Guys,
In the process of organizing the next Tournament.
Would like some feedbacks about the rules and format of last Tournament.
I am especially interested in the two rules below.
1: One character for the entire Tournament ( Japanese style )
My Opinion on this one is good, I like it since it don't cuase confusion during the games waiting for peopel to counter pick etc.
2: Banning Seth/Gouken.
I think both these characters are not balanced along with most of the console characters. Either have them in and have fun or just banning them overall.
either way, those are my thoughts.
/discuss.
1. I can understand why we had this rule but after the last tourney the one issue i thought that was pretty boring was having sooo many ryu, ken, and boxers. While in japan they have loads of people playing loads of different characters, here I think that any chance we can have to make our tournaments diverse we should take. Being able to pick any character imo opinion lead to us seeing some more diverse matchups. In my honest opinion we should look to start using the same rules that OZhadou use (which are mirrored from evo rules) as that is the next step we will need to take in terms of going international. The ozhadou rules are that you can pick whatever character, and that if you are worried about counter picking both players can agree to double blind. Counter picking in street fighter IV is becoming a moot point anyway due to the fact that the game is so balanced. If you want to reallistically do well with a character you need to learn your match ups anyway.
2. Gouken and Seth are no longer banned in overseas tournaments, so I see no point in banning them here. Neither of them are OP to the point that a character has needed to be OP in order for them to be banned in the past. (eg: SSF2T akuma, 3S Gill, HD Remix Akuma). Once again, the game is very well balanced, and I would have to disagree with you making the point that these characters arent balanced with the rest of the cast, cause the reality is that they have been balanced tofit in with the rest of the cast at the end of the day.
To sum up, I can't stress how important I feel it is that we start mirroring our ruleset to OZHADOU and EVO. This will be the first step in extending our community overseas, and if we were to start striking up conversations about NZ representation at these events a good first step is to have our tournament rules mirror thiers.
Quote from: Lennysaurus on March 30, 2009, 06:44:35 PM
1. I can understand why we had this rule but after the last tourney the one issue i thought that was pretty boring was having sooo many ryu, ken, and boxers. While in japan they have loads of people playing loads of different characters, here I think that any chance we can have to make our tournaments diverse we should take. Being able to pick any character imo opinion lead to us seeing some more diverse matchups. In my honest opinion we should look to start using the same rules that OZhadou use (which are mirrored from evo rules) as that is the next step we will need to take in terms of going international. The ozhadou rules are that you can pick whatever character, and that if you are worried about counter picking both players can agree to double blind. Counter picking in street fighter IV is becoming a moot point anyway due to the fact that the game is so balanced. If you want to reallistically do well with a character you need to learn your match ups anyway.
2. Gouken and Seth are no longer banned in overseas tournaments, so I see no point in banning them here. Neither of them are OP to the point that a character has needed to be OP in order for them to be banned in the past. (eg: SSF2T akuma, 3S Gill, HD Remix Akuma). Once again, the game is very well balanced, and I would have to disagree with you making the point that these characters arent balanced with the rest of the cast, cause the reality is that they have been balanced tofit in with the rest of the cast at the end of the day.
To sum up, I can't stress how important I feel it is that we start mirroring our ruleset to OZHADOU and EVO. This will be the first step in extending our community overseas, and if we were to start striking up conversations about NZ representation at these events a good first step is to have our tournament rules mirror thiers.
God damn it lenny !!! its like your inside my brain , pick out all the good bits and I get the sloppy shit left over hahaha :)
What im trying to say is I agree ( once again ) with lenny on all his points .
Getting our tourneys running the same as the aussie tourneys and EVO would go along way to us being more integrated into the scene .
However I havent been here that long and some of the more long time members may have different thoughts and thats cool too .
BOOOYAKASHAAAAA !!!!!!!
1) The Japanese style of tournament is really only appropriate for Japan imo, it's QUITE a different climate than we have here - they have very condensed areas where there are lots of experts, who play the whole range of characters. They also tend to play single elimination brackets, along with a few other oddities that aren't the norm. I think that style eventuates in a better standard of play, however it's very unforgiving, which is something we need to avoid atm.
If we intend to have multiple games running at the same time for the next tourney, we could also thing about switching to a best-2-of-3 rounds game, with best-2-of-3 games per match (rather than the best-3-of-5 rounds, 1 game per match that we used last time). Would take a bit longer, but that's the way most American tournaments are run - and allows players to switch chars for the 2nd round if they get a bad matchup. This format I think is the main argument FOR being able to switch chars, it's not so important in a 1-game match.
Just as an aside, here's a thought - 2on2 tournament. Either randomly assigned or 1 'newb' and 1 'veteran'. Maybe not for the next tournament, but some other random tourney. Probably would ease the newer players in really well, the more experienced player is sure to teach them some tricks.
So anyway, my vote is for being allowed to pick who you want - just give double blind select as an option if people are being asshats. But I'm not really fussed either way.
2) I strongly think at this stage we should allow both Gouken and Seth. Seth atm is looking like he COULD be the top character, but so far he's definitely not broken, so include him unless something horrible is discovered. Gouken is actually pretty harmless, the more you play against him, the less powerful he seems. Backthrow has AGES for you to tech it (unless you're in recovery frames obviously), his parries aren't actually that good (they are glorified focus attacks and so can be armour broken).
good points.
And yes I have been looking at the OZHadou site and rules.
But I would also like to hear from you guys, I don't just want to mirror them for the sake of being integrated into their community.
I am considering a 2v2 Tournament. It seems very interesting and I am eager to try it out. I have all the rule sets etc and this coming even we can decide on it.
I am in the process of outlining the Tournament so once it is complete I will post it up and get feed backs from you guys.
To reinforce the point more so a large amount of JAPANESE Tournaments use the multiple game chose any character rule. SF2 tournaments like starcup and insanity are good examples... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H93sTqacno&feature=related
If your worried about time wasting get both players to tell you who they are gonna pick before the end of the current match.
Seth and Gouken Should definitely be playable. There's currently nothing to suggest that either character is better than Sagat and if we ain't banning Sagat then why Seth/Gouken. Goukens pretty bad to be honest
I like to add the dates that you guys prefer.
I currently have in mind are:
June
13
20
27
which days best suite you ladies :)
Quote from: Toomeke on March 30, 2009, 09:47:27 PM
To reinforce the point more so a large amount of JAPANESE Tournaments use the multiple game chose any character rule. SF2 tournaments like starcup and insanity are good examples... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H93sTqacno&feature=related
If your worried about time wasting get both players to tell you who they are gonna pick before the end of the current match.
Seth and Gouken Should definitely be playable. There's currently nothing to suggest that either character is better than Sagat and if we ain't banning Sagat then why Seth/Gouken. Goukens pretty bad to be honest
Fully Agree.
Double blind is the above method, seems to make the most sense.
2v2 sounds like a great idea too.
Quote from: zosla on March 30, 2009, 09:49:44 PM
I like to add the dates that you guys prefer.
I currently have in mind are:
June
13
20
27
which days best suite you ladies :)
You might want to hold up a bit to see whether or not this XLAN stuff goes ahead bro. Cause xlan is like june or july iirc.
