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Heya Guys!
To keep the competitive juices flowing ready for XLAN and Nationals we are going to host a 3v3 Team Tournament! Details are as follows!
Date: Saturday the 26th of June 2010
Time: Be there at midday to register and for warmups! Start at 1-00pm
Cost: Cost will be $36-00 per team
Venue: GIGA Internet Cafe, 65 Wakefield Street, Auckland CBD
Rules:
-Teams will consist of three members
-Team order must be registered at the start of the tournament and may not be changed
-2/3 rounds per game
-Each player in a team must register a character, and must play only that character through out the tournament. Players cannot change their character after the first game of the tournament has begun
-All players in a team must play seperate characters. eg: Two players in the same team cannot play as Dudley
-Each team member will play until they are eliminated. Once eliminated in a match, a player cannot play in that match again
-If the final member of each team end the final game in a draw. Each team will then choose a team member and those two players will play a sudden death 2/3 round game to determine the match winner
-If there are less then 8 teams, the tournament will be played in a round robin format. In the event of 2 or more teams tying in the round robin, those teams will face off until there are clear third, second, and first placed teams.
-If there are 8 or more teams, The tournament will be run in a double elimination format
-All other NZism rules apply
-Prize pot will be made up from the entry fee, less the cost of running the event and will be split 60/30/10 amongst the top 3 placing teams
Any questions then fire away in this thread! If you are worried about not having a team, or think you might be short a player, by all means turn up on the day and we can pair you up with someone!
Spectating is of course FREE!
Should be fun so practice up guys!!!
CURRENT TEAMS ATTENDING:
Team Oldskool: Lenny, CrazyMobius, Hydro
Team Raging Emo Sluts: Chuckarello, Nate, Electric
Team BWMD: Massi4h, Skullator, ScribbleART
Team The Darkness!!!: IR UM BLE, Optimus Dave, Iron(cheap)SOL
Team Bolo Vanaka: SimonFISH, Jacksmash, GeneTerror
Team FREESUPERPIPEWATER: BIRRY WONG, Samurai(very)Black, Stero M.....ark Charteris
Team K-Dizzle: TooMeke, B1ackstarNinja, Smoof
Team VIOLENT GUYS!: Gankatron, XPunch, Delerious or wickedways or iWicked or whatever the hell h calls himself now.
Team Twenty Something: Cody, Myron, Hue
Can we have same char in the team?? e.g 3 zangief??
Nope each team member must play a different character. Cant have the same character in a team!
Cool! I'm there.
Lenny - Hydro - Mobius
Right?
Quote from: hydrokinesis on June 05, 2010, 09:09:36 AM
Cool! I'm there.
Lenny - Hydro - Mobius
Right?
AKA TEAM OLDSKOOL!!!!
Interested, if a team wants me...
I'll team up with you Flux, what about Gino?
down for this
Quote from: wick3d wayz on June 05, 2010, 12:28:40 PM
down for this
Bro you should get ENZED to team up with you!
Work = sadface
Currently assembling the dream team.
would like to but I'm in the south island that week and won't get back till 7pm on the day of the tourney! have fun though!
Quote from: fluxcore on June 06, 2010, 10:08:51 AM
Cool... Euan? :)
sweet , i just wanna smash out some fierce punches haha
im down. team ups any1? lol
oh oh team ironpunch + Dave.....
IRONPUNCHDAVE 8)
Quote from: Optimus DAVE on June 07, 2010, 02:08:28 PM
oh oh team ironpunch + Dave.....
IRONPUNCHDAVE 8)
Nah, you guys need at least one good player.
OOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
lol thats it, i didn't want to be like this but I have to stand up for team IRONPUNCHDAVE lolz
So it sounds like your forgetting what my ROG does to ur tiny chef :P, running your mouf as fast as El fuerte runs from my ROG ay silly billy... ::) don't make me use him on you. lol ;D You wont be walking for a good couple months, ROGS gota BIG ONE.... ;D
Sweet guys!
Mention your guys teams in here so that I can start adding them to a list in the first post.
I have a feeling that this will be pretty epic!!!
Massi4h + iMagneto + Skullator
Oh and Lenny what order system will the tourny run?
Player A B and C on first team.
Player 1 2 and 3 on second team.
Player A beats player one, does Player A stay on and fight player 2? Or does player B then play player 2?
Quote from: Skullator on June 07, 2010, 05:59:07 PM
Massi4h + iMagneto + Skullator
Oh and Lenny what order system will the tourny run?
Player A B and C on first team.
Player 1 2 and 3 on second team.
Player A beats player one, does Player A stay on and fight player 2? Or does player B then play player 2?
Should be winner's stay on.... I'll let Lenny Confirm :) as I am a player also not involved :P
Lenny, I Got 3 teams for you. Just call them team A,B,C for now until I confirm who is in what team :)
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on June 05, 2010, 02:41:53 AM
-Each team member will play until they are eliminated. Once eliminated in a match, a player cannot play in that match again
Quote from: Skullator on June 07, 2010, 05:59:07 PM
Massi4h + iMagneto + Skullator
Oh and Lenny what order system will the tourny run?
Player A B and C on first team.
Player 1 2 and 3 on second team.
Player A beats player one, does Player A stay on and fight player 2? Or does player B then play player 2?
At this point it will be player A stays on, but it might change depending on feedback. In fact thinking about it now, it will be very likely that it will change to your secnod example.
OK the swapping player style is awesome. As long as we set it out right. Cause it makes sure everyone on the team gets a game. And then if we play best of 3 sets, then the losing team can swap the order of their players.
Quote from: massi4h on June 08, 2010, 09:16:23 AM
OK the swapping player style is awesome. As long as we set it out right. Cause it makes sure everyone on the team gets a game. And then if we play best of 3 sets, then the losing team can swap the order of their players.
+1 - the more team members getting a game, the better, IMO
Quote from: electric on June 08, 2010, 09:28:51 AM
+1 - the more team members getting a game, the better, IMO
YTeah these are my thoughts now too. So thats how it will be. SWEET!?!?!
Sweet
NO OCV !!!
You can still OCV if your team mates lose their matches lol.
me and bill are team k-dizzle
we havent found a 3rd yet
No we fucking are not.
We are the Birry Wong experience, featuring Richard, and someone else.
the birry wong experience is a solo act.
Which is why it is FEATURING you guys. Jeez.
we need a different name for team ups dude.
they dont call the justice league, batman featuring assorted heroes. or the avengers, ironman and friends.
Batman is not as awesome as Birry Wong.
Birry Wong deems Team K-Dizzle an acceptable name. Provided our leftover proceeds go towards the "Toilet paper for GIGA" fund.
god dam , me ben and smoof should have been team k-dizzle , and then we could have gone got hot and spicy to celebrate our glorious victory .
yes you heard right kc , has hot and spicy again ...... OOOOOHHHHHHH yeah .............
Quote from: B1ackstar Ninja on June 08, 2010, 07:09:39 PM
god dam , me ben and smoof should have been team k-dizzle , and then we could have gone got hot and spicy to celebrate our glorious victory .
yes you heard right kc , has hot and spicy again ...... OOOOOHHHHHHH yeah .............
OHHH BRO
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Fuck off bill your team can't be named K-dizzle
Pretty sure we changed to Team FREESUPER PIPEWATER anyway.
Damnit Euan, I can't keep you from your destiny on team k-dizzle if you wish it...
haha nah its ok , ben and smoof probably wont enter the 3v3 anyway .
but we can still get hot and spicy afterwards , oh yes !!!!!
quay st k-dizzle attack !!!!!
Brrrrroooooo I remember we caught Richard ordering a quarter pack. Therefore he cannot be in Team K Dizzle. Pretty sure we gonna be team Chocolate Love.
I am coming. Who wants to team with me :)
I'm down with either of the following:
AV
KFC
PS I'm actually not coming hahahahah
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on June 05, 2010, 12:29:26 PM
Bro you should get ENZED to team up with you!
yeah hard i'll check if he can make it
Who is Michael? Has he been to any of our events?
Sweet, im just trying to put a name to a face.
Where is team El Fuerte?
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on June 05, 2010, 03:11:03 AM
Nope each team member must play a different character. Cant have the same character in a team!
Otherwise i would be down for that shit
the michael i know~ hes fucking hard with dudley!
Ooh the smashbros have gone their seperate ways.
Note: I've advised Andy i won't be teaming up with what was stated in the post above.
If anyone that is yet to configure a team can you please drop me a text?
Fong
021-164-2158
You should team up with me and richard fong. :P
My offer to carry you still stands haha
oh shit I just got ur text, was busy with work.
I'll re- arrange the teams then.
xpunch drops out of his 3v3 team with sol and dave sorry boyz :-*
Oh yeah, i'll try make it to this one.
Dropping some mutha fucken Bison on dat azz beaaa beeaaaa!!!!!
Quote from: massi4h on June 09, 2010, 04:57:28 PM
Ooh the smashbros have gone their seperate ways.
well i'll be damned :o
Quote from: xpunch on June 09, 2010, 06:35:44 PM
xpunch drops out of his 3v3 team with sol and dave sorry boyz :-*
sad panda but is ok
no hard feelings ;D ;D
team ironpunchdave must be renamed and reformatted....if lenny would be so kind as to remove that team from the OP....chur churrrrr
What ???
Andy looks like our conversation this afternoon was so insignificant that it doesn't matter at all haha
As I said I might join, i might not, depending on my exam schedule.
And come to think of it I don't really buy this random team idea,
sorry for answering your text msg with a "2" in the first place,
i was just too eager to jump on the wagon.
man, its not even about the outcome of the random, I got nothing to complain about, a champ and a ex-champ in my team,
but i just suddenly realize i don't like the idea at all, thanks.
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Quote from: cha on June 11, 2010, 12:45:49 AM
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Man it would be so cool if you started maining Cody.
Quote from: cha on June 11, 2010, 12:45:49 AM
What ???
Andy looks like our conversation this afternoon was so insignificant that it doesn't matter at all haha
As I said I might join, i might not, depending on my exam schedule.
And come to think of it I don't really buy this random team idea,
sorry for answering your text msg with a "2" in the first place,
i was just too eager to jump on the wagon.
man, its not even about the outcome of the random, I got nothing to complain about, a champ and a ex-champ in my team,
but i just suddenly realize i don't like the idea at all, thanks.
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Diu,
I posted that before I talk to u!!! You should of told me u might not make it or whatever when I asked you a few days ago...
anyways, we can sort out the proper team on the day so it doesn't matter if you don't turn up but just let us know. Its jsut a figure for Lenny's sake!!!
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Yo Alan we still on for this, I'm still keen. We need a third still ay?
I think Euan said he'd be our third?
Awesome sounds good to me ;D
TEAM OLD WHITE PEOPLE :P :P
rofl
lol
Fuck don't be racist Richard.
U down with OWP! Yeah u know me!
Team "Raging Emo Sluts"
Chuckarello - Akuma
Nate - Cammy
Electric - Abel
Looks like I'm going to have to pull out of this, sorry chaps.
Damn look like I'll just have to turn up on the day and see what happens then. All good though Alan, shit happens.
Quote from: geneterror on June 15, 2010, 10:19:40 AM
Damn look like I'll just have to turn up on the day and see what happens then. All good though Alan, shit happens.
Just give a shout out. There must be heaps of peeps looking for extra members.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on June 15, 2010, 10:21:32 AM
Just give a shout out. There must be heaps of peeps looking for extra members.
Criteria: Must be old and white.
Suggestions:
#1 winner stays on, that's how every single team match I've seen was done.
#2 instead of 2/3 each players, we get 1 3 rounds game for each player but ft2 as a whole team, i think the time needed would be the similar.
#3 either position cannot be changed, or each team decides their position every game before it starts without the other team knowing, and loser cannot change position (if #2 accepted) coz counter picking (position) is pretty bad in super.
Just my $0.2
I take it you haven't seen many team matches then.
har har har lol!!!
trouble makers.
Quote from: cha on June 15, 2010, 12:03:33 PM
Suggestions:
#1 winner stays on, that's how every single team match I've seen was done.
I don't really agree with this based on the discussions a couple pages back - the more people who get to play, the better. We can't have you OCV'ing everyone and then your teammates don't even get to play ;)
Quote from: cha on June 15, 2010, 12:03:33 PM
#2 instead of 2/3 each players, we get 1 3 rounds game for each player but ft2 as a whole team, i think the time needed would be the similar.
