra, but only the first 2 hits of the ultra connect. This just irks me, almost like they left it unfinished.
And yea, its stupid that you can block her cannon strike low. That is another basic improvement that would go a long way.
It doesn't connect into full Ultra but still does more damage than Ryus DP into Ultra. Also she has cannon spike > FADC > cannon spike which does huge damage for only two bars.
Fei Long can get 3 hits off the Ultra but its pretty hard to get. Besides Fei Long is a beast. I think all of the console characters have some way to combo into Ultra which can't be said for the arcade chars.
The problem for most of the console chars isn't a lack of damage output. Its that most of them can't create opportunities to do damage.
I think Fei Long is really good. Probably second best console character
Quote from: Toomeke on July 13, 2009, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 13, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
I know she can juggle it, but is it into FULL ultra or just the drill->spike part?
I mean like, for example, how fei can flame kick -> FADC -> chickenwing -> Ultra, but only the first 2 hits of the ultra connect. This just irks me, almost like they left it unfinished.
And yea, its stupid that you can block her cannon strike low. That is another basic improvement that would go a long way.
It doesn't connect into full Ultra but still does more damage than Ryus DP into Ultra. Also she has cannon spike > FADC > cannon spike which does huge damage for only two bars.
Fei Long can get 3 hits off the Ultra but its pretty hard to get. Besides Fei Long is a beast. I think all of the console characters have some way to combo into Ultra which can't be said for the arcade chars.
The problem for most of the console chars isn't a lack of damage output. Its that most of them can't create opportunities to do damage.
I think Fei Long is really good. Probably second best console character
I didnt know it did more damage than Ryu's. Thats quite interesting actually. And i agree about fei. That fucker is quick. I would just like to see a full ultra connect off of something (even if it means it gets raped by scaling.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 13, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
I know she can juggle it, but is it into FULL ultra or just the drill->spike part?
I mean like, for example, how fei can flame kick -> FADC -> chickenwing -> Ultra, but only the first 2 hits of the ultra connect. This just irks me, almost like they left it unfinished.
And yea, its stupid that you can block her cannon strike low. That is another basic improvement that would go a long way.
Gen.
Fuck. I overlooked quite a bit.
who cares!!! I still like my sexy Cammy!!!
She is really fun to play with if the person is not too pro :P
Fei is beast 2nd fastest dash in the game, i like his ground game poke all day.
Quote from: Smoofikith on July 13, 2009, 05:21:03 PM
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 13, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
I know she can juggle it, but is it into FULL ultra or just the drill->spike part?
I mean like, for example, how fei can flame kick -> FADC -> chickenwing -> Ultra, but only the first 2 hits of the ultra connect. This just irks me, almost like they left it unfinished.
And yea, its stupid that you can block her cannon strike low. That is another basic improvement that would go a long way.
Gen.
Sakura.
Yea I thought of sakura when he posted gen too. Hence my 'i overlooked quite a bit' post. Im not arguing with fei long though. But I'd still like to juggle into full ultras just for flashiness sake.
Also
Seth.
Gouken.
Seth = Homo looking.
Gouken = just an old rag.
Quote from: zosla on July 14, 2009, 12:05:36 PM
Seth = Homo looking.
Gouken = just an old rag.
Point is they can juggle full ultras.
There is absolutely no reason to juggle into ultra for seth. For a start it would do NO damage, and secondly he really wants to have the ultra hanging around as a scare tactic.
The funny thing is is that it's better for the opponent to just suck up the ultra straight away to get it over with, rather than take a bunch of sonic boom chip damage and then get hit by it anyway.
And he's not a homo, he's the damager :P
Oh bro, it's surpose to look like this
Quote from: fluxcore on July 14, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
And he's not a homo, he's the damager :P
Quote from: fluxcore on July 14, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
There is absolutely no reason to juggle into ultra for seth. For a start it would do NO damage, and secondly he really wants to have the ultra hanging around as a scare tactic.
The funny thing is is that it's better for the opponent to just suck up the ultra straight away to get it over with, rather than take a bunch of sonic boom chip damage and then get hit by it anyway.
And he's not a homo, he's the damager :P
GAH. Point is he CAN. I should stay out of this thread >_>
Quote from: ILL_BILL on July 14, 2009, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: fluxcore on July 14, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
There is absolutely no reason to juggle into ultra for seth. For a start it would do NO damage, and secondly he really wants to have the ultra hanging around as a scare tactic.
The funny thing is is that it's better for the opponent to just suck up the ultra straight away to get it over with, rather than take a bunch of sonic boom chip damage and then get hit by it anyway.
And he's not a homo, he's the damager :P
GAH. Point is he CAN. I should stay out of this thread >_>
Imagine if he couldn't! juggle, juggle, BOOM! . . .... tap.