Yeah I have no problem with Gouken or Seth. I would rather fight either of those two than Sagat :P
In my defense: Fuck you.
;D
For my opinion, you can pretty much quote Lenny's post.
Sagat is the strongest character in the game hands down, and given that hes not broken enough to ban, then it makes no sense to ban seth/gouken.
Im not in favour of the 2v2 rule at this point. While it would be interesting, our community at this point isn't tight-knit enough fo partner based gameplay. Having someone you probably don't know very well/at all (I realise this actually doesn't apply to a good 50% of the people from the last tourney) as a partner that affects how you do in the tourney would inevitably be awkward at best, and 'blame' for a bad result would go directly onto the lesser of the two players, which is discouraging, and i don't think that any sort of discouragement is what we want to be going for with these sorts of events.
At least if the community was more established, then it would be more along the lines of friendly banter than "Omg this guy ive never seen before made me lose. What an idiot."
I realise we're all more mature than that, but who's to say that it wouldnt be interpreted this way by someone we didnt know?
the 2v2 partner tourny will be like you choose your partner :)
But then again it will be looking like stacking good players together...
what do you guys rekon?
My intention was to have one less-experienced person and one experienced person on each 2person team specifically so the experienced player can help out the other person and try to give them some hints.
I guess it just depends if you care to help them or not.
I thought it seemed MORE inclusive and nice to newbies rather than less, but maybe I'm wrong.
Birdie raises a good point. If you look at most of the other forums that aren't here a lot of the people complain and bitch about shit that really isn't that bad to begin with. I know that that sort of problem wouldn't arise with our core members and such since we all get along so well. Perhaps it would be better to wait for the 2v2 thing until we get more close knit or include it as a not so serious sort of thing like part of the tutorial stuff from our grind sessions
I take every point and advice. I guess we need more discusions about this. Lets wait for other peoples feed backs.
1. Im a fan of the japanese 1 character only style....but im not to fussed about it.
2. The banning of Seth/Gouken I reckon should be lifted, because like everyone says, Sagat is way better, well not way better, but stronger then alot of characters but not by too much so I reckon let them in. Doesnt really affect me cos i just like sagat yaaaaaahhhhh
and as for the 2v2 thing, I reckon fluxs ideas pretty sweet. One pro and one noob would make a pretty cool thing to see, plus we're all like not totally close, but not asshole enough to be like that towards other people.....but fuck if u make me lose lenny im so bleaching my skin and turning white :P
Quote from: AD on March 31, 2009, 04:16:33 PM
1. Im a fan of the japanese 1 character only style....but im not to fussed about it.
2. The banning of Seth/Gouken I reckon should be lifted, because like everyone says, Sagat is way better, well not way better, but stronger then alot of characters but not by too much so I reckon let them in. Doesnt really affect me cos i just like sagat yaaaaaahhhhh
and as for the 2v2 thing, I reckon fluxs ideas pretty sweet. One pro and one noob would make a pretty cool thing to see, plus we're all like not totally close, but not asshole enough to be like that towards other people.....but fuck if u make me lose lenny im so bleaching my skin and turning white :P
Theres not enough fucking bleach on this planet to turn you white bro!
Quote from: Lennysaurus on March 31, 2009, 04:22:19 PM
Quote from: AD on March 31, 2009, 04:16:33 PM
1. Im a fan of the japanese 1 character only style....but im not to fussed about it.
2. The banning of Seth/Gouken I reckon should be lifted, because like everyone says, Sagat is way better, well not way better, but stronger then alot of characters but not by too much so I reckon let them in. Doesnt really affect me cos i just like sagat yaaaaaahhhhh
and as for the 2v2 thing, I reckon fluxs ideas pretty sweet. One pro and one noob would make a pretty cool thing to see, plus we're all like not totally close, but not asshole enough to be like that towards other people.....but fuck if u make me lose lenny im so bleaching my skin and turning white :P
Theres not enough fucking bleach on this planet to turn you white bro!
then i guess im stuck as one half of TEAM BROWN
Quote from: AD on March 31, 2009, 04:33:29 PM
Quote from: Lennysaurus on March 31, 2009, 04:22:19 PM
Quote from: AD on March 31, 2009, 04:16:33 PM
1. Im a fan of the japanese 1 character only style....but im not to fussed about it.
2. The banning of Seth/Gouken I reckon should be lifted, because like everyone says, Sagat is way better, well not way better, but stronger then alot of characters but not by too much so I reckon let them in. Doesnt really affect me cos i just like sagat yaaaaaahhhhh
and as for the 2v2 thing, I reckon fluxs ideas pretty sweet. One pro and one noob would make a pretty cool thing to see, plus we're all like not totally close, but not asshole enough to be like that towards other people.....but fuck if u make me lose lenny im so bleaching my skin and turning white :P
Theres not enough fucking bleach on this planet to turn you white bro!
then i guess im stuck as one half of TEAM BROWN
TIMA PARAONE MO TE WIKITORIA!!!!
Quote from: Lennysaurus on March 31, 2009, 04:35:47 PM
Quote from: AD on March 31, 2009, 04:33:29 PM
Quote from: Lennysaurus on March 31, 2009, 04:22:19 PM
Quote from: AD on March 31, 2009, 04:16:33 PM
1. Im a fan of the japanese 1 character only style....but im not to fussed about it.
2. The banning of Seth/Gouken I reckon should be lifted, because like everyone says, Sagat is way better, well not way better, but stronger then alot of characters but not by too much so I reckon let them in. Doesnt really affect me cos i just like sagat yaaaaaahhhhh
and as for the 2v2 thing, I reckon fluxs ideas pretty sweet. One pro and one noob would make a pretty cool thing to see, plus we're all like not totally close, but not asshole enough to be like that towards other people.....but fuck if u make me lose lenny im so bleaching my skin and turning white :P
Theres not enough fucking bleach on this planet to turn you white bro!
then i guess im stuck as one half of TEAM BROWN
TIMA PARAONE MO TE WIKITORIA!!!!
???umm.....yes?
Quote from: Lennysaurus on March 31, 2009, 04:35:47 PM
TIMA PARAONE MO TE WIKITORIA!!!!
Something to do with Team Brown and Victory??
keep on topic please.
To bo honest, everyone is giving almost the exact same feedback. Have multiple picks and dont ban seth gouken. I reckon we can safely say that we're all good on this.
at this stage we will go for double blind and all characters are usable.
I am just concern about Seth, I have played the human Seth and yes it does take huge damage, but the problem is can you even get to do those damage.
Imagine a character who has Guiles Sonic Boom + Giefs Throws + Dhalsim long hand and teleport + Uber Shoryuken which does more hit and dmg than any Shoto + Chun li wall jump with Akumas Axile kick with and a Super fast speed Ultra which goes right across teh screen through anything...
Not to mention his high stun rate with his combo links.
If a pro mains him.. its going to be really evil :D
That is just my thoughts, lets see how it goes i guess.
Quote from: zosla on April 01, 2009, 08:15:36 AM
at this stage we will go for double blind and all characters are usable.
I am just concern about Seth, I have played the human Seth and yes it does take huge damage, but the problem is can you even get to do those damage.