3/5 tends to favour some characters more because they build EX meter quicker - if we keep it standard 2/3 like other tournament matches it makes it closer to Nationals - I see this tournament as a slightly more casual way to introduce some people to the scene (my 2 team mates haven't played in a tournament before)
Quote from: cha on June 15, 2010, 12:03:33 PM
#3 either position cannot be changed, or each team decides their position every game before it starts without the other team knowing, and loser cannot change position (if #2 accepted) coz counter picking (position) is pretty bad in super.
Just my $0.2
I like that teams can (double blind) change their order before each game - that could be fun, but I don't really mind either way.
Ive got to agree with Eru on this.
Although, i WOULD like to see teams able to change the order that they play in, although, the team order isnt really an issue given the way that this tourney is being played.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 15, 2010, 12:13:25 PM
I take it you haven't seen many team matches then.
ye, i think i should see more, that would make me a better player =)
Quote from: electric on June 15, 2010, 01:00:23 PM
3/5 tends to favour some characters more because they build EX meter quicker - if we keep it standard 2/3 like other tournament matches it makes it closer to Nationals - I see this tournament as a slightly more casual way to introduce some people to the scene (my 2 team mates haven't played in a tournament before)
What i mean is not 3/5 or 2/3, i mean 1/3 or 1/5 rounds wtever for individual players then first to 2 as a whole team.
That is, we go through all the players, that counts as a set, then first to 2 sets.
Well, as I sad just my $0.2, feedbacks welcome.
nvm, i think i misunderstood what 2/3 means =D
Quote from: electric on June 15, 2010, 01:00:23 PM
I don't really agree with this based on the discussions a couple pages back - the more people who get to play, the better. We can't have you OCV'ing everyone and then your teammates don't even get to play ;)
Ye, i agree its better if more people get to play. But plan A leaves more room for strategy imo, and if we actually do double blind it won't be a problem, cause if you really wanna get player C to play, you can place him first the next game, that's the freedom. Or if he wanna stay hidden until the finals he can also do it.
Quote from: zosla on June 15, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
har har har lol!!!
trouble makers.
That's pretty sad if you consider this trouble making.
I sincerely wanna ppl get past the state of mindless provoking instead of actually discussing like an adult,
i'm just raising opinion for ppl to discuss, i'm all good if they're being rejected.
Quote from: cha on June 15, 2010, 01:38:43 PM
That's pretty sad if you consider this trouble making.
I sincerely wanna ppl get past the state of mindless provoking instead of actually discussing like an adult,
i'm just raising opinion for ppl to discuss, i'm all good if they're being rejected.
hahaha even more,
I wasn't talking about u diu lei !!! har har har :)
CODY THE ULTRALORD
Team Iron+Dave are still looking for a 3rd member if anyone is free?
Quote from: cha on June 15, 2010, 01:17:49 PM
ye, i think i should see more, that would make me a better player =)
More like, it would give you a more valid opinion on organising a team tournament.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 15, 2010, 05:38:08 PM
More like, it would give you a more valid opinion on organising a team tournament.
Well i'm not organizing anything, i'm giving feedback as a would be participant.
And if you talk about "seen a lot of matches", I'd prefer quality instead of quantity.
And further more, I"m just supporting what is originally written in the rules.
You're weighing in with an opinion and the very first point you make proves that you don't know much about team tourneys.
It's like saying "The new vehicle should be made of wood and be drawn by horses because that's what all vehicles I've seen are like"
I trust Lenny knows what he's doing. He's been around the block and knows what would work for the NZ scene.
The fighting between the Admin and THE ULTRALORD is making Birry Wong sad. Because of my mood, I will only eat 19 baby jesuses today. Congratulations guys. I hope you're proud of yourselves.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 16, 2010, 10:02:52 AM
The fighting between the Admin and THE ULTRALORD is making Birry Wong sad. Because of my mood, I will only eat 19 baby jesuses today. Congratulations guys. I hope you're proud of yourselves.
I APPROVE Birry Wong to eat 20 baby jesuses today, just one mroe extra because I think you deserve it!!! hope you enjoy it :)
I'll be making my way to this if it has the grudge match on. So I'll be a spare for any team if someone needs one :)
Quote from: stereomonkey on June 16, 2010, 10:28:33 AM
I'll be making my way to this if it has the grudge match on. So I'll be a spare for any team if someone needs one :)
Jump on Team FREESUPERPIPEWATER with BIRRY WONG and RICHARD UMEHALA
Yeah sweet as. Can I catch a ride with you Alan so I can participate ;)
Better start saving up for some munnies to beat onn the grudge match, oh yeah!
Quote from: fluxcore on June 16, 2010, 07:42:57 AM
You're weighing in with an opinion and the very first point you make proves that you don't know much about team tourneys.
It's like saying "The new vehicle should be made of wood and be drawn by horses because that's what all vehicles I've seen are like"
What you are doing here again is going after the person making the point instead of the point itself,
it's just personal attack which takes you nowhere mate.
If I would do the same thing I'd say, I take that you haven't seen a lot of quality matches then.
And you are the one who's saying it should be made of wood and drawn by horses.
Lenny was asking for feedback a couple of pages back there, and I'm doing exactly this and illustrated
my point. So, how much do you know?
If I degrade myself into fighting back a personal attack that would be arguing, be constructive.
The point is you used the reason "because all I've seen is winner stays on" as the sole argument for keeping it as winner stays on, which has no merit whatsoever since many other people have seen an alternative (the current proposed system).
I suggested you broaden your horizons, I guess you don't take constructive criticism well.
As for this whole "watch quality matches" thing, what does that have to do with anything? At least use some argument which makes sense, please.
Quote from: stereomonkey on June 16, 2010, 01:13:14 PM
Yeah sweet as. Can I catch a ride with you Alan so I can participate ;)
Better start saving up for some munnies to beat onn the grudge match, oh yeah!
I already posted that I can't make it anymore, so... no.
Fuck. Does this mean Team FREESUPERPIPEWATER needs another member AGAIN?
Stay tuned to find out.
Oh bolo. Hmmm, lets see if I can twist Gino's arm to going up (if his car is not still totally fucked).
Damn I need to get a car :-\
Catch the bus Stu
I would walk as that is how I commute around already but Auckland seems a bit far yo.
Quote from: stereomonkey on June 16, 2010, 03:50:14 PM
Oh bolo. Hmmm, lets see if I can twist Gino's arm to going up (if his car is not still totally fucked).
Damn I need to get a car :-\
ask birry wong if you could catch a ride up on his slong.
seeing as alan isnt coming anymore and team old white people is no more , i have followed my stomach to team K DIZZLE !!!
me , ben , smoof
DA DAMAGERZZZZZZZZ !!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: fluxcore on June 16, 2010, 03:22:31 PM
~skip~
I don't think "I've seen" or "many people have seen" such such is a point anyway,
what I said in the first post was merely "I want it" as a vote and I have
that preference because "that's all I've seen".
You got that reality construct that seeing a lot of matches matters, so you would think
that when I said "that's all I've seen" I was trying to make a point. That's why you're
not trying to talk about the pros and cons.
If you say I don't take constructive criticism well, I'm not here to take personal criticism
and I'm not gonna proof read my forum post so I won't be attacked, surprise.
BTW, I've seen some high level team play of Japan inter-state tournament, Korea vs Japan etc,
and they use winners stay on. These are the quality tournaments I was talking about.
Do I think that matters? No. I think its ridiculous the same way as saying a lot of tournaments
were done this way matters.
Do you see me yelling its all i've seen or those japs are doing it this way too as arguments when
electric was actually addressing the point?
I think its all good if you say no, because of this and that, or even just plain no,
of course it depends on what majority of the people think, but it doesn't deny you
the right to say "no, i don't like it" as a vote without being attacked.
But if you're trying to ask me to broaden my horizons, I'd say no,
and I'd suggest you to learn some social norm and manner.
Some final comments about this.
Since its not the reason for me to reply here anyway, I don't really have a strong agenda,
i think its a waste of time, i'm getting sick of it, i think its just a fucking game and i'm done
elaborating my point of view already.
To my understanding, you are doing this attack the messenger thing instead of critically
evaluating both ways because you haven't fully convinced yourself into believing what is
coming out from you keyboard yet.
Otherwise, the sole reason for you to put on that first comment was to attack me,
which is all good, you got your own keyboard and network, how to use them is entirely
your freedom.
But its off-topic. =D
Cheers
Cool, you're starting to actually put down some vague reasons why you think it should be winner stays on. Good job.
For those that can't read between the lines:
I am not organising this tournament in any sense.
I am not competing in this tournament.
I have not even put forth my own opinion on the format.
All I want is to see some actual reasoning behind some of these 'suggestions'. All too often I see on this forum people basically saying "yo I'm better than most people so take my random opinion into account no matter how little reasoning is behind it" and I don't like that.
yo I'm better than most people so take my random opinion into account no matter how little reasoning is behind it. ^_^
Btw, I vote for winner stay on. And I want to change team, not staying with Kevin coz I wanna vs him instead of teaming up with him. end.
lol
But really, WHY do you guys want winner stays on? Do you not want people to play?
Because the other way actually makes all three team members play during each set at least once.
Winner stays on doesn't help people get better because they don't even get to play sometimes!
Since everyone is casting their votes. I don't entirely understand the rule that you need to pick the same character throughout the whole tournament. I can understand team to team having to stick to one character but even with the National Tournament you can change character depending on who you fight.
What was the reason behind this one?
IMO, player with "less chance of winning" will play first and the better player will save for the last.
This is commonly see in many tournaments (From my exp, Example: Daigo 3 v 3 in Japan and Daigo played last) coz the better player can observe the style of the opponents while their teammate plays. AND if the best player in the team play first and for some random reasons that player loses, then it will put a huge mental effect on the rest members of that team coz now they realise they have even lower chance of coming back.
SO LOGICALLY, everyone still get a chance to play UNLESS you team up with KEVIN x 2 and you are the last player. THEN my question is: why would you wanna be in that team to begin with? AND IF your answer is you just want to win THEN you've made a wise decision. Just sit back and enjoy the show and claim the prize.
Also, Like Cody has already stated. When it comes to the next match, the order of the team can be rearranged so weaker player in the team can also have the chance to play if they insist. And knowing the community, I don't see anyone here would stand up and say: "Please lemme go first coz i wanna OCV them"
This is just my point of view. I'm only a player and I will be happy to join the tournament No matter what the rule is. Because that's the least i can do to support the community. So if the organizers don't like it, that's fine !! "Please don't attack me as i'm very weak at defense, I can only rush down"
cheers, ^_^
The 'anchor' (aka last player) can still watch the other people play in either method.
If they go first and still lose to the first person, it has the exact same effect as in winner stays on.
The difference is that you get to see all the 'same strength' matches, regardless of however else things play out, which is surely a good thing?
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 17, 2010, 08:30:39 AMSO LOGICALLY, everyone still get a chance to play UNLESS you team up with KEVIN x 2 and you are the last player.
I don't necessarily think this is true either.
With the way it's currently being played, each team member is
GUARANTEED to play once, as well as observe at some point, whether it be before their game (if you're playing second or last) or after their game (if you're up first)
With winner stays on, none of that is
GUARANTEED. Despite what anyone thinks, there will be disparities in each teams skill levels. Putting your "weakest player first" still doesn't mean everyone gets a turn, because Team A's "weakest player" could still be better than the entire of Team B's players. What does this do for Team B ? It ensures they all 3 of them ONLY get to play and observe against 1 character, whereas with the other way, you're guaranteed to see
at least 3 different match ups. How many people know what the Juri vs. Ibuki match up looks like ? I doubt very many people know.
It's not that winner stays on is a bad idea, it's just that I don't think it's the right fit for OUR community. If we had a much larger player base, where learning match ups wasn't as big a focus, I'd probably lean more towards Winner stays on.
Of course, this is all just my opinion and anyone here is welcome to debate it :)
I prefer winner stays on but its not the best format for a tournament that isn't full of top players like a Japanese tournament (SBO)
I think thats one of the issues. The top players in our scene want a very competitive atmosphere, where as others are saying hey the mikado style format is better for the community overall because everyone gets a shot. Either format is competitive but winner stays on allows for more beast like moments :P
If the mikado format is used I think its a good idea that the team order is picked before each match.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on June 17, 2010, 08:26:35 AM
Since everyone is casting their votes. I don't entirely understand the rule that you need to pick the same character throughout the whole tournament. I can understand team to team having to stick to one character but even with the National Tournament you can change character depending on who you fight.