Imagine a character who has Guiles Sonic Boom + Giefs Throws + Dhalsim long hand and teleport + Uber Shoryuken which does more hit and dmg than any Shoto + Chun li wall jump with Akumas Axile kick with and a Super fast speed Ultra which goes right across teh screen through anything...
Not to mention his high stun rate with his combo links.
If a pro mains him.. its going to be really evil :D
That is just my thoughts, lets see how it goes i guess.
Yeah Seth does have a lot of potential but you have to be the man to use him well. Oh and I looked at the frame data his Shoryuken does less damage than ryus and come out slower. Its as good as Sagats but you can't juggle with his ultra. What else....
You can punish his "Dhalsim arms" with rogs dash staight super and ultra LOL. Probably alot of things that can punish it....ryu super, chun super and ultra, e hona ex headbutt etc.
His sonic boom is as bad as kens hadouken. So it just looks like a sonic boom but thats where the comparisons stop. He loses in a fireball war with ryu.
Spinning pile driver is basically an untechable throw. The range on his jab spd is only marginally better than a normal throw. His ex spd is half decent cos of damage.
The Hyakuretsu (machine gun kick) is super unsafe on block no matter what version you use. Punish with whatever ya want.
Quote from: zosla on April 01, 2009, 08:15:36 AM
at this stage we will go for double blind and all characters are usable.
I am just concern about Seth, I have played the human Seth and yes it does take huge damage, but the problem is can you even get to do those damage.
Imagine a character who has Guiles Sonic Boom + Giefs Throws + Dhalsim long hand and teleport + Uber Shoryuken which does more hit and dmg than any Shoto + Chun li wall jump with Akumas Axile kick with and a Super fast speed Ultra which goes right across teh screen through anything...
Not to mention his high stun rate with his combo links.
If a pro mains him.. its going to be really evil :D
That is just my thoughts, lets see how it goes i guess.
I don't get it Andy, are you saying it's your opinion that Seth's the best in the game?
And if so, why did we not ban Sagat for the last tourney? I think it far more of a consensus that Sagat is better than anyone else ATM. hmmmm. . .
. . . And if not, then every character (Even lower tier) have moves and sequences that can yeild an amazing offense, Seth's not the only one, I don't think it's too much to expect that every character can win given the chance to hit, right?
Will weeventually ban Fuerte cause Leo and Will will (Soon) be able to go Feirce xx run stop xx fierce ad nauseum? I certainly hope not, fun times for all!
I t was just my though, as i have to come a very good Seth and from what I have recently seen he has some uber combinations. And yes i rather fight a Seth than a Sagat :)
THe points i pointed out was to share and get opinions from you guys, I am in not position in anyway saying Seth is the best character. Just pointing his skills which I believe it may be a concern.
But as Ben pointed out some view points of his it may seem not so bad afterall.
I am just wanting to make this up coming Tournament as fair as posible to everyone, The last one I already had people bitching about the rules and such.
I do think Seth has the potential to be the best if you play him perfectly, but you really need to be untouchable. And if you're that good it probably doesn't matter who you use tbh
Quote from: zosla on April 01, 2009, 09:22:03 AM
I t was just my though, as i have to come a very good Seth and from what I have recently seen he has some uber combinations. And yes i rather fight a Seth than a Sagat :)
THe points i pointed out was to share and get opinions from you guys, I am in not position in anyway saying Seth is the best character. Just pointing his skills which I believe it may be a concern.
But as Ben pointed out some view points of his it may seem not so bad afterall.
I am just wanting to make this up coming Tournament as fair as posible to everyone, The last one I already had people bitching about the rules and such.
Well, as one of the "bitchers" last tourney, I think it's a good thing you're actually answering the concerns raised by the potential attendees bro. the chance for rebuttal was somewhat muted by "Get OVER it" last time lol.
And really I only "bitched" because no-one seemed to explain themselves with regards to the rules, banning etc, it was "like it or lump it" styles, good to see things are heading in a great direction for the next one. We had to have the first to know what worked and what didn't and for that I'm glad as.
QuoteWill weeventually ban Fuerte cause Leo and Will will (Soon) be able to go Feirce xx run stop xx fierce ad nauseum? I certainly hope not, fun times for all!
I did it once, but only got 5 reps. And i cant for the life of me do it again, especially not on a pad.
And I am always welcoming advice, thats how we improve.
Suiting our own community with what people prefer.
As mention previously I am trying to mention things which may be a concern and not making decisions or stating facts. I am no where as prficient as any of you guys who actually own the game itself, so your advices and opinions are crucial to me in everyway to make the next Tourny another success.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on April 01, 2009, 10:42:10 AM
QuoteWill weeventually ban Fuerte cause Leo and Will will (Soon) be able to go Feirce xx run stop xx fierce ad nauseum? I certainly hope not, fun times for all!
I did it once, but only got 5 reps. And i cant for the life of me do it again, especially not on a pad.
Ive got it down already. Was doing it last night. Just have to learn how to use it to punish which moves.
A good tip for learning it is to learn how to do an empty run into the first feirce, that way you can use it to punish blocked jab dragons.
Also 5 reps is a waste. For some reason the damage scale on it sucks. Do 4 reps and then a finisher, then on your next mixup against most characters you will dizzy off a succesful hit. That way you get them Dizzy, and they have only been hit once so that your free combo does near full damage instead of teensy homo gay damage.
I was doing 4 reps then on the last feirce run backwards and then do the grab.. its cool
Most vids I've seen they do ~5 reps and then combo sweep.
Scaling sucks on everything, remember?
Quote from: Lennysaurus on April 01, 2009, 11:17:39 AM
Quote from: ILL_BILL on April 01, 2009, 10:42:10 AM
QuoteWill weeventually ban Fuerte cause Leo and Will will (Soon) be able to go Feirce xx run stop xx fierce ad nauseum? I certainly hope not, fun times for all!
I did it once, but only got 5 reps. And i cant for the life of me do it again, especially not on a pad.
Ive got it down already. Was doing it last night. Just have to learn how to use it to punish which moves.
A good tip for learning it is to learn how to do an empty run into the first feirce, that way you can use it to punish blocked jab dragons.
Also 5 reps is a waste. For some reason the damage scale on it sucks. Do 4 reps and then a finisher, then on your next mixup against most characters you will dizzy off a succesful hit. That way you get them Dizzy, and they have only been hit once so that your free combo does near full damage instead of teensy homo gay damage.
I was doing 4 reps then on the last feirce run backwards and then do the grab.. its cool
I know, i was just trying to get the pattern/rhythm down. Once you've got that sorted it actually seems pretty simple. Im pretty sure ive got it, its just a prick of a thing to do on a pad. Ill master it properly when i get my stick.
1) I feel that it doesn't matter if you can switch. People will mostlikely to throw in their main no matter what. Double-Blind is fine, unable to switch is fine too. I'm neutral.
But here's an idea: "Pick two characters before tourny, and you are able to switch between"
--
2) Err I saw this chart from the Japanese about Win Rates and tiers (The Japanese takes this very seriously)
Seth is just below Sagat, with Blanka and Boxer coming in close. Claw, Rose, Fuerte, Dhalshim isn't that high up there... But you know that Wellington Dhalsim guy that kicks ass. Also StereoMonkey0's Claw gives me headache and heart attacks.
I say we don't worry about Seth/Sagat/Gouken. Look at last tourny... The top two are Abel and Dictator. Daigo of JP and Justin Wong of US also don't main those guys.
Also, lots of people don't tier whore, and only pick their characters because they like em. It's sad to ban them.
Having said that, I barely win (like 1:5) againts human Seth Match with Abel. ;D
I/We just need to know how to deal with the nude man! Experience counts.
If we are to ban stuff, Ban Chun-Li's original costume. (Because her alternate costume is finger licking good.)
Quote from: silver_spoon on April 03, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
If we are to ban stuff, Ban Chun-Li's original costume. (Because her alternate costume is finger licking good.)
AMEN TO THAT MY BROTHAA!!
Quote from: silver_spoon on April 03, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
If we are to ban stuff, Ban Chun-Li's original costume. (Because her alternate costume is finger licking good.)
This man is wise beyond words
Quote from: silver_spoon on April 03, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
Also, lots of people don't tier whore...
<---- Tier whore
hush!!!
Chun is mine,her alt is super dooper sexy.
all MINE!!!
I'm in the process of all this rule, don't worry we will have an happy ending :)
me and Chun that is :)
Quote from: zosla on April 03, 2009, 04:01:27 PM
hush!!!
Chun is mine,her alt is super dooper sexy.
all MINE!!!
I'm in the process of all this rule, don't worry we will have an happy ending :)
me and Chun that is :)
Oh we all love happy ending ;D
Quote from: B1ackstar Ninja on April 03, 2009, 07:15:50 PM
Quote from: zosla on April 03, 2009, 04:01:27 PM
hush!!!
Chun is mine,her alt is super dooper sexy.
all MINE!!!
I'm in the process of all this rule, don't worry we will have an happy ending :)
me and Chun that is :)
Oh we all love happy ending ;D
FOr only 50 dollar more
Quote from: zosla on April 01, 2009, 08:15:36 AM
at this stage we will go for double blind and all characters are usable.
I won't say it...
Meanwhile can I suggest you front up and announce the prizes BEFORE the day of the tournament?
Quote from: CrazyMobius on April 05, 2009, 08:53:04 AM
Quote from: zosla on April 01, 2009, 08:15:36 AM
at this stage we will go for double blind and all characters are usable.
I won't say it...
Meanwhile can I suggest you front up and announce the prizes BEFORE the day of the tournament?
There's prizes ???
Quote from: CrazyMobius on April 05, 2009, 08:53:04 AM
Quote from: zosla on April 01, 2009, 08:15:36 AM
at this stage we will go for double blind and all characters are usable.
I won't say it...
Meanwhile can I suggest you front up and announce the prizes BEFORE the day of the tournament?
With the last one, we knew ther would BE prizes, but noone knew wtf they were until we actually got there.
I don't know that anyone else knew what the prizes would be either.
Cash was pretty much guaranteed though.
thats right, cash prizes was confirmed.
But the other stuff was only given to me in the last hour of the tourney which I had to pay extra for but was ok.
Quote from: zosla on April 05, 2009, 12:14:48 PM
thats right, cash prizes was confirmed.
But you gotta confirm da amount too.
You can't, because the prize pool depended on how many people turned up.
Anyone in it solely for the prizes isn't really getting the right idea imo. They are just a nice incentive to try harder.
Quote from: fluxcore on April 07, 2009, 11:46:44 AM
You can't, because the prize pool depended on how many people turned up.
Anyone in it solely for the prizes isn't really getting the right idea imo. They are just a nice incentive to try harder.
Im in it for the fame and the glory!
Thanks Andy for confirming the venue and sorting this stuff out.
If I could confirm teh prizes I would of done so. As Flux said the prize pool was dependant on teh number of players that enters +- some people who did not pay because they helped out a lot but some such as fFlux hwelped out a lot and piad as well which I take it as a donation :P
anways, this time I will be able to confirm the FIRST prize, but second and third I am still in the process or organizing. I will announce the FIRST prize once everything are setup and dates/Venue are confirmed :)
I am Sure you all will practice hard for this upcoming Tourny as the FIRST prize is very attractive :)
Is it a hot night with Leo, Andy, Alan or Birdie Wong?
no gayness here ty very much.
YUS THAT MEANS ITS A LADY.....
YUSSSSSSS
a night in mermaids :D
Quote from: zosla on April 07, 2009, 11:15:13 PM
a night in mermaids :D
Last time I was there one of the shorter strippers climbed up me and rode on my shoulders. She made me walk round the bar and then expected me to give her a tip.
I was like "Why the fuck should I tip you? I did all the fucking walking" Then she showed her boobs and I gave her 5 bucks.
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on April 08, 2009, 02:52:34 AM
Quote from: zosla on April 07, 2009, 11:15:13 PM
a night in mermaids :D
Last time I was there one of the shorter strippers climbed up me and rode on my shoulders. She made me walk round the bar and then expected me to give her a tip.
I was like "Why the fuck should I tip you? I did all the fucking walking" Then she showed her boobs and I gave her 5 bucks.
::)
But seriously, what IS the first prize? I'm really curious now :-X
Quote from: fluxcore on April 07, 2009, 11:46:44 AM
Anyone in it solely for the prizes isn't really getting the right idea imo. They are just a nice incentive to try harder.
Is there anyone in it soley for the prizes? Wouldn't think so.
Some will, some won't.
It doesn't matter tbh, whatever the reason is for people to come and join the tourny is entirely up to them.
The prizes is there like a gift or some sort, of course you will need to earn it kinda thing. And what is a tournament with no PRIZES :P
Quote from: zosla on April 08, 2009, 04:53:11 PM
Some will, some won't.
It doesn't matter tbh, whatever the reason is for people to come and join the tourny is entirely up to them.
The prizes is there like a gift or some sort, of course you will need to earn it kinda thing. And what is a tournament with no PRIZES :P
Thats wot im talking about ;D ;D ;D
they expect us to pay $85 for the tournament without telling us the prize.......
And what else ?? ALL Chars are allowed.... seriously WTF x 10 !!!! Imagine NZ champion is a Fei Long or Gouken player. I wonder what other sf4 players in the world will think about nz sf4 level.
Im going in the eating contest as well.
NZISM REPRAZENT YO!!!!
The prizes are sponsor products to a certain value, they cant really tell you exactly what its going to be because not all there sponsors are final plus they dont know what they are going to get given. Last year it was a few 360 games (recent releases) and controllers etc.
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on May 28, 2009, 11:08:26 PM
they expect us to pay $85 for the tournament without telling us the prize.......
And what else ?? ALL Chars are allowed.... seriously WTF x 10 !!!! Imagine NZ champion is a Fei Long or Gouken player. I wonder what other sf4 players in the world will think about nz sf4 level.
iirc all characters are allowed internationally. The reason we don't see them used is because the console characters arent terribly good.
As far as I'm concerned, if Lenny beats everyone with Gen or Gouken then that's fricking awesome. It's not like the rest of us that are going are completely useless.
I'm sure if a JP player won with Gouken there'd be tons of nuthugging, why should we be so different? I'm sure our level of Ryus is just as shitty in comparison to JP's as our console chars would be.