What was the reason behind this one?
Its standard for teams to have to stick with the same characters for the whole tournament. I don't think I've ever seen a tourney where teams were aloud to change characters. Stops teams from learn 2 characters each and being able to counter almost any team they go up against. Counter picking is a lot harder in a singles tournament
The only downside I see to Mikado format is you can't have OCVs, but I think that's greatly offset by the fact that all team members get to play, no-one is just sitting around waiting for any large period of time.
I definitely don't see that one is more competitive than the other.
hmm..... I will be honest. Same strength matches would be cool to watch but i'd focus on quality rather than quantity.
1. IF we REALLY want to help the community to get STRONGER, then i think it's about time to stop being Mr.Nice Guy and we should encourage everyone to play at "higher level" instead of "same level". Sure you play tougher opponents, u will have higher chance of losing but maybe you will learn something from the intense fight.
2. However, IF we just want people to have fun, Then we should let the players to vote for themselves. If the majority doesn't want it to be "winner stay on style". Then it's all good. The majority will be happy and the minority won't be satisfied but who cares about the minority. It's impossible to satisfy every single person in the world anyway.
Finally, I've just combined both 1 & 2 as my suggestion. As a player, I'm voting for "winner stay on" (2) and also, I would like to see people leveling up (1).
Back to a few week ago, James's made a post mentioned that he wanted to improve and asked US to give players advices. And I know that not many top players in NZ active on the forum. I've been talking to them and have a lot discussion about these issues. I'm not that great of a player but for those who wants to take on my advise:
"The first thing that you need to do, is trying to understand the concept of challenges. Rather than blindly practicing the whole day and when it comes to tournament, u just want some "same skill" matches. This is the real world, not some fantasy games. If you want to improve, there's no easy road. After understanding that concept, your REAL training will begin"
Again, that's solely my opinion. You don't have to go along with it. Maybe you have your own method and maybe you will beast everyone else "someday".
Yeah I reckon Mikado is all good if we get to switch members around before each match and after a loss, especially if Team BIRRY WONG has BIRRY WONG as an anchor to challenge team tauranga and friends with The Milky Bar Kid as an anchor. Personally though I don't really mind getting smashed and OCV'd by a beast. DAIIIIGOOOOO 8)
Can we be diplomatic and just start a poll or something that runs 'til this Sunday or something like that. Let the people/community decide for themselves, majority rules yo!
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 17, 2010, 10:47:34 AM
1. IF we REALLY want to help the community to get STRONGER, then i think it's about time to stop being Mr.Nice Guy and we should encourage everyone to play at "higher level" instead of "same level". Sure you play tougher opponents, u will have higher chance of losing but maybe you will learn something from the intense fight.
I agree with this. I know Hue wasn't feeling well at last Ranbats but for me even though I lost that was my best match of the night because I feel like I learnt the most from that one. I have no problem losing to people better than me because it makes me better and work harder to win.
Also I didn't see Hue's post about voting when I made mine, but I think it's a good idea.
The weaker players will still have to play the stronger players if they win against the other weaker players, as long as the stronger players in the team lose to the opponent's stronger players. But I suppose it's true that they won't HAVE to play the better players, as long as their other team members do their job as well.
Basically in mikado, if all your team members win their matches then the weaker players miss out on playing the stronger players. So I agree, if all we want is to see strong players smash weak players in competition then winner stays on is great. If we want to see some closer games then Mikado seems to make some sense.
Personally I think the real way to level up is to have the stronger players play weaker players in casuals and give them tips, rather than only amongst themselves. But that's just me. The only people that are really going to level up hard in a 1-game tournament are going to be sufficiently good that they won't need the help anyway, meanwhile everyone else will just get smashed.
It's not like there aren't going to be tournaments where people get to play against the stronger players anyway, for instance every 2nd week's ranbats.
Anyone up for a random select money match?
Quote from: CrazyMobius on June 17, 2010, 11:10:31 AM
Anyone up for a random select money match?
Might as well bring a pack of card there and play poker or blackjack to earn some money, would be more fun than a random select money match. lol
No one beats me at random select. $20 first to 5?
Also on topic: I still think changing players is better for getting everyone a turn. If you put your best guy last and both your other players lose then you can OCV them. If you want to OCV a team Hue you can ask your teammates to throw their matches lol.
But yeah team order should be double blind and if best of 3 losers can change their team order if we decide to do Mikado.
$20 is chump change. $50 at least imo
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 17, 2010, 10:47:34 AM
1. IF we REALLY want to help the community to get STRONGER, then i think it's about time to stop being Mr.Nice Guy and we should encourage everyone to play at "higher level" instead of "same level". Sure you play tougher opponents, u will have higher chance of losing but maybe you will learn something from the intense fight.
You do realise the fortnightly ranbats were seeded (not exactly seeded, but close enough) so the best players in the community play against the lesser skilled opponents first? Personally I think it's pretty counter productive putting the lesser skilled players in the community against the best people at an event which is meant to build the scene, cause getting beasted can be pretty off putting at times. Obviously with double elimination the scrubs will go to losers bracket to play against each other first, which is good, because then they've got to win to stay in the ranbats. I just can't see how you've got the opinion you have.
About scrubs playing the best players, I used to be pretty top tier at quakeworld/quake3 so here is an analogy using quakeworld.
If I was playing 1v1 and I killed someone once on pretty much any of the competitive 1v1 maps, they would pretty much never get to move more than 10 steps before they were dead, sometimes they would die the instant they came back to life. How? Because I knew the sequence of where the enemy players would respawn after the first kill. It was retarded. I could rack up scores of 80-0 in 10 minute games against people who knew the basics of the game but hadn't played too much. Even against good players I could get scores of 30+ - 0. Basically as soon as they die, it's pretty much over, they don't even get to move. How could someone in that situation learn anything about the game?
Sometimes I feel the same when someone gets a knockdown on my character in street fighter, once I'm down, I can't do shit and I get knockdown down again. Then I can't learn anything. The only thing I learn is to not get knocked down in the first place. lol. Easier said then done I suppose. Hopefully you see what I'm getting at?
I'm not even going to bother talking about tournament format. lol.
Quote from: massi4h on June 17, 2010, 12:20:21 PM
No one beats me at random select. $20 first to 5?
let's do it Mason. winner will get $20 from the loser BUT the winner has to buy a drink for the loser. Just a friendly money match ^_^
Quote from: Rorooze on June 17, 2010, 12:47:10 PM
Sometimes I feel the same when someone gets a knockdown on my character in street fighter, once I'm down, I can't do shit and I get knockdown down again. Then I can't learn anything. The only thing I learn is to not get knocked down in the first place. lol. Easier said then done I suppose. Hopefully you see what I'm getting at?
If that's the only thing you learn then too bad, it's not the right thing that u need to learn.
Everyone will get knockdown once or twice in a round EVEN Daigo cannot avoid that. The thing that you really need to learn is WHAT TO DO after being knockdown. And again, if you "can't do shit" after a knockdown then you should think harder about WHAT TO DO. Rather than: "I will defeat everyone without being knockdown even once"
Actually I can totally see Hue's point with that one.
This is gonna have to get moved to strats soon ;)
Quote from: Rorooze on June 17, 2010, 12:47:10 PM
You do realise the fortnightly ranbats were seeded (not exactly seeded, but close enough) so the best players in the community play against the lesser skilled opponents first? Personally I think it's pretty counter productive putting the lesser skilled players in the community against the best people at an event which is meant to build the scene, cause getting beasted can be pretty off putting at times. Obviously with double elimination the scrubs will go to losers bracket to play against each other first, which is good, because then they've got to win to stay in the ranbats. I just can't see how you've got the opinion you have.
About scrubs playing the best players, I used to be pretty top tier at quakeworld/quake3 so here is an analogy using quakeworld.
If I was playing 1v1 and I killed someone once on pretty much any of the competitive 1v1 maps, they would pretty much never get to move more than 10 steps before they were dead, sometimes they would die the instant they came back to life. How? Because I knew the sequence of where the enemy players would respawn after the first kill. It was retarded. I could rack up scores of 80-0 in 10 minute games against people who knew the basics of the game but hadn't played too much. Even against good players I could get scores of 30+ - 0. Basically as soon as they die, it's pretty much over, they don't even get to move. How could someone in that situation learn anything about the game?
Sometimes I feel the same when someone gets a knockdown on my character in street fighter, once I'm down, I can't do shit and I get knockdown down again. Then I can't learn anything. The only thing I learn is to not get knocked down in the first place. lol. Easier said then done I suppose. Hopefully you see what I'm getting at?
I'm not even going to bother talking about tournament format. lol.
Note, this is no way being rude.
but if the quake example is true... that person is a no brainer. I too play high lv fps games before and I mean atleast top 3 in NZ for CS. If you can't even learn to understand the game after dieing that many times then u're pretty much should give up coz u're not putting any effort in teh first place to use some brain juice for the game.
Quake is a bit different to CS in that regard. You really can kill them pretty much every time as they spawn and there is fuck all they can do about it.
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 17, 2010, 11:45:57 AM
Might as well bring a pack of card there and play poker
Done lets do it.
Quote from: zosla on June 17, 2010, 01:20:59 PM
Note, this is no way being rude.
but if the quake example is true... that person is a no brainer. I too play high lv fps games before and I mean atleast top 3 in NZ for CS. If you can't even learn to understand the game after dieing that many times then u're pretty much should give up coz u're not putting any effort in teh first place to use some brain juice for the game.
Not to sound like I'm arguing here, and this isn't a personal attack, but I don't believe this at all. I agree with the point that Hue brought up - if you want to get better, you have to play better people - that's cool. But just flat out saying someone who
clearly doesn't understand the basics of the game should give up ? This is why you come across as arrogant to other people here.
If someone was in that situation, the answer doesn't come from getting beasted left, right and centre - it comes from learning why what they're doing is bad/disadvantageous. If all they see is "I tried to jump at this guy so I can do a combo, then I got ultra'd and died", it's easy for someone to take that situation and think "Oooh, ultra's do lots of damage. Great. Next time I get it, I'll just throw it out"
Not everyone thinks or learns the same way as you - this doesn't mean they're dumber or smarter than you either.
Back on topic: Neither format will affect the results of this tournament - It won't even do much to level up the better players in the scene, but as Flux pointed out - that's what casuals are for.
Two respones, Andy first:
You probably haven't played quake, the differences are staggering. Let me explain:
1. CS is a team game. QW can be as well but typically I played 1v1. That instantly makes CS easier for newer people to learn.
2. CS is played in rounds and when you die you get to restart without being at a significant disadvantage.
I guess put it this way, imagine if when I killed you in CS, the next time you respawned you instantly got hit by a grenade or the second you spawn you got shot with AWP. You don't even get the chance to buy your gun, you just die 5 times in a row and on the sixth time you respawn you had time to run behind a box and buy a gun only slightly better than your pistol but in the process you got hit twice so you're screwed anyway. Now imagine that scenario, as a player, who is being completely outplayed in a game which you're not that great at, what would you do? Practise, of course. But to practise you want to play against someone better, not someone that is going to beat you 80-0.
Hue:
I'm not saying I haven't learnt anything about how to deal with wake up other than not to get knocked down, however against some of you guys it basically seems no matter what I try to do I lose out. I guess I should have illustrated my point further in the previous post, sometimes the skill gap between some players is so large that no-one gets anything out of the game.
In a street fighter sense, the noobie (me) can't learn, or even recognise all the "high-level" stuff until I've learnt the basics (what moves are punishable, which of my moves are unsafe, my combos, etc).
I'm not arguing that new people shouldn't play better people, I'm just saying making it so the best players in the country beast all over the noobs to 'make them learn' isn't really going to level up the community.
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 17, 2010, 11:45:57 AM
Might as well bring a pack of card there and play poker or blackjack to earn some money, would be more fun than a random select money match. lol
Random select is good because you don't get people acting all hype about their game. Because they may not be able to back up their talk.
Quote from: massi4h on June 17, 2010, 12:20:21 PM
No one beats me at random select. $20 first to 5?
Yeah I think that seems fair. Do you mean 5 rounds or 5 matches? If it's random select there should at least be more than one character pick to make it somewhat fair.
Quote from: electric on June 17, 2010, 01:40:17 PM
Not everyone thinks or learns the same way as you - this doesn't mean they're dumber or smarter than you either.
That's absolutely correct.