Quote from: fluxcore on May 29, 2009, 09:36:14 AM
As far as I'm concerned, if Lenny beats everyone with Gen or Gouken then that's fricking awesome. It's not like the rest of us that are going are completely useless.
I'm sure if a JP player won with Gouken there'd be tons of nuthugging, why should we be so different? I'm sure our level of Ryus is just as shitty in comparison to JP's as our console chars would be.
You need a photographic memory to be beastly with gouken, he's not cheap at all aye flux. But i did think there would be much more high level JPN Gouken players out there if he was given the go at tournies. Are you sure he's in internationally Bill.
JP still mainly plays tournies on arcade boards, so you never see the console chars at all.
Poonkgo from Korea plays as Seth, so he's definitely not banned completely internationally...
Quote from: fluxcore on May 29, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
Poonkgo from Korea plays as Seth, so he's definitely not banned completely internationally...
If your Seth gets to that level Alan, what a fucking beast that would be.
Anyway, it's a console tournie so dur! Of course console characters are allowed. And this is a New Zealand tournie, so be fucking proud if somebody outside of NZ gives a shit about what characters we use. Seriously.
Oh, and the prize for the winner is.... you get to spend time being my bitch :P
simon going to xlan tournament hue! come on!!
lol yea HUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
its closed already.
good stuff simon, you getting the smack down from Hue.
Simon sucks. Even I gave his Abel the smackdown yesterday.
lol, he plays sagat now, ur a bit slow mate.
Quote from: zosla on June 11, 2009, 08:32:08 AM
lol, he plays sagat now, ur a bit slow mate.
lol, he, like most people, plays more than one character
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 11, 2009, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: zosla on June 11, 2009, 08:32:08 AM
lol, he plays sagat now, ur a bit slow mate.
lol, he, like most people, plays more than one character.
wait wait you left out the part of
TOP TIER
I think andy has missed the point that i dont think im better than simon, i just rag on simon because thats just what most of us do. >_>
I actually dgas :)
it would be normal if your better than anyone of use as u guys got the game at home.
but then again meh /care :D
Quote from: zosla on June 11, 2009, 03:39:38 PM
I actually dgas :)
it would be normal if your better than anyone of use as u guys got the game at home.
but then again meh /care :D
I find this REALLY irritating. You have said this to me before but it is really quite far from the truth. And i REALLY dont like being belittled by a point that has no substance.
Having the game at home (particularly in my situation) only means your EXECUTION improves, since most online matches dont mean crap because of the lag. And, to be fair, my execution is great, and has improved drastically since i got the game at home. I will say without any hesitation that my EXECUTION is easily as good (if not better) than anyone on this site. (Besides maybe lenny)
Actually playing decent people in decent matches i can only get from yifans, which i dont frequent as much as i should. Since my connection at home is being lame atm, it means i dont get very many lag-free matches. Even people i have supposedly got a 3-4 bar connection with (lenny/flux/stu etc) lags like shit. So naturally, for all intents and purposes, the people who are better than me (ie. you, simon, hue etc) are better BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE.
Having the game at home =/= general skill. It means your technical skill improves. (Which mine has, and im relatively proud of my technical ability) Admittedly, if my internet connection at home was a bit better, your point would actually make more sense. I would greatly appreciate if you didnt indirectly insult me without having any understanding of my situation.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 11, 2009, 04:55:01 PM
I find this REALLY irritating. You have said this to me before but it is really quite far from the truth. And i REALLY dont like being belittled by a point that has no substance.
Having the game at home (particularly in my situation) only means your EXECUTION improves, since most online matches dont mean crap because of the lag. And, to be fair, my execution is great, and has improved drastically since i got the game at home. I will say without any hesitation that my EXECUTION is easily as good (if not better) than anyone on this site. (Besides maybe lenny)
Actually playing decent people in decent matches i can only get from yifans, which i dont frequent as much as i should. Since my connection at home is being lame atm, it means i dont get very many lag-free matches. Even people i have supposedly got a 3-4 bar connection with (lenny/flux/stu etc) lags like shit. So naturally, for all intents and purposes, the people who are better than me (ie. you, simon, hue etc) are better BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE.
Having the game at home =/= general skill. It means your technical skill improves. (Which mine has, and im relatively proud of my technical ability) Admittedly, if my internet connection at home was a bit better, your point would actually make more sense. I would greatly appreciate if you didnt indirectly insult me without having any understanding of my situation.
Yeah i kind of agree. Regular comp at yiffans would be nice. ALl you guys get to play the best, under the best situations. I kinda envy you. Im gonna start scheduling more of my meetings in town on Wednesdays so I can finish early and come down.
LOL all that happens, though is Hue and Kevin end up raping everyone and no one ends up challenging hahaha!
Props though. Kevin, Hue, Ben, and even Simon are all very good. Andy I think your stule of play really really suits street fighter IV. When I watch you play it reminds me of a duck taking to water lol.
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 11, 2009, 05:05:17 PM
Yeah i kind of agree. Regular comp at yiffans would be nice. ALl you guys get to play the best, under the best situations. I kinda envy you. Im gonna start scheduling more of my meetings in town on Wednesdays so I can finish early and come down.
LOL all that happens, though is Hue and Kevin end up raping everyone and no one ends up challenging hahaha!
Props though. Kevin, Hue, Ben, and even Simon are all very good. Andy I think your stule of play really really suits street fighter IV. When I watch you play it reminds me of a duck taking to water lol.
Exactly.
Some of us are bloody thankful to even just have the shitters online to play against :/
Quote from: fluxcore on June 11, 2009, 05:32:53 PM
Some of us are bloody thankful to even just have the shitters online to play against :/
You had to have a dig at me aye alan hahahhahaha ;D
Group hug everyone ( no homo tho )
yeah i got so fucking annoyed with his sagat...~~ i had some few games with him yesterday~~ bullshit..... i just cannot play the screen... cuz im not use to it... at home playing HD resolution... not use to play Arcade low resolution...
I'm glad I don't have SF4 at home, otherwise i'd complain too ::) ::)
lol my 2 sentence caused a wall of words, calm own ladies. :)
Quote from: zosla on June 12, 2009, 08:22:16 AM
lol my 2 sentence caused a wall of words, calm own ladies. :)
What did you expect? You basically said "you guys SHOULD be better but you aren't so you suck" I know I'm shit. Noones gonna argue. But bro, what the hell?
if you take my words that way, its fine by me.Stating from my words of having it at home is that you get the chance to practice more with diff chars etc, I was in no intention saying you suck blah blah blah. What I am saying is you should feel lucky to be able to have it at home unlike the few off us who don't and it WOULD be normal if you were better but in anycase it does not mean you HAVE to be better. But you can take it however you please.
I had no intention of Criticizing anyone here...
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 11, 2009, 05:05:17 PM
Yeah i kind of agree. Regular comp at yiffans would be nice. ALl you guys get to play the best, under the best situations. I kinda envy you. Im gonna start scheduling more of my meetings in town on Wednesdays so I can finish early and come down.
LOL all that happens, though is Hue and Kevin end up raping everyone and no one ends up challenging hahaha!
Props though. Kevin, Hue, Ben, and even Simon are all very good. Andy I think your stule of play really really suits street fighter IV. When I watch you play it reminds me of a duck taking to water lol.
I missed this one Lenny, wtf is a duck taking to water -.- LOL this actually got me scracthing my head mate. Hope this is english lawl.
It's like saying you're a natural, Andy.
Lol, a friend of mine just brought an 360 and SFIV for $300. Told him to pick up one of those mayflash sticks since he's just beginning.
Seriously, how hard is it to save up for a few weeks and buy a console with game or even better yet the PC version if you have the specs. ???
EDIT: Also, would it not be more convenient to be able to play when you want, whatever time of the day. That would be worth the extra cost imho.
I'd honestly rather play on a cab with great competition. (provided it had the right ratio) =P I'm finding that the more real matches I play the more I hate online play >< One of the hardest things I'm finding in just starting fighters is the general spacing and mindset, Andy has told me on a lot of occasions that a lot of my problem is I need more experience
Yes its not hard to get a ANOTHER consol, but thats what I don't want even tho i got the sf4 game on xBox360 but it was my choice not to get another console just for the game. I have ordered my version for PC and have Built my own stick.
Smoof, as always when playing you. Your moves are predictable because you repeat yourself too much, no change it pace and lack of experience to react to changes during rounds. This is what i see when i first place you and even now but your execution has imporved heaps.
But i guess anyones execution is better than mine lawl. shoryuken > fadc > FAIL
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 12, 2009, 10:56:16 AM
I'd honestly rather play on a cab with great competition. (provided it had the right ratio) =P I'm finding that the more real matches I play the more I hate online play >< One of the hardest things I'm finding in just starting fighters is the general spacing and mindset, Andy has told me on a lot of occasions that a lot of my problem is I need more experience
Honestly smoof, I think you would benefit alot by trynig a different character. Keep sagat as your main, but just try another character with a different play style. It might help you mix it up a bit more.
I think you need to learn a bit about your spacing as well. You're fine against scrubs that cant get past tiger, tiger, tiger uppercut. But I find that when I linger around just outside of your crouch roundhouse that you start to panic and do crazy things.
Was playing HD Remix last night with Euan... God it felt good to play a street fighter where you could rushdown like a motherfucker. God I love deejay and sagat in that game!
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 12, 2009, 11:08:17 AM
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 12, 2009, 10:56:16 AM
I'd honestly rather play on a cab with great competition. (provided it had the right ratio) =P I'm finding that the more real matches I play the more I hate online play >< One of the hardest things I'm finding in just starting fighters is the general spacing and mindset, Andy has told me on a lot of occasions that a lot of my problem is I need more experience
Honestly smoof, I think you would benefit alot by trynig a different character. Keep sagat as your main, but just try another character with a different play style. It might help you mix it up a bit more.
I think you need to learn a bit about your spacing as well. You're fine against scrubs that cant get past tiger, tiger, tiger uppercut. But I find that when I linger around just outside of your crouch roundhouse that you start to panic and do crazy things.
Was playing HD Remix last night with Euan... God it felt good to play a street fighter where you could rushdown like a motherfucker. God I love deejay and sagat in that game!
Yeah I'm really trying to work on my spacing these days but I have no idea who else to pick up >< any suggestions? =P
you stole deejay from me bastard i challenge you to a dual.
Quote from: kingpiccolo on June 12, 2009, 11:16:11 AM
you stole deejay from me bastard i challenge you to a dual.
A "dual" huh? I challenge you to a spelling bee!
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 12, 2009, 11:15:16 AM
Yeah I'm really trying to work on my spacing these days but I have no idea who else to pick up >< any suggestions? =P
I'm thinking maybe boxer... he's powerful, but you need to get the right spacing for him to be truly effective (i.e. it's not ALL about spamming cr.lp!) You have to be at the right ranges for s.HP, rush punches, cr.HP anti-air and whatnot.
It might help, but then again you might find it too frustrating and give up. You've got a few good boxers that can give you tips though...
Quote from: fluxcore on June 12, 2009, 11:31:23 AM
I'm thinking maybe boxer... he's powerful, but you need to get the right spacing for him to be truly effective (i.e. it's not ALL about spamming cr.lp!) You have to be at the right ranges for s.HP, rush punches, cr.HP anti-air and whatnot.
It might help, but then again you might find it too frustrating and give up. You've got a few good boxers that can give you tips though...
I agree with this. Getting in on good boxers can be tough, and will certainly help you learn the spacing game. His jab dash punch can be safe on block if you get the distance right and i think the same can be said for his headbutts (not 100% on this) -- Plus he has good tick setups and an easily landable ultra. I think I need to start picking up someone else aswell since my fundamentals and footsies are crap lol
Ryu is good for fundamentals + footsies, plus he's retardedly easy to use. Pretty boring though.
I'd rather play Ryu than Rog, but I should probably learn how charge characters work better >< To the gigaton punch!
I would say Ryu's decent for spacing too, a little moreso than Sagat I guess (with low forward XX fireball and whatnot), but boxer would be better I think.
Plus he's just another fucking boring shoto char like sagat anyway. You wouldn't learn that much more from him, too easy to play just like however you play sagat. Except it'll probably be worse.
So the only fighting games I've played are the Guilty Gear series (and Tekken when I was a kid), would trying out SFIV be a big punch in the face?
You'd probably find it pretty boring, it's so much slower paced. Especially when someone has ultra.
It's by far the biggest playerbase for competition this side of Tekken though.
I DO love the fast paced combat in Guilty Gear, as crap as I am at it still. I need somebody to teach me how combos and what not work.
SFIV is definitely easier to pick up, I'd pick it up just to play with everyone.
Yah I might scrub it out @ Yifans on a day when a few of you guys are there.
Quote from: Squares on June 12, 2009, 12:48:31 PM
I DO love the fast paced combat in Guilty Gear, as crap as I am at it still. I need somebody to teach me how combos and what not work.
I do too, which is why I was so looking forward to BB, need a little bit more excitement than I'm getting from SFIV atm.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 12, 2009, 01:11:18 PM
Quote from: Squares on June 12, 2009, 12:48:31 PM
I DO love the fast paced combat in Guilty Gear, as crap as I am at it still. I need somebody to teach me how combos and what not work.
I do too, which is why I was so looking forward to BB, need a little bit more excitement than I'm getting from SFIV atm.
I feel the same way ><
Quote from: fluxcore on June 12, 2009, 01:11:18 PM
Quote from: Squares on June 12, 2009, 12:48:31 PM
I DO love the fast paced combat in Guilty Gear, as crap as I am at it still. I need somebody to teach me how combos and what not work.
I do too, which is why I was so looking forward to BB, need a little bit more excitement than I'm getting from SFIV atm.
My limited experience with BB at Yifans was what made me finalize my purchase of it. Mostly because it's not AS fast as GG, but still fast. Gives me a bit more reaction time.
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 12, 2009, 11:15:16 AM
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 12, 2009, 11:08:17 AM
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 12, 2009, 10:56:16 AM
I'd honestly rather play on a cab with great competition. (provided it had the right ratio) =P I'm finding that the more real matches I play the more I hate online play >< One of the hardest things I'm finding in just starting fighters is the general spacing and mindset, Andy has told me on a lot of occasions that a lot of my problem is I need more experience
Honestly smoof, I think you would benefit alot by trynig a different character. Keep sagat as your main, but just try another character with a different play style. It might help you mix it up a bit more.