Slower learner doesn't necessary mean that he's dumber than you irl. It simply means they've taken a wrong direction in learning the game. And if they still haven't improved after a couple of months, that means they just keep blindly walking on the wrong direction.
It's true that you don't need to think exactly like someone to become as good as them. However, I believe most of the top players will walk on the same direction. The real key here is finding "the door". After opening that door, you can choose whichever style you wanna be.
But at this moment, many people still haven't walked through that door and they think they are ready to develop their own style. That's why they've been spending days and months practicing hard out but still cannot defeat better players who barely have any practices. I tell you, it's not gifted nor unfair. It's simply because the better players have already walked pass that door and searching for their style. While the weaker players are walking in all directions trying to improve and not realizing that the first thing they need to do is simply finding the door.
Now back to the main point, you don't need to walk on the same path with us but at least, walk on the same direction with us so you can see the door and open it.
Quote from: JackSmash on June 17, 2010, 01:26:29 PM
Done lets do it.
you are under-age. It's illegal for you, go home kid... hahaha............ :P
Quote from: CrazyMobius on June 17, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Random select is good because you don't get people acting all hype about their game. Because they may not be able to back up their talk.
Random select is gay because you can get a shitty 8:2 matchup or something and lost just because it's uneven.
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 17, 2010, 02:14:55 PM
But at this moment, many people still haven't walked through that door and they think they are ready to develop their own style. That's why they've been spending days and months practicing hard out but still cannot defeat better players who barely have any practices. I tell you, it's not gifted nor unfair. It's simply because the better players have already walked pass that door and searching for their style. While the weaker players are walking in all directions trying to improve and not realizing that the first thing they need to do is simply finding the door.
IMO, this one paragraph clears up everything. Well written Hue.
Quote from: Rorooze on June 17, 2010, 01:57:10 PM
Hue:
I'm not saying I haven't learnt anything about how to deal with wake up other than not to get knocked down, however against some of you guys it basically seems no matter what I try to do I lose out. I guess I should have illustrated my point further in the previous post, sometimes the skill gap between some players is so large that no-one gets anything out of the game.
In a street fighter sense, the noobie (me) can't learn, or even recognise all the "high-level" stuff until I've learnt the basics (what moves are punishable, which of my moves are unsafe, my combos, etc).
I'm not arguing that new people shouldn't play better people, I'm just saying making it so the best players in the country beast all over the noobs to 'make them learn' isn't really going to level up the community.
So you are saying if we play against an extremely good player who skill is far beyond our skill. we won't be able to learn anything? Is it true? Is it because of the skill gap different that limits our learning? Or is it because of the way we think that cannot help us move any further?
That's fine. I'm still voting for President A and you are voting for President B. Simply because we look at them differently which is an absolute normal thing in life. This world would be as boring as hell if everyone think the same and do the same thing.
edited:
"until I've learnt the basics" How long have you been playing the game? the basics mean something very basic that most people will learn in a week or 2 or a month at last. This is not a personal attack, it's a personal advice for you mate. If you've spent more than a month and still working on the basic. Then maybe you should stop playing for a while and think what have you been doing wrong all these time instead of keep going for it. Time to turn back and try another direction.
someone locked the door and i lost my key.
is that when i break in through the window?
Quote from: samurai black on June 17, 2010, 02:30:35 PM
someone locked the door and i lost my key.
is that when i break in through the window?
Nah, that's when someone yells out the window "You weren't invited Richard, we're calling the cops"
Quote from: samurai black on June 17, 2010, 02:30:35 PM
someone locked the door and i lost my key.
is that when i break in through the window?
that's when you call someone from the other side to open the door for you. At least you could locate where the door is, knock on it. lol
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 17, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
that's when you call someone from the other side to open the door for you. At least you could locate where the door is, knock on it. lol
This is what I'm talking about. This is NOT going to happen during a tournament, only during casuals with the top players, and only if the 'people on the other side of the door' actually help them find the handle or whatever.
I sincerely believe that most people who will play in a tournament against someone who completely outclasses them will NOT learn anything useful. The people that do don't need the door in the first place, they've thrown a rope and climbed the wall instead
Quote from: fluxcore on June 17, 2010, 02:48:38 PM
This is what I'm talking about. This is NOT going to happen during a tournament, only during casuals with the top players, and only if the 'people on the other side of the door' actually help them find the handle or whatever.
I sincerely believe that most people who will play in a tournament against someone who completely outclasses them will NOT learn anything useful. The people that do don't need the door in the first place, they've thrown a rope and climbed the wall instead
I will say at least 50% of the participant will learn something from playing against stronger players. And in that 50%, there will be an 80% chance of someone pick up something useful that might even change their normal style after the match. On the other hand, you will have 80% of the players that play at their "same level". and I highly doubt that even 50% of them will pick up something useful from those matches.
So again. Back to the original point whether you want to make this community STRONGER or HAPPIER. If you wanna get Stronger, get ready to go through a dark period without seeing Happiness until you find the door. And If you wanna be Happy, hmm...... i guess just do whatever you feel comfortable with.
People might think that i'm just being selfish, believe me i'm not. I'm just trying to help us getting closer to that door. edited here ^_^
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 17, 2010, 02:30:17 PM
So you are saying if we play against an extremely good player who skill is far beyond our skill. we won't be able to learn anything? Is it true? Is it because of the skill gap different that limits our learning? Or is it because of the way we think that cannot help us move any further?
That's fine. I'm still voting for President A and you are voting for President B. Simply because we look at them differently which is an absolute normal thing in life. This world would be as boring as hell if everyone think the same and do the same thing.
No. I'm saying if someone relatively new to the game plays someone very good at the game then they probably won't learn anything.
Once that new player learns the basics of the different characters and match ups, becomes familiar with basic strategies and comfortable with the controls and has played a few games against people that don't completely and utterly tear him apart, then he will start to appreciate some of the higher level stuff and learn from the playing the very good players.
For instance: Jack beasts me with Akuma, he finds it boring and I don't even really know what happened. No one gets much out of it. Obviously if I play 100 sets against Jack I'll probably learn a few things but Jack isn't going to play me 100 sets in a row. And you don't play 100 sets in a tournament, you play once and get knocked out.
Now lets say Daigo beasts Jack, Daigo shows no emotion but because Jack is familiar with the game and is quite experienced, he can actually see what he did wrong and how he could improve.
It's quite clear we're not going to see eye to eye, probably because you're at the top and I'm at the bottom. Either way, smashing noobs won't grow the community. If you really wanted to help level up the community like you say you'd enter the team tournament with a noob and let them play first in the team every match instead of making a beast team with Andy, Jack, Fong, Simon, Kevin, Cody etc. Not that I care if you make a beast team, I know when I played FPS seriously probably 90% of the competitions I played in we played with the best team we could form.
Quake is all about map control. You gotta learn the spawn timings etc, and usually when you get a kill in a fast paced fps you can grab all the main things on the map and it's hard for them to get back into it. Imagine grabbing the rocket, mega health and lightning constantly, what can they do when they spawn with a machine gun.
Come to xlan rory and play me at 100 sets. Me and Euan woulda had at least 100 last year lol.
And yeah Hue I'll take you on your money match. Sounds like fun.
It's worse than that mason, a couple of the quakes don't even have randomised/seeded spawns, so the best players just spam nades and rockets at the spawns they KNOW you are spawning at.
I've already said what i need to say from my previous posts. If you don't take it, that's fine. Just my 2c mate.
On a side note, if you haven't seen my previous posts. I've already said that i'm leaving Kevin team coz i want to play against him rather than teaming up with him. It's more challenge and fun at the same time. And he doesn't always play seriously at the arcade anyway. Nobody does. Why do you think we always laugh after every matches at the arcade. And in tournament, it's more like: "Damn, I shouldn't have done that. It was pretty stupid" <--- *HINT*
But well, I guess nobody like our idea...... so it's all good. Just stick with whatever format it is and we will be there to join the fun.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 17, 2010, 04:20:05 PM
It's worse than that mason, a couple of the quakes don't even have randomised/seeded spawns, so the best players just spam nades and rockets at the spawns they KNOW you are spawning at.
So basically it's like SSF4 where you score a round, and the next round the loser starts with 1hp on a waking up situation. And the winner just stand right in front of his face?
hehe..... the strenx guy in that video sounds like me. Except that he became the second best player in a tournament and he has a reason for his aggressive style. I don't have/need one. I always think i'm playing MVC2 while playing SF4 :D
Everyone has their own views and opinions on what is a "good" way to level up. Here is mine.
TBO I don't think that getting stomped by someone who is in another class will help very much in improving your game. I'm not saying that it wont, you may pick up some things here and there like "Oh so thats how you get out of that mixup." But progression may be minimal.
On the other hand, if you play people who are on a similar level to your own and regularly train with them, i think that you will level up much faster. They don't have to be exactly your level, a little bit better/lower. This way you both have a roughly even chance of beating each other and during this process, it will make you focus really hard. You are forced to up your mindgames, execution and adaptation skills quickly. But at the same time, you know in your head that you are nearly even with your opponent which also gives you confidence in knowing that you are able to win.
When me and my brother first came to NZism we were total noobs scrubbing it out on pads. But being brothers, living together and all, we got heaps of time to play with each other and we were both pretty much even. We just practiced a lot and I set goals for myself. To be able to go toe to toe with the players I looked up to. (aka Hue) And now I make another goal which is to be able to match Kevin.
Well theres my 2cents. Sorry for going off topic :(
do we have a 3rd yet bill?
I imagine that's how the Wolfe brothers became SF2 beasts, yeah.
aren't u suppose to be studying Hue?....
go study!!!
I think I have enuff of this kind of discussion, too hard to make people learn.
can't be bothered, got mroe important thigns to do than sit here and explain pages.
Excellent post andy
two thumbs up
OK, that's the considerations...
I think I'm not arrogant enuf to consider myself a good player lol
Actually when I was thinking about this matter all I had in mind was
something like Kevin, Hue and Mike team.
I mean, if its winner stays on you still have a chance albeit slim,
otherwise its pretty hard to find a team with a guy who has a chance
to beat Kevin and ANOTHER guy having a chance to beat Hue or Mike.
And when you have that team, it sucks more to be in any other teams =/
I think i'm skewed towards it, other than the freedom of strategy I talked about,
is also because I was a CS player,
it feels great when you're the one saving the team or one of your
teammate did well that instance and saved the team.
While on the other hand if its done the other way, if two of your
teammates lost the first two, it sucks to be the last one.
I think it's something like sports vs military which is last soldier
standing that counts lol
Anyway regardless of the outcome I'm gonna join with Myron the Guile guy,
we're gonna find one more guy otherwise we're gonna pair up with anyone
without a team yet on that day.
Quote from: OLEET on June 17, 2010, 02:23:14 PM
Random select is gay because you can get a shitty 8:2 matchup or something and lost just because it's uneven.
That's exactly why it's suitable for a money match. Now enough of this trivial stuff, I'm off to read through this thread about this door business.
So wait am I doing random select vs Crazy or Hue lol? I mean first to 5, so 5 character picks.
Pretty sure money matches are usually based on skeel
Im only going to say this once, and it may well be the most important thing in this thread.
At NO POINT are ANY OF YOU allowed to start a conversation like this WITHOUT BIRRY WONG.
Im extremely annoyed that i came in this late and am now unable to post a massive wall of text that addresses everybodies point and drops knowledge bombs galore. Any useful info that would normally come from an epic BIRRY WONG post has now been lost in the argument. You have all missed out.
For shame NZism. For shame.
i like the idea of all 3 people playing .
id learn alot playing a 100 game set with kevin , but playing him in one match during a tourny i learn nothing ... i just get owned one game and its over
hell even when i win , i honestly cant remember what i actually did too win , maybe to much blood flowing to my brain or sumthing .
tho i know when i have a long set against simon etc i learn heaps as after a number of matches i can see what hes taking advantage of , what things i can punish , his tendencys etc and playing casuals hes helped me out heaps like when me him and myron were there and we played bout 6 hours just us three .
never would have learnt anything just getting owned by him like i did at xlan , luckily simon was nice enough to sorta help me out in casuals .
like jacks post above i reckon you level up more with people who are similar to you in skill and you both level up together , strengthening each others games .
anyway , anyone can create a tourny and run it how they want , how come we always gotta argue bout it ?
kinda gets a bit lame .
if its each player gets a turn fine . lets just play that way for this tournament .
whoever organises the next one might wanna do it winner stays on and thats fine too .