I think you need to learn a bit about your spacing as well. You're fine against scrubs that cant get past tiger, tiger, tiger uppercut. But I find that when I linger around just outside of your crouch roundhouse that you start to panic and do crazy things.
Was playing HD Remix last night with Euan... God it felt good to play a street fighter where you could rushdown like a motherfucker. God I love deejay and sagat in that game!
Yeah I'm really trying to work on my spacing these days but I have no idea who else to pick up >< any suggestions? =P
Fei Long in Super Turbo
Thought you were cool Ben.
Just being honest.
I think you should learn your spacing with Sagat tho. The three ranges that Sagat likes to be at is 1) the other side of the screen) 2) stand roundhouse distance 3) Tiger uppercut distance. You want to be at the maximum distance where your Anti air will still hit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6eLhAaZg8w
So much good stuff to learn in this video
I really like Sagat even if he is a bit bullshit at times
Learn Gen so that I can have a Gen freind. it sucks not having someone else to share Gen tricks with.
In otehr news I have managed to master st.medium kick xx Feirce HHS with gen. if it hits you can hit confirm super. It also leaves you at advantage on block and pushes the opp back into the screen.
But I guess none of you care... cause you arent Gen freinds...
sounds like some mike ross shit right there lenny!
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 12, 2009, 02:38:12 PM
Learn Gen so that I can have a Gen freind. it sucks not having someone else to share Gen tricks with.
In otehr news I have managed to master st.medium kick xx Feirce HHS with gen. if it hits you can hit confirm super. It also leaves you at advantage on block and pushes the opp back into the screen.
But I guess none of you care... cause you arent Gen freinds...
yes he did this to me numerous times last night lol dam you leo you fast fingered bastard haha
Quote from: Toomeke on June 12, 2009, 02:30:10 PM
Just being honest.
I think you should learn your spacing with Sagat tho. The three ranges that Sagat likes to be at is 1) the other side of the screen) 2) stand roundhouse distance 3) Tiger uppercut distance. You want to be at the maximum distance where your Anti air will still hit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6eLhAaZg8w
So much good stuff to learn in this video
I really like Sagat even if he is a bit bullshit at times
I love that video, I've started watching it a lot in these last two weeks or so. I dunno how to do the kara tiger shot though =( it bugs me
Quote from: zosla on June 12, 2009, 10:25:49 AM
if you take my words that way, its fine by me.Stating from my words of having it at home is that you get the chance to practice more with diff chars etc, I was in no intention saying you suck blah blah blah. What I am saying is you should feel lucky to be able to have it at home unlike the few off us who don't and it WOULD be normal if you were better but in anycase it does not mean you HAVE to be better. But you can take it however you please.
I had no intention of Criticizing anyone here...
Believe me I get what you mean. I'm glad I have it at home. But I totally disagree that this should make me better. It's the level of competition you face that improves your gameplay IMO. Look at alex valle. Missed 1000 fadc's in the sbo qualifiers, but he and combo still won. If it were me, I wouldve hit each and every one of those fadc's (because I'm able to practice at home), but still would have lost, because I don't have enough games with decent people.
Having the game at home and playing at yifans each develop DIFFERENT aspects of the game. Playing decent competition will improve your game considerably more than sitting in training mode all day. You can master every combo in the game, but it doesn't mean anything if you can't win matches. And the best way to learn how to win matches is to PLAY good people. This is the point I'm trying to make, and is the reason why a lot of you guys are considerably better than me. I'm 100% right on this and I don't think anyone would argue.
I just found your point wasn't looking at the issue from all the angles, and the way you put it was kinds condescending. I know you don't mean to be. But I'm like that. Rest assured I've got mad respect for you andy, and I'm not trying to dig at you, although I probably came across that way a bit.
Anyway sorry for the wall of txt. This is being sent from my iPhone.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 12, 2009, 12:27:30 PM
Ryu is good for fundamentals + footsies, plus he's retardedly easy to use. Pretty boring though.
Are those the words spoken by someone who cannot use Ryu ??
Just like how I say Gen/Seth/Balrog are retardedly easy to use when i have no idea how to use them :P.
You should at least prove that ur Ryu can win against decent players before saying he's too easy to use.
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 14, 2009, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: fluxcore on June 12, 2009, 12:27:30 PM
Ryu is good for fundamentals + footsies, plus he's retardedly easy to use. Pretty boring though.
Are those the words spoken by someone who cannot use Ryu ??
Just like how I say Gen/Seth/Balrog are retardedly easy to use when i have no idea how to use them :P.
You should at least prove that ur Ryu can win against decent players before saying he's too easy to use.
Ok then
Ryu is good for fundamentals + footsies, plus he's retardedly easy to use. Pretty boring though.
Happy now?
Quote from: Gino on June 14, 2009, 10:44:33 PM
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 14, 2009, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: fluxcore on June 12, 2009, 12:27:30 PM
Ryu is good for fundamentals + footsies, plus he's retardedly easy to use. Pretty boring though.
Are those the words spoken by someone who cannot use Ryu ??
Just like how I say Gen/Seth/Balrog are retardedly easy to use when i have no idea how to use them :P.
You should at least prove that ur Ryu can win against decent players before saying he's too easy to use.
Ok then
Ryu is good for fundamentals + footsies, plus he's retardedly easy to use. Pretty boring though.
Happy now?
THATS THE MOTHERFUCKING WAITKATO CHAMP DROPPING THE KNOWLEDGE BOMBS LIKE POW!!!!!
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 14, 2009, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: fluxcore on June 12, 2009, 12:27:30 PM
Ryu is good for fundamentals + footsies, plus he's retardedly easy to use. Pretty boring though.
Are those the words spoken by someone who cannot use Ryu ??
Just like how I say Gen/Seth/Balrog are retardedly easy to use when i have no idea how to use them :P.
You should at least prove that ur Ryu can win against decent players before saying he's too easy to use.
You obviously do NOT play anybody online. Ryu is the character EVERYBODY uses when they are learning the fundamentals. Seriously, first it was flowchart Ken, then the red Lariat and now finally shoryuken(fadc)ultra Ryu. It's like the natural order to SFIV for new players.
And yeah, he is boring to watch.
Quote from: Gino on June 14, 2009, 10:44:33 PM
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 14, 2009, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: fluxcore on June 12, 2009, 12:27:30 PM
Ryu is good for fundamentals + footsies, plus he's retardedly easy to use. Pretty boring though.
Are those the words spoken by someone who cannot use Ryu ??
Just like how I say Gen/Seth/Balrog are retardedly easy to use when i have no idea how to use them :P.
You should at least prove that ur Ryu can win against decent players before saying he's too easy to use.
Ok then
Ryu is good for fundamentals + footsies, plus he's retardedly easy to use. Pretty boring though.
Happy now?
I wouldn't say hes retardedly easy to use, you still gotta do fadc. I reckon retardedly easy ones would be blanka and zangief.
Anti air shoryuken->ultra. That's some easy shit to pull of there.
Ok then
Ryu is good for fundamentals + footsies, plus he's retardedly easy to use. Pretty boring though.
Happy now?
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I think all the characters in sf4 are retardedly easy to use BUT it's pretty hard to be good at. Knowing how to use a character probably take about 15-30mins. But how many people can be good with it??
Knowing how to do the basic moves and win 1 or 2 games doesn't make you the top player. I know how to use Zangeif but i dont think my zangeif is as good as Kevin. Same for Simon's Abel and Cody's Akuma.
So If I wanna complain about any of them, First, I would try to master the character and beat them with that character before making my points. Otherwise it's all rubbish talk.
So that means if I beat you with Ryu, Alan with Seth, Lenny with Gen, Mike with Mags, Simon with Abel and Kevin with Geif does that mean I get the right to get my point through. Fine then.
I shall find out when I fly over in July (and maybe August if your lucky :P)
Quote from: stereomonkey on June 14, 2009, 11:15:29 PM
So that means if I beat you with Ryu, Alan with Seth, Lenny with Gen, Mike with Mags, Simon with Abel and Kevin with Geif does that mean I get the right to get my point through. Fine then.
I shall find out when I fly over in July (and maybe August if your lucky :P)
I will be looking forward to it ^_^ we can make it more interesting by having some money matches so that nobody is going easy on the others ^_^ I'm sure my friends are all cool with it.
Flying over+Accommodation+Alcohol+Clubbing+money matches=$$$$
Will have to see 8)
Quote from: stereomonkey on June 14, 2009, 11:27:22 PM
Flying over+Accommodation+Alcohol+Clubbing+money matches=$$$$
Will have to see 8)
Oh... Where do u live ?? And how long are u planning to stay in Auckland ?
Sydney
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 14, 2009, 10:19:41 PM
Are those the words spoken by someone who cannot use Ryu ??
No.
QuoteJust like how I say Gen/Seth/Balrog are retardedly easy to use when i have no idea how to use them :P.
That would just be ignorant.
Quote
You should at least prove that ur Ryu can win against decent players before saying he's too easy to use.
I don't need to prove anything, everyone knows Ryu is easy to use. I didn't say TOO easy to use, and maybe retardedly easy is a bit strong, but hey - I'm used to playing as Viper. Maybe *YOU* should win against some decent players with HER before saying that Ryu *ISN'T* easy to use huh?
There's no need to 'master' a character (like that's possible) to be able to say how easy they are to pick up. He wanted a suggestion for someone to use to build up footsies with, Ryu is a decent char for that. He's obviously not going to pick up Ryu and start raping everyone, that's not even the intention. And saying that a character you hardly use isn't as good as the best of yifan's main character? Please.
Put it this way. If a Sagat wins a tournament, no-one gives a shit. Same with Boxer, or Zangief, or Ryu. Why? because it happens all the time, and many people play them because their effort-to-payoff ratio is much lower than the rest of the cast.
Someone wins with Dhalsim, or Viper? Even Honda? People go 'ooh!'. They are harder to play, or have worse matchups.
If I really need to hammer this fairly obvious shit home even further, I can go on all day about game mechanic specifics if you really want.
As for boring? Yeah that's fairly obviously subjective. You've managed to stay conscious playing Ryu for this long, so clearly someone can find him interesting for a decent period of time. I don't, and I know a few other people that agree.
BTW Hue, I mean absolutely no disrespect to you or any other Ryu mainer, that was completely not my intention. You're a damned good player, there's no two ways about that.
And Stu:
You don't want to money match these guys, believe me.
I have to agree with flux on this. I think the difference here is that most of us like seeing/doing cool shit more than winning. Everyone likes winning, but I find it considerably more fulfilling when done with a more difficult character. (exactly why I use el fuerte)
Hue primarily likes to win, so for all intents and purposes, that's why he finds ryu less boring than the rest of us. From his point of view, ryu is the LEAST boring, because he is the easiest one to use well. It's the same reason Simon took up sagat over Abel. Full credit to hue though. The way he plays is NOT boring. (elaborate combos and links are great to do and to watch, even with a simple character like ryu) I think a lot of this comes down to playstyle, and sadly, for those of us that play online, most of the ryu's we face ARE hideously boring, and 9/10 people online use ryu, which doesn't help.
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 14, 2009, 11:09:09 PM
I think all the characters in sf4 are retardedly easy to use BUT it's pretty hard to be good at. Knowing how to use a character probably take about 15-30mins. But how many people can be good with it??
Knowing how to do the basic moves and win 1 or 2 games doesn't make you the top player. I know how to use Zangeif but i dont think my zangeif is as good as Kevin. Same for Simon's Abel and Cody's Akuma.
So If I wanna complain about any of them, First, I would try to master the character and beat them with that character before making my points. Otherwise it's all rubbish talk.
Hue, as always, you're missing the point completely. 'Using' in this context is not the same as 'selecting a character' Sure you can play anyone, I mean, you put your $2 in, and you highlight tht character then you press start and BAM you're playing that guy. Saying you can use anyone in this regard is not what is being implied here by the other posters, what IS being said is the learning curve to reach a competitive standard is vastly different between characters, and it'd be fairly ignorant of you not to admit that Ryu has one of if not the easiest learning curve in the game, alongside Boxer, Sagat and possibly Dictator.
I'd like to know personally what you think it takes to master a character also.
Hrmm... I really think we need to clarify the difference between the skillcap of a game and the skillcap of a character. You guys seem to be talking about completely different things =/ James, Alan and Bill seem to be talking about things with a huge execution bias (if you don't mind me calling it that) because the characters they main are very very execution based. I think this also comes back to the argument Bill and Andy had before over us having the game at home. Hue is a great player, I imagine none of us would dispute that but every time Hue plays, he is playing with $2 on the line we all know this can add up if you're playing a game as fun as SFIV. Most of the yifans players lack the resources to even begin to pick up a character as complex as Viper or Fuerte who really need to be played to a near flawless standard to get anywhere in competitive play. When Hue talks about a good player he seems to go straight to that: the person in front of the joystick. Anyone could learn the combos of a character if they sat in training mode long enough, I agree with this. I think what really makes a player shine is their ability to a) do these combos under pressure and b) be able to use a character in a different way to what you'd usually see to address the task at hand. This is one of the things I really have to give Hue credit for. Whenever I watch him play he seems to be experimenting a lot as to what can do what under certain circumstances. I'm not saying that the rest of us don't do that, I'm just saying that I think it's something Hue seems to do more than the rest of us. Every time I start a new game competitively, there's always some sort of "class hero" who takes a character or a class to the next level by doing something that no one has seen before or people just wouldn't think to use in that situation. I think this is also why I think Hue and Andy find Ryu a not so boring character, because he does have an answer to almost everything and the ability to set up plays in many situations to gain the upper hand which is no doubt due to his great fundamentals. Just my 2c on what makes a good player in any game.
I also say fuck you to paragraphs.
Yep, that's absolutely not what the original point was about though.
In fact, it's almost begging the question. The problem was player x doesn't have good spacing and footsies/fundamentals. Ryu is a good char to learn these with. He's also easy to pick up.
To then go and assume you are some kickass player like Hue and that you could pick any char and eventually be awesome is completely irrelevant, that's not what the problem was at all, and in fact is a completely unhelpful suggestion.
I just wanted to jump on the bandwagon