I agree, anyone running a tournament can do whatever they like. They certainly have no obligation to take anyone else's opinion into consideration.
All I want is anyone who DOES stick their oar in to actually state the reasons behind that opinion. It's meaningless to simply have a 4-5 poll of 'winner stays on' vs 'mikado' - it's only when some actually discussion takes place that we begin to understand each other, and the community as a whole.
Quote from: zosla on June 17, 2010, 05:40:54 PM
aren't u suppose to be studying Hue?....
go study!!!
I think I have enuff of this kind of discussion, too hard to make people learn.
can't be bothered, got mroe important thigns to do than sit here and explain pages.
ya... i was supposed to study lol..... But nvm, Exam is all about luck.
And yeah, Now, i think u r right. But it worth a try though.
Guess we should just worry about ourselves first before sticking our hands out trying to help and get chopped.
And yes, please organize the tournament at any formats. I will definitely join just to support the community and for some fun.
And If you think i can help in any ways from playing casuals, please let me know, I will be more than happy to do that as well.
-_-
zzzzzzz
@ Mason & CrazyMobius: Maybe we 3 can do random select money match next Sat?? just take turn and go around. I will only play twice though coz I think losing twice is enough fun for me.
Oh ye and regarding the off-topic topic, I think if anyone wanna become good
they just have to go to places where they have to pay for each game like yifan.
Then you just have to be like imagining its my fucking last $2 every time you
put in the coins. When you lose you just have be like mothafucker! and say
to yourself, ok last last bitch. I think this the fightclub style is the sexiest.
And i've just discovered that I'm explicitly or implicitly using freedom, passion
and hope in my arguments. Next up I should probably try justice or maybe love.
Quote from: cha on June 17, 2010, 10:16:48 PM
Oh ye and regarding the off-topic topic, I think if anyone wanna become good
they just have to go to places where they have to pay for each game like yifan.
Then you just have to be like imagining its my fucking last $2 every time you
put in the coins. When you lose you just have be like mothafucker! and say
to yourself, ok last last bitch. I think this the fightclub style is the sexiest.
And i've just discovered that I'm explicitly or implicitly using freedom, passion
and hope in my arguments. Next up I should probably try justice or maybe love.
Nah....... just keep thinking Loser will have to commit suicide after the match. You will play at your best.
And how's your studying Cody? I think u have exam tomorrow? I'm ready to repeat my paper next year. Unless Lady Luck smile at me tomorrow. I would do her a big favor in return.
Tmr exam will be fine, with my current mark if all i want is a pass i just have
to go in write two sentence and get out in 5 mins.
They said its stage 3 paper but they just spent
the whole semester telling me a database is something where you store data in it.
But of course forum and restaurant city are still more attractive when the
other choice you get is looking at the damn notes!
Hey just a quick post for a partner to add to quadrupleOG and myselfs team for the 3v3 coming up. Most likely b using Guile/Rose so if anyones looking for a spot and uses a different main then hit us up. We'll be holdin screenings on xbl for suitable talent this next week. haha! na anyone on this forum will most certainly do just fine. thanks
Fuckin asians. I gotta get through by pulling out the race card now and then.
Quote from: massi4h on June 18, 2010, 01:08:48 AM
Fuckin asians. I gotta get through by pulling out the race card now and then.
You're wrong Mason, Asian style is pay cash and bribe :) LOL
Hue, I have come to a conclusion for this, don't butt in too much into things. You will be snowed with crap LOL and they are EXTREMELY SMELLY!!!
thats why I put simple reply to most post and if they get it then coolio, if they don't then whatever la, but mostly they think differently and take the words the wrong way and yeah more shit snowing hahahaha!!!
Wow, are you guys not used to discussing things? Or are you all just magically psychically linked and all share the same opinions?
From what I've heard a few people actually gained something from this particular "snow shit"
Quote from: cha on June 17, 2010, 10:58:43 PM
But of course forum and restaurant city are still more attractive when the
other choice you get is looking at the damn notes!
Wow you play Restaurant City! What level are you?
And lol at Andy's superiority complex. ;D
Quote from: CrazyMobius on June 18, 2010, 09:43:47 AM
Wow you play Restaurant City! What level are you?
And lol at Andy's superiority complex. ;D
I try too ya know!!!
Quote from: fluxcore on June 18, 2010, 09:01:15 AM
Wow, are you guys not used to discussing things? Or are you all just magically psychically linked and all share the same opinions?
From what I've heard a few people actually gained something from this particular "snow shit"
then why did u put the filter on for users who u dun want to see their post? not much better than me IMO.
I tried to put forward my thoughts but it seems as It never get through to people, so cut the crap and keep it short, if you don't get it then tough. SIMPLE :) thats life.
I would rather that I made myself understood, even if other people don't agree.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on June 18, 2010, 09:43:47 AM
Wow you play Restaurant City! What level are you?
And lol at Andy's superiority complex. ;D
Just level 13, kinda stopped after its done ->
(http://i49.tinypic.com/qytqub.jpg)
*btw I'm not gonna censor what I'm searching on the internet ATM *hides*
CODY THE ULTRALORD
Sorry Alan, the last couple pages are filled with shit now...
Edit: actually, you probably only saw this post after yours.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 18, 2010, 10:35:09 AM
CODY THE ULTRALORD
Since I'm hiding behind the firewall of uni I'll be like
BIRRY WONG
Quote from: fluxcore on June 18, 2010, 10:26:30 AM
I would rather that I made myself understood, even if other people don't agree.
Its very hard to make people understand because we all know we have a ego somewhere along the time which plays with ur mind. People need to get slapped several times until they understand because its just a waste of time trying to explain urself and what do u get at teh end of the day? time wasted and the guy probably dont want to change in the first place? even if what u say is correct\ incorrect.
can't wait to get home and play wow with a certain someone!!!
I guess I don't ever see it as a waste of time.
I also don't see "making everyone else agree with you" as the end goal every time. If that's all you're aiming for then yeah, may as well not say anything.
Sometimes you even learn some things about yourself in these discussions. If you aren't too arrogant of course.
Hate to say it but I think I'm rostered on this day. -_____________________- unless I can get a shift swap i might be out.
Sooo looks like james and I are gonna need a third!
RUMBLE! unbeleiver said that you want to join the 3v3! Holler at me on 0226460991 or flick me a PM over the forums and let me know if youre down.
1 more week people!!! GET HYPE!!!
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on June 20, 2010, 08:35:39 PM
Sooo looks like james and I are gonna need a third!
RUMBLE! unbeleiver said that you want to join the 3v3! Holler at me on 0226460991 or flick me a PM over the forums and let me know if youre down.
1 more week people!!! GET HYPE!!!
Not confirmed just yet. I'll find out if I can get the day off tomorrow.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on June 20, 2010, 10:33:37 PM
Not confirmed just yet. I'll find out if I can get the day off tomorrow.
Oh ok lol. Sorry bout that.
In other news....
GET HYYYYYPE!!!!!
so..........a third person then ;D
Simon: Any news on getting the day off. . . ??? !!!
how many teams we got confirmed anyway, does the first post need updating? :D
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on June 20, 2010, 08:35:39 PM
Sooo looks like james and I are gonna need a third!
RUMBLE! unbeleiver said that you want to join the 3v3! Holler at me on 0226460991 or flick me a PM over the forums and let me know if youre down.
1 more week people!!! GET HYPE!!!
yeah he txtd me last night... im keen!
Primo, I'm there to check it out. Are you guys going to stream it on the internet as well?
Well im keen as, just found out 2 hrs ago. fckn rats most teams are sussed out! Im tryn 2 suss a team on my friends list (psn)
Quote from: justjuce on June 21, 2010, 08:18:55 PM
Primo, I'm there to check it out. Are you guys going to stream it on the internet as well?
nah dude. We arent quite there in terms of our setups and stuff... One day though... one day
im also up for tekken 6 too..
Wrong thread Mike.
lol mike :D
Brad, just come along i'm sure tehre will be poepl who dun have a team^^
Im comin Andy... Jst tryn 2 sort a team out... Steven (I got paid) is keen so that's 2... Jst waitn bck frm my othr m8... But yes I'll b comin!!!
opps lol~~
Quote from: akuma1nz on June 22, 2010, 09:30:22 AM
Im comin Andy... Jst tryn 2 sort a team out... Steven (I got paid) is keen so that's 2... Jst waitn bck frm my othr m8... But yes I'll b comin!!!
Sweet! Steven is coming!
Yeah Mobius Steven should b comin but he ain't confirmed yet... My othr m8 has confirmed...
Only 4 days left people, get crazy!
Good games to Lenny and Scribble for the pre-3v3 offline training sesh this evening. Len you're welcome to head over on Friday evening for some more offline leveling up before the tourney my bro. :D
Anyone have a team I can join?
Quote from: Gino on June 22, 2010, 10:51:48 PM
Anyone have a team I can join?
If you come, im sure youll find one. Bring Stu.
Gino if Steven can't mke it u cn jump in wth us if u wnt2? Jst waitn 4 Steven 2 confirm...
I think people who dun have a team just coem along because there will be plenty who doesn't have a team either? then u can sort urself out then... just don't be shy :)
What time will things be being set up ? Hoping to get my team down early to get a few casuals going before the tournament and to test out my dual mod stick
Get hype!
Quote from: electric on June 23, 2010, 12:07:05 PM
and to test out my dual mod stick
And if it works you can sort me out to ay bro ;)
Im gonna get there at 11 to help set up. I think thats when Len will be there as well.
Ill be whoring the casuals as well. Gotta love how RSF timing is different on different monitors. >_> Need to get used to that shit nice and early.
Quote from: geneterror on June 23, 2010, 12:10:37 PM
And if it works you can sort me out to ay bro ;)
My mate actually did it for me - he'll be at the 3v3 and he's amazing/rugged with a soldering iron - I'll introduce you :)
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 23, 2010, 12:48:34 PM
Im gonna get there at 11 to help set up. I think thats when Len will be there as well.
Ill be whoring the casuals as well. Gotta love how RSF timing is different on different monitors. >_> Need to get used to that shit nice and early.
Sweet - I'll see if we can head in around the same time to help out/get some casuals going
^^ bring us a loud PA system... :D
Quote from: xkheretic on June 23, 2010, 01:39:16 PM
^^ bring us a loud PA system... :D
and a stripper plz :) hot one :P
thanks.
Quote from: zosla on June 23, 2010, 02:50:19 PM
and a stripper plz :) hot one :P
thanks.
Sweet as bro ill wear my thong.
I wil wear my jandal...
It better be duct taped over your junk or it wont be worth it.
& sum tape... Haha... I 2nd dat Matt... Big PA system!!! So we can hear those massive BASS ultras on!!! Dnt mke me bring mine...??? Haha...
Quote from: massi4h on June 17, 2010, 12:20:21 PM
No one beats me at random select. $20 first to 5?
1 match, first to 5 rounds. $20. I know you can use over 90% of the cast and i can only use like........ less than 5 chars. Bring it on Mason !! ^_^
Gino and myself are coming up now, it has been confirmed. So umm, still all good for team FREESUPERPIPEWATER?
Gino will need a team too
Yeah well the point was to be picking random characters, so who can use more of the cast better, not who gets lucky in one game. Cmon Hue you know first to 5 is better.
LOL....
I might not make it now :D
dont really feel like SF these days...... I wonder why -.-
Got the shift swap. Team Old School is on!
Quote from: stereomonkey on June 24, 2010, 07:47:36 AM
still all good for team FREESUPERPIPEWATER?
make up an awesome name for yourself.
Ummmm.... so are you needing a third person or not? And I don't know anything that is on the Level of your two names. I can be that other guy.
Quote from: massi4h on June 24, 2010, 08:20:10 AM
Yeah well the point was to be picking random characters, so who can use more of the cast better, not who gets lucky in one game. Cmon Hue you know first to 5 is better.
hehe...... I know you can use way more chars than me. So random select = pretty big disadvantage for me already. I would say your winning chance is above 70%. I cannot allow anymore handicap than that lol..... Unless u want a money match with over 90% winning chance.
Even though you can use more chars than me.... I'm pretty confident that I "might" learn the char which I'd be random in less than 5 rounds and beat your random char :D, but if it's only 2-3 rounds, I will lose before figuring out what's the moves & ultra for the char is...... So, I actually don't mind if we do 5 random picks, but i need 5 rounds for each match to learn the char :D And if you don't wanna depend on luck, we can do money match with our main :D I don't mind that either... hehe.....
Quote from: OLEET on June 24, 2010, 11:22:58 AM
STEREO M ARK CHARTERIS
Smoof pulls through with the goods once again... Nigga is S-Tier for sure
BIRRY WONG
RICHARD UMEHALA
STEREO M
ARK CHARTERIS
team FREESUPERPIPEWATER is sorted.
..........
Finally I have read the WHOLLLEEEEE Topic...
Lots of..... NEw.s..... and.. shit..... and... pee.... and.... shit....
o well..
Anyways..... Who am I teaming with... lol?
I only know I am coming that day.....
Dunno the time start too.. lol
Uhhhhhh....................Im pretty sure we sorted out our team weeks ago Simon................
Our team is: Jack, Simon and Graeme.
I'll do 5 round games if you want Hue, it'd just take ages. I'm not main battling you lol. You are the sole person who has consistently beaten since I first played SF4.
Quote from: massi4h on June 24, 2010, 09:07:01 PM
I'll do 5 round games if you want Hue, it'd just take ages. I'm not main battling you lol. You are the sole person who has consistently beaten since I first played SF4.
hehe..... Then we should just do best 2/3 matches for 5 rounds :D It will take as long as first to 5 matches for 2/3 rounds.
Hey can we get an update on which teams are sorted for Saturday?
Massi4h, Skullator and ScribbleART
Bordering on too hype for this weekend.
Hmm whatever, but that means you might get lucky with 2 characters.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on June 24, 2010, 10:47:21 PM
Hey can we get an update on which teams are sorted for Saturday?
As follows:
Team Oldskool: Lenny, CrazyMobius, Hydro
Team Raging Emo Sluts: Chuckarello, Nate, Electric
Team BWMD: Massi4h, Skullator, ScribbleART
Team The Darkness!!!: IR UM BLE, Optimus Dave, Iron(cheap)SOL
Team Bolo Vanaka: SimonFISH, Jacksmash, GeneTerror
Team FREESUPERPIPEWATER: BIRRY WONG, Samurai(very)Black, Stero M.....ark Charteris
Team K-Dizzle: TooMeke, B1ackstarNinja, Smoof
I have updated the OP as well. Also people that I think are attending are;
Tony, Cody, Myron, Gino, Hue, Kevin, Fong, Andy, The Coldfire Boys. So there are more teams there.
Looking good Lenny
Also, Brads team will be there too, so there's definitely going to be at least 8 - does this mean we'll be running it double elim like the OP suggests ?
UPDATE!:]
Team Oldskool: Lenny, CrazyMobius, Hydro
Team Raging Emo Sluts: Chuckarello, Nate, Electric
Team BWMD: Massi4h, Skullator, ScribbleART
Team The Darkness!!!: IR UM BLE, Optimus Dave, Iron(cheap)SOL
Team Bolo Vanaka: SimonFISH, Jacksmash, GeneTerror
Team FREESUPERPIPEWATER: BIRRY WONG, Samurai(very)Black, Stero M.....ark Charteris
Team K-Dizzle: TooMeke, B1ackstarNinja, Smoof
Team VIOLENT GUYS!: Gankatron, XPunch, Delerious or wickedways or iWicked or whatever the hell h calls himself now.
I have updated the OP as well. Also people that I think are attending are;
Tony, Cody, Myron, Gino, Hue, Kevin, Andy, The Coldfire Boys, TommyHarmonic, Quadruple OG.
DVS and Buda!?!?! You guys gonna come along?
Seriously Everyone should come and enter this... its gonna be fucking epic.
Oh sorry electric.
Tourney will def be double elim.
ill turn up with Kevin, Hue, Jack, Simonfish, iMagento and Richard.
As they have confirmed with me.
Locked and Loaded ;D ;D ;D
Team twenty something: cody, myron, hue(or random pair if he can't find a substitute for his original team that day)
btw: tony probably not gonna join, out of town
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on June 25, 2010, 01:01:00 PM
UPDATE!:]
Team Oldskool: Lenny, CrazyMobius, Hydro
Team Raging Emo Sluts: Chuckarello, Nate, Electric
Team BWMD: Massi4h, Skullator, ScribbleART
Team The Darkness!!!: IR UM BLE, Optimus Dave, Iron(cheap)SOL
Team Bolo Vanaka: SimonFISH, Jacksmash, GeneTerror
Team FREESUPERPIPEWATER: BIRRY WONG, Samurai(very)Black, Stero M.....ark Charteris
Team K-Dizzle: TooMeke, B1ackstarNinja, Smoof
Team VIOLENT GUYS!: Gankatron, XPunch, Delerious or wickedways or iWicked or whatever the hell h calls himself now.
I have updated the OP as well. Also people that I think are attending are;
Tony, Cody, Myron, Gino, Hue, Kevin, Andy, The Coldfire Boys, TommyHarmonic, Quadruple OG.
DVS and Buda!?!?! You guys gonna come along?
Seriously Everyone should come and enter this... its gonna be fucking epic.
i'll go as wicked wayz ;D
i'll roll with whoever tomorrrow since my mob can't attent.
I know we'll get an answer tomorrow at any rate but are we doing (method 1) static team order, as in, team order decided at the beginning of the tournament? Or are we electing to have the (method 2) 'change team order' before each battle begins (then letting a judge know the intended order of players) or are we going totally on the fly and just (method 3) 'playing any order pretty much decided after each match' styles?
Just a heads up is all. :D Personally I prefer method 1, but method 2 is also good, as long as it's enforced/recorded fairly. Method 3 is probably going to cause the most counter-player drafting and time wasting etc, so I'm not keen on it really, but you guys make the rules.
At any rate, hyped as I can be for this! :D
this is looking real epic, might come along to watch, unless someone is missing a rog' in their team then i could be a sub :)
I say save time and get str8 to the point using method 1.
im thinking that method 2 will cause some sort of chaos where some teams will be all in a fuss picking who should go 1st and what not.
and method 3 is just bolos
Quote from: K123_iy on June 25, 2010, 06:27:03 PM
this is looking real epic, might come along to watch, unless someone is missing a rog' in their team then i could be a sub :)
For sure dude. Its gonna be epic! ANd there is surely to be a spot for anyone wanting to enter.
imagneto is coming
I suggest we hold the Money matches just before the final in the teams so it would go somethinglike this:
Hue vs Mason - Random select money match.
Birry Wong vs Skullator - Ultimate Grudge Money match.
3 vs 3 Team Grand final match.
Wouldn't that be hype?
Man this is like WWF Survivor Series of old! Varied teams, captains, managers, money matches. . . .
can't wait!!!! :D
BIRRY WONG WINS THE MONEY MATCH 1ST to 5
WONG - 5
SKULL - 3
GGS
So much hype, was a good day all around heaps of laughs and heaps of top notch gameplay ;D ;D
shot jacksmash, simonfishyfishy and geneterror on 1st place 60bucks each ggs boyz.
Cheers for the results, Team Stacked won, whodathunkit :)
Good one BIll.......lol
First event I tagged along to, ggs played and watched, nice meeting some of you in person.
ggs to everyone. It was fun. The pause at the final match was pretty sad :( but shit happened.......
I would like to say a big thanks to the organizers and Congratulation to SimonStupidFish, Jacksmash & GeneTerror for winning the tournament.
Also, I felt pretty bad for Cody that he couldn't join coz of me. Our team had 4 members so we had to make a tough decision. It was pretty gay. Otherwise, we would be able to see Ibuki in actions.
FYI, the money match between me & Mason didn't happen coz everyone left right after Bill vs Skullator's match AND THE MOST DISAPPOINTING THING IS NOBODY COMMIT SUICIDE AFTER THE MATCH, I even brought my camera with me this time..................... :( Anyway, I guess nobody interests in our random select matches..... So I talked to Mason and we agreed to do it next time when someone wanna see it happens (probably never lol).
I wanted to upload the money match between Bill and Skullator on youtube tonight so that everyone can see it but unfortunately the file is too big. It's over 1gb and I compressed it to less than 200MB but still..... I'm uploading it on youtube and it says 4 hours waiting time. So I guess we won't see it on youtube till tomorrow.
I've got a few pictures here as well but dunno how to post it so I will just save it for next time. gotta take a rest now, my hp is low.
P.S : I'm using Orcon and apparently the internet connection is pretty shit these days. Keep dropping like at least 10 times/day so I'm not even sure if the vids will be up by tomorrow. But I will leave my PC on all night and see how it goes.
Cheers for the vid work hue, much appreciated (no matter when it turns up)
Hey Hue....
DONT BE TOO SAD ON CODY....
WE ALL CHIP INTO HIM!!!!...
HE IS THE MOST WEALTHIST on the day...... He got more than ME! lol
Quote from: ABC_SMN on June 27, 2010, 01:05:48 AM
Hey Hue....
DONT BE TOO SAD ON CODY....
WE ALL CHIP INTO HIM!!!!...
HE IS THE MOST WEALTHIST on the day...... He got more than ME! lol
it's not about money la..... I don't think he cares about money anyway....... he spent almost 10 hours at giga doing nothing. and he got $50 at the end. That's $5/hour...... even worse than cleaning the toilet. Not to mention giganet charges you $2-3/hour for using internet. But nvm, what is done is done.
And It was the main reason that I performed pretty well today. If I lose too early, it would be meaningless for Cody to give up his game for me and I might be the one that commit suicide after the match...... lol, I kept thinking I cannot lose here no matter what and I'm pretty happy that our team went that far. ^_^
gratzs to the boys^^ where is my share simon!!!! I hope u took my money for me :)
mm I just got home not long and its 5 am... very tiring :(
Biggie ups to everyone! Congrats to the winners, looking forward to the next one for sure! :D
It was a great day for sure - shot Lenny for putting it together
Highlight of the day for me was the Umehala OCV - soooooooo beast!!!
Quote from: electric on June 27, 2010, 08:24:44 AM
It was a great day for sure - shot Lenny for putting it together
Highlight of the day for me was the Umehala OCV - soooooooo beast!!!
Oh yeah. For those that didn't know, Richard took out our whole team. In way losing was almost worth it.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on June 27, 2010, 08:31:24 AM
Oh yeah. For those that didn't know, Richard took out our whole team. In way losing was almost worth it.
Agreed, I don't know what the fuck happened. ??? It's said that a good tradesman doesn't blame his tools but man the set-up felt laggy, worse than that actually, like it would just gobble up inputs and spit nothing out. I didn't do a single combo, that makes me scrub tier. Apparently it's no lag at all, but I've just hooked up the old t.v this morning (lag free) and hit training mode and there's nothing I can't hit lag free, it feels the same as my lcd, no missed c.mp with Rose. . . seriously, wtf was up with that?
alas i too absolutely failed yesterday , i hit one combo all day on that setup .
i know theres sposed to be no lag on that setup but goddam i suck on it .
like hydro this morning , i just started rocking my xbox on my 29" sony crt and plays just like my lcd bravaia , so i dont really understand if they have no lag why i am su shit on the lagless one at gigga .
didnt have any trouble on bens crt either the weekend before , maybe i should retire lol
if ben or anyone else wants to bring a crt , i have totally done a 360 and will play on crt rather than the monitors at gigga .
oh yes , after my rage post congrats to the winners and also player of the day goes to richard umehalas chunli .
epic stuff blackula hunter 8)
Don't know what you're talking about. I didn't see Richard Umehala dropping links that weren't totally deliberate resets.
oh man, yesterday was heaps of fun.
big thanks for lenny for getting the tourney sorted. super stoked with my miracle victory and that it resulted in a free feed at kfc courtesy of smoof :D
just sad i couldnt manage to eke out a win vs andy. didnt care if i lost to the rest of the team :D
Fuck Richard 'Beast' Umehala was the highlight of the tournament definitely. That was the most epic shit.
Tournament was fun, its a shame after our first win we got the 2 teams that came 2nd and 3rd but that's how it goes.
I also gotta say Smoof was pretty on point, and you 3 getting 4th was pretty epic.
Also big ups to my team Skull and Scrib, Skull vs Bill was so epic. And real big thanks to Scrib for paying for our team.
Shot Lenny once again for the organising and anyone else who helped out.
Once again thank you to everyone for coming. Although I am very dissapointed in how I played yesterday, it was a fucking awesome day. I have to get a couple of things off my chest though that were annoying yesterday before I talk more about the good points:
-Button checks should be done by both players pressing rematch. This might seem minor, But I swear to god more than half the button checks people would go all the way to the character select, pick thier characters, go back into the game, button check, and then character select again. At 70 odd games for the tournament, with at least half of them as douche button checks youre looking at an extra 40 odd minuutes on the event, not to mention the arsefaces that decide its fucking practice mode and waste more time. Once again you might think it's anal, but at 10 dollars an hour, and an hour extra time to the event, as an organiser it becomes tedious to say the least.
-The casual setup. I have to take partial blame for this cause in honesty I should have just walked over and shut it down, but it was really dissapointing at the end of the night, after I had said several times that the tourney wasn't covering the extra setup that people played on it didn't contribute to paying for it at the end of the night. Mason, Hue, Bill, and Stu in particular and other people that contributed last night all deserve big ups for helping pay for the $90-00 setup.
Other than that big ups to everyone that came. Some great matches. Really would like to do this again if other people are interested. Congrats to the top 3 of course you really deserve, at my belated respect for the legendery Umehala for OCV'ing my team last night. You beat me down fair and square, but motherfucker you are mine next tournament!!!
TBH I found it difficult last night as well with some of my inputs, went home and tried my CRT and did fine with my shit. I dont know if its the pressure from the tourney or what, but it seemed weird. Def try that setup again for ranbats and see if its any different. big ups to Skull and Bill as well for providing incredible entertainment.
Man I don't know what else to say other than:
-Shit is too awesome and we need to do more tourneys
-I'm so hungry to get better at this game
ggs to every one, awesome stuff. highlight of the day for me was when my team knocked out lennys team, that's right lenny, that's what you get for giving us that crappy team name ;D haha
p.s abel ultra 2 breaks my balls
Quote from: The Lenny 2.0 on June 27, 2010, 11:49:57 AM
Man I don't know what else to say other than:
-Shit is too awesome and we need to do more tourneys
-I'm so hungry to get better at this game
After yesterday yes the tourney was awesome. One of the major highlights for me was the Rick Flair woo's when Zangief did his chop.
As far as getting better at this game I got pretty discouraged after playing on that setup. And my poor showing. I'm not complaining as I don't know enough about the tech side of things but I think I'm not gonna take this game so seriously now as honestly even if the controls were tip top there's no way I could have touched Fong or Ben's boxer.
TBH one of my biggest inpsirations was seeing Bill's Fuerte in action. Hype aside I'm really impressed with how he took a difficult character to learn, stuck with him and managed to really put on an impressive show as the Main Event at the tourney.
Can we have the team list/brackets?
(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/8568/3v3p.jpg) (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/3v3p.jpg/)
Team OldSchool
Lenny Sim, James Rose, CrazyMob Blanka
Team Small Diddles
GeneTerror Bison, Jacksmash Akuma, SimonFISH Abel
Team Rush
Richard Guile, Myron Rufus, Hue Viper
Team Lennys Nuts
Fong Boxer, XPunch Dudley, Wicked Gief
Team No Correct Change
Stu Bison, Richard Chun, IllBill Elf
Team Brad is Lazy
Matt Guy, Brad Akuma, Danni Cammy
Team Raging Emo SLuts
Electric Abel, nate Cammy, Charles Akuma
Team Ultra Destroeys of Avalon
Gino Blanka, Steve Chun, Ivan Rog
Team World of Wicked Wings
Ben Rog, Euan Ken, Smoof Sagat
Team Newbies
Mike Dic, Andy Ryu, Kevin Gief
Team BWMD
Skull Chun, Mason Akuma, Scrib Cammy
Team IronRumbleDave
Dave Cody, Sol Honda, Rumble Guile
I also found the setup to be.. um crap LOL, it was not till the last game when i actually started to get use to the freaking thing -.- just feels weird considering a no lag setup :)
at one point I felt like punching the damn monitor !!!! lol.
Yeah I definitely think people will need a few more practice games to get used to the setup, but from what I understand there isn't actually anything wrong with it. If the next few ranbats/whatever other tournament are on it hopefully that will suffice to get people warmed up to it, because I doubt we'll have much opportunity for long practices during nats...
Yeah I still am not sure about it. If it is tested to be no lag, maybe splitting it to the projector makes it first feed to the projector, then the monitor or something?
Although Ben's team came 4th and I know Ben always plays CRT and I didn't hear any lag complaints from him :/
Quote from: massi4h on June 27, 2010, 01:38:20 PM
Yeah I still am not sure about it. If it is tested to be no lag, maybe splitting it to the projector makes it first feed to the projector, then the monitor or something?
Although Ben's team came 4th and I know Ben always plays CRT and I didn't hear any lag complaints from him :/
Lets just keep going for now. TBH we just need to get used to it I reckon.
People keen to do another 3v3? I wouldn't mind doing another one for sure.
I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but According to our boys who participated in EVO APAC in Aus, they said the setup has a bit delay so that everyone there could perform at their best and even Daigo didn't played on a lag free setup and we could see our boys didn't miss combo as much as our tournaments (so I don't think it's the pressure problem).
A lag free setup is great only if EVERYONE feels comfortable with it. But as far as i know, almost everyone including top players have pretty bad experience with the lag free and could not perform at their best. In fact, whenever a tournament is about to start, the first thing that top players are worrying is not about their opponents, nor the match-ups, It's the lag less setup.
While having a lag free setup would be great. I think having a tournament where everyone can perform at their bests would be better. I've seen many players just stood still doing nothing in the middle of the combo string. And many players who has over 95% chance of execution hard combos can't even perform a normal combo. So far, all we've seen in our tournaments are basic combos, nothing impressive.... all the top players have the fear of screwing up their timing and eat an ultra/a painful combo in their faces due to the lag free setup. Maybe a small delay is designed for the game so that our brain/eyes/reactions can sync with the input more effectively. I don't know.
But anyway, my question is Why can't we have a tournament where everyone can perform at their bests and feel most comfortable with ??
P.s : I'm not complaining or anything, it's all good to me tbh. If I play on a machine which I feel comfortable with, I can go for crazier mix-up and combos and give more entertainment to everyone. Otherwise, I would just stick to the most basic & safe combo and still win/lose the match.
As one of the top 10 players, I want to say that winning or losing has never been an important factor to us. We only participate in the tournament to horn up our own skills and enjoy the show with everyone else. So please don't take my comments as "I blame on the setup and want to win more matches"
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 27, 2010, 03:13:11 PM
But anyway, my question is Why can't we have a tournament where everyone can perform at their bests and feel most comfortable with ??
Because it's impossible.
Also, do you actually realise what you're actually asking for? You want less time to react to throws, less time to react to whiffs, and less time to react for punishes. If you were asking for this in a tekken community you would be laughed out of the community. Most characters in tekken have different punishment options by 1 FRAME and if you specifically add in input lag, suddenly lots of moves become much much more difficult to punish or have far poorer realistic punishment options than are the theoretical best.
Additionally, anyone who isn't using animation cues for every single hit of their combo will NOT be adversely affected by input lag - the timing between hits is EXACTLY the same. Input lag on the monitor doesn't magically change the speed of the game, or make the console slow down, only what you SEE is different. The only time where this falls down is differences in overall game speed, which is so miniscule between xbox and ps3 as to be practically non-existent (and yes this has been shown running the setups side by side).
As I've said before, all people need to do is take a little bit of time getting used to each setup before matches. I think you'll find getting used to a lag-free setup is well worthwhile, because you can actually start to play the game as it is intended. You know, by the developers, not by a bunch of people that have played at their house or at some arcade for a while.
Awesome tourney guys!
GGs to everyone. Had a lot close as games eh especially vsing Andy. Sorry bro i felt sooooo bad for winning like that. :( You can beast me next time!
Shout outs in particularly to Simon for being MVP of our team and taking the Grand Finals for us.
Epic money match Skullator & Bill, some pretty leet stuff. You guys provided with awesome entertainment- Rematch!!?
And of course to Mr. UMEHALA. Shit man your OCV action was the highlight of the day bro!
On the setup note, I don't think we will ever get a setup that everyone will be happy with. There will always be disparities in opinions and people will always think that it is either too laggy or doesn't feel right.
So why not have an NZISM standard setup? One that we will always be using for every tournament. If we set this standard then players will know that we will be using it for every tournament and it will encourage them to obtain a similar setup and get use to it. It will be the players' fault for not being able to play properly on the standard setup and therefore, hopefully there won't be any debate.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 27, 2010, 03:30:20 PM
only what you SEE is different.
only ?? ONLY ???
Okay...... First of all, you need to know Playing in tournament is different than playing in training mode.
In training mode, you can do combo with only one hand and close your eyes coz the input is
EXACTLY the same. But in tournament, you will need more than 2 hands and your eyes if you want to do combo effectively. Not sure if you know what i mean.
And you said just have a couple of matches before the tournament to get used to the lag free setup ?? Are you serious ?? If
NONE of the top players can adapt to it, do you think you can ??
But I guess your reply answered half of my question.
So it's basically a: "No, I don't care if nobody can play at their bests, you need to get used to the lag free setup."
My answer will be : "Fuck that, I will just stick to basic combos and own the scrubs."
thanks for your reply. Have a nice day !! ^_^
and Btw, this is a very old discussion already so I really don't want to dig it up, I had my question answered so it's all good. Let it be whatever it is. It's just my 2 cents ^_^
Ive put the $ match on FB & youtube HUE, my footage is not the best cauz i was far away but its on there. Man thats a long time to upload your VID footage? If i was sitting on the sofa my phone would take GREAT footage as god as a camera and it only takes me a lil while to upload it! haha fckn show off!!! so boys check it out...
The way of the future ;D
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/TVs/Standard/CRT/21-53cm-and-under/auction-298209163.htm
just kidding...well :)
Yeah Jack that sounds like the perfect answer... Have 1 setup we use in all the tourney'z & if u lose its your fault!!! As for lag/lag free it felt diff alright but no excuse for me, just have to get way BETTER!!!
Short of buying all the equipment myself there is no way we can have a 'standard' setup, so no, that is completely out of the question.
the most epic moment imo was when kevin did a lariat the moment jacks' sweep reached,
and beated it, i was gonna yell holy shit reflex but everyone else was like its business as usual lol
Quote from: akuma1nz on June 27, 2010, 04:04:28 PM
Yeah Jack that sounds like the perfect answer... Have 1 setup we use in all the tourney'z & if u lose its your fault!!! As for lag/lag free it felt diff alright but no excuse for me, just have to get way BETTER!!!
lag/lag free has little to almost no effect to the outcome of the match. It just feel pretty sad that we cannot play at our bests. And it's an embarrassing to show the world NZ levels from those tournament matches where everyone is missing their combos or not using full damage combo effectively. That's why even though I had my camera, I didn't want to record the matches and put it on youtube coz I know it would be horrible to see. Even the Grand Final Level is no where near our casuals so No, there's no point recording it. BUT THE MONEY MATCH IS DIFFERENT !!! IT'S TOO HYPE TO BE MISSED !!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 27, 2010, 03:55:23 PM
Okay...... First of all, you need to know Playing in tournament is different than playing in training mode.
I think this is the answer to pretty much all the points you've been raising tbh, lol
QuoteIn training mode, you can do combo with only one hand and close your eyes coz the input is EXACTLY the same. But in tournament, you will need more than 2 hands and your eyes if you want to do combo effectively. Not sure if you know what i mean.
No, I absolutely don't. Are you saying the game itself changes because you've put a bunch of people around it and aren't playing it at your house?
QuoteAnd you said just have a couple of matches before the tournament to get used to the lag free setup ?? Are you serious ?? If NONE of the top players can adapt to it, do you think you can ??
If they are unable to understand the BENEFIT of a BETTER setup, let alone get used to it, then I question them being "top players" in any sense.
Quote
and Btw, this is a very old discussion already so I really don't want to dig it up, I had my question answered so it's all good. Let it be whatever it is. It's just my 2 cents ^_^
lol, could have fooled me.
Quote from: cha on June 27, 2010, 04:12:49 PM
the most epic moment imo was when kevin did a lariat the moment jacks' sweep reached,
and beated it, i was gonna yell holy shit reflex but everyone else was like its business as usual lol
nah, the most epic moment is when Sol E.Honda did ex.headbutt at almost no range to my no health Viper and I "reacted" to it with an ultra. It's beyond-godlike reaction. That's why nobody surprises at Kevin beyond-human reaction.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 27, 2010, 04:18:25 PM
blah blah blah............
I don't care ^_^ let it be whatever it is.
rofl
You sure talk a lot of rubbish for someone that doesn't care.
*edited*
Peace out ;D
No more arguments. ^_^
Everyone was mucking up on the day. But ultimately, i found that my reactions were a lot better on a lag free setup. I teched more throws, and scored a lot more counter hits than i normally would have done.
Look at the examples Hue and Cody listed as high points:
Quote from: cha on June 27, 2010, 04:12:49 PM
the most epic moment imo was when kevin did a lariat the moment jacks' sweep reached,
and beated it, i was gonna yell holy shit reflex but everyone else was like its business as usual lol
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 27, 2010, 04:18:43 PM
nah, the most epic moment is when Sol E.Honda did ex.headbutt at almost no range to my no health Viper and I "reacted" to it with an ultra. It's beyond-godlike reaction. That's why nobody surprises at Kevin beyond-human reaction.
If we had been playing on our usual setup, these probably would not have even been possible, and the matches would have gone the other way. I think this is the biggest point in favour of a lagless setup.
YES, i dropped my combos, so did everyone. We are allowed to be annoyed. But i whole heartedly agree with sticking with the setup we used at the 3v3. Learning the timing for your combos again sucks, but its a lot easier than trying to adjust to delay, and missing epic shit like Hues ultra vs headbutt, or kevins lariat. On a laggy setup, awesome shit like that simply doesn't happen.
If youre used to lag, then no lag is bad for your combos. BUT no lag is much MUCH better for your reactions. Like i say, i would rather have better reactions than better combos. Nothing annoys me more than teching a throw on a laggy setup, and having the lag fuck me up and miss my tech. That didnt happen half as much on saturday, so im backing that setup 100%.
You will all listen to me and agree, because i am BIRRY WONG.
Like Flux/Bill have said, dropping combos will happen when you're playing on a set up you aren't used to... If you play on CRT's, a laggy set up will smoke your combos, if you play on a dirty ass 42" plasma (like me), a lagless set up will smoke your combos.
There's nothing you can do about this, but get used to the set up the games will be run on.
Today, I pulled a dusty, 20" CRT out of the garage and plugged it in. It took 5 minutes. Then, I jumped in to training mode and started practicing my combos (yes, they're 1 frame links) - I was hitting them consistently within another 5 minutes.
I can say without a doubt that I won't be switching back to the Plasma unless I have no alternative. It really is THAT much better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres
QuoteThe time between the gun and first kick against the starting block is measured electronically, via sensors built in the gun and the blocks. A reaction time less than 0.1 s is considered a false start. The 0.1-second interval accounts for the sum of the time it takes for the sound of the starter's pistol to reach the runners' ears, and the time it takes to react to it.
SSFIV fps: 60
Akuma Sweep startup: 6 frames = 0.1s / 100ms
Gief Lariat startup: 4 frames = 67ms
100 - 67 = 33ms
Tendon reflex that happens before its processed by the brain: 30ms
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O128-reactiontime.html
um... conclusion: i got too much time
I thought you were gonna say conclusion = Fluke lol
I think we need at least more practice on that setup. I really do find I generally take about half an hour before I can play on my tournament level in SF. That casual setup probably made it worse, but I felt real good on it for some reason...
I think near the end of me vs Jack I started it adapt, but by then it was too late (but I did beat jack with the akumacopter yaaaa).
Quote from: electric on June 27, 2010, 07:08:52 PM
Like Flux/Bill have said, dropping combos will happen when you're playing on a set up you aren't used to... If you play on CRT's, a laggy set up will smoke your combos, if you play on a dirty ass 42" plasma (like me), a lagless set up will smoke your combos.
There's nothing you can do about this, but get used to the set up the games will be run on.
Today, I pulled a dusty, 20" CRT out of the garage and plugged it in. It took 5 minutes. Then, I jumped in to training mode and started practicing my combos (yes, they're 1 frame links) - I was hitting them consistently within another 5 minutes.
I can say without a doubt that I won't be switching back to the Plasma unless I have no alternative. It really is THAT much better.
. . . . .doing this also, IMO this is a must to prep for the Nationals, or the next 3v3 if we're having one before then. :D
Well if 'game mode' on my samsung doesn't help with the lag difference I guess I have no hope in tournament play. I'm not about to buy an old TV just to play SF. (Those things are huge.) Just like I'm never going to buy an Xbox just to get a better connection. Oh well that's life I guess.
In other news the NZ community is a lot more pleasant when people stop trying to condescend others or try not to make them feel like shit. One thing I've really seen at the recent live events is the coming together of the community and people leaving their Egos at the door, which is awesome. Props to everyone who left their message board BS at home. It's a real shame though to be on such a positive note after an event like this and to come back online to see petty bickering and negativity again. It's a real downer and I hope one day we can gain a little more humility.
Awesome time, big thanks to the organizers. I had heaps of fun despite my terrible performance and crippling nerves, hopefully I'll do better next time lol. It was really good to catch up with some of the boys again. Special thanks to Mason for being so awesome and Bill and Skull for the post tourney entertainment. Congratz to the winners and to Richard for the crazy ocv, looking foward to the next event.
Man, wish I could have been there. Sounded like it was a blast! :) Maybe team chch next year? At least we'll have some chch folks at nationals.
Munta pass this message on about the lagless set ups to anyone down South that doesn't read this board. It would be a crying shame for someone to buy a plane ticket for the weekend only to find out the controls feel totally different. If in doubt they can read the threads on this board to learn how to prepare for the day.
That goes the same for anyone else outside of AKl if you know anyone that's planning on travelling up.
By the looks of previous tourney pictures it looks like they already play their matches on crt's. So if that continues they should be fine :)
Quote from: stereomonkey on June 27, 2010, 11:30:09 PM
By the looks of previous tourney pictures it looks like they already play their matches on crt's. So if that continues they should be fine :)
Nope. We play on ps3s on Sony 32 inch LCDs that are native 720p which is lucky, since it avoids the upscaling most tvs have to do to the ps3 image reducing lagg.
Honestly though, lagg isn't all that much of an issue for us. We just kinda make do. We do try and get a couple of casuals in before the event, adjust and keep going. We play alot of casuals on lagg free monitors and lcd tvs with a bit of lagg every Friday anyway.
For the timezone sf4 tourney we had to switch from arcade cab to laptop running sf4 just to accommodate pad warriors.
You kind of have to find a middle ground and logically the least lagg the better, which is what the nzism staff have tried to achieve.
I have played on the setup last time I was up there I think. I did notice a difference in the timing from my home setup, but I also noticed a difference between the casual setup as well. I think my problem I think was that I wasn't used to no lagg.
I'm really trying to stay out of this whole lagg debate, but I personally think it's impossible for a tournament to have the same setup as every player has at home.
Quote from: CrazyMobius on June 27, 2010, 10:53:29 PM
In other news the NZ community is a lot more pleasant when people stop trying to condescend others or try not to make them feel like shit. One thing I've really seen at the recent live events is the coming together of the community and people leaving their Egos at the door, which is awesome. Props to everyone who left their message board BS at home. It's a real shame though to be on such a positive note after an event like this and to come back online to see petty bickering and negativity again. It's a real downer and I hope one day we can gain a little more humility.
Yeah.... it's all my fault.... I'm sorry guys. my bad habit >.< I always "rush down" too much...... I will try my best to fix it.
And I won't question about this lagging debate anymore.
Quote from: CptMunta on June 27, 2010, 11:02:30 PM
Man, wish I could have been there. Sounded like it was a blast! :) Maybe team chch next year? At least we'll have some chch folks at nationals.
Maybe we can do National tournament + 3vs3 tournament at the same time like the AUS EVO APAC ?? Or maybe we can do it a day after the National tournament so that everyone can recover their "hp" ?? I think It would save time/money/troubles for people outside AKL if we do it on the same day or a day after.
I wonder how cold is CHCH these days as I will be there in 4 hours....... Hope i can survive. ^_^
edited* : NVM, I forgot that we are running multiple tournaments this time.
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 28, 2010, 04:55:14 AM
I wonder how cold is CHCH these days as I will be there in 4 hours....... Hope i can survive. ^_^
edited* : NVM, I forgot that we are running multiple tournaments this time.
You're more than welcome to come to our mashup this Friday bro :) pmed you the details.
Also feel free to post in the Christchurch thread if you are keen for casuals against our players in the week.
Hue its pretty cold down there... colder than Auckland atleast.
Well it took me about 3-4 games to get use to that damn setup for the 3v3 lol... it was only when I played Simonfish and Jack in the semi finals where I could actually do a few combos -.- grrr.
I personally think the setup I have at home is as good as the one we had in EVO APAC because myself, Fong and Jack had no problems at all performing anything with those and these setups have been proven by the OZ guys.
All in all, if we ARE going towards the so call lagless setup then of course we will have to start adapting to it... though it won't help to adapt to such a setup and go to other big events and say, your setup is laggy :) har har har.
It would be great to have another 3v3 if you want to organize it... but I do advise not to have it on the same day as nationals... you will all be sick trust me, myself, Fong adn Jack were totally exausted after the main tournament in EVO APAC and 3v3 after that didn't freaking help lol. So either do it the next day or another date b4/ after it.
chika chika chooo choooo
STRAIT THE FUCK UP
RICHARD UMEHALA IN THE FUCKIN BUILDING
was so epic haha....
big ups to lenny the len doggy dog meister for finising the tourney even tho he was immensly salted out :P
sorry to my awesome team, i let us down....but next time for reals....IronRumbleDave to the maxx with 2 x's
another one, another one, another one, another one
Quote from: Optimus DAVE on June 28, 2010, 10:15:14 AM
STRAIT THE FUCK UP
RICHARD UMEHALA IN THE FUCKIN BUILDING
UMEHALA!
Im not gonna comment anymore on the lag issues, but i have to agree with Andy that a 3v3 on the same day as nationals might be pushing our resources a little far.
UMEHALA
UMEHALAAAAAAAAAA
So how did people find mikado style team tourney?
Especially the people that were so vocal against it beforehand.
that format for a 3v3 is perfect .
everyone gets to play and is a much better event to watch matches in my opinion .
Quote from: fluxcore on June 28, 2010, 11:14:08 AM
So how did people find mikado style team tourney?
Especially the people that were so vocal against it beforehand.
It was perfect, too bad i don't get to join bcoz i'm too good at rock paper scissor game lol
Actually it was just misunderstanding, I thought its gg for you no matter you win or loss after one game, that would definitely suck, someone should've bold the ORDERING SYSTEM, and told me to STFU
I apologize for that.
However, sadly, our conversation still holds even if you take that I was speaking against the system as it is now, since 95% of it wasn't about the system itself anyway =/
It had to be said that opposite opinion should be handled without aggression or passive aggression, that's what turns things into negativity, not the opinion itself
To be fair it's pretty hard to tell in which ways people have misunderstood things if all they say is "I vote the other system".
Exactly, all you get would be "I vote the other system" when you handle it with aggression.
I'd have thought it would be pretty hard to be aggressive without posting about a subject, but perhaps I'm just that good.
I suppose I could have said "well actually mikado format is used by several team tournaments" rather than just "I guess you haven't seen many team tournaments then" as a response to your "I vote winner stays on because all the tournaments I've seen are like that" but you've been known to post some pretty antagonistic things and I tend to reply in kind.
I acknowledge that this may not be the most constructive way to approach things, but sometimes the volume of crap just gets to a guy, and I guess I apologise for that.
Quote from: CptMunta on June 28, 2010, 06:33:11 AM
You're more than welcome to come to our mashup this Friday bro :) pmed you the details.
Also feel free to post in the Christchurch thread if you are keen for casuals against our players in the week.
I'm staying at Phoenix Motel, near Fonterra Clandeboye as i need to do my project there. I'm not sure if I have time to go for SSF4 tbh........ we are very busy at this point and i don't think that i can sneak out to play SSF4 coz my schedule is packed from 7am till 9pm. And Friday i'm leaving at 4pm. So ggs....... maybe i will play on PSN once i get back to Auckland. At first I was planning for some casuals at night but my boss want me to work at night right after i finish my job at Fonterra grrrrr.......
And yeah, It's pretty cold down here. Very quiet as well.... i love it..... I'm getting old lol.........
about the tournament format, I will simply say it's misunderstanding like Cody has said.
And let's get over this tournament format & delay debates already. We really don't care. I've got a better solution for ourselves so I will talk to the group once i get back AKL. I believe we will never talk about the delay thingy again so be whatever it is.
And let me apologize for the misunderstanding. Now please let everything go and build the community.
All good
best of luck with whatever you're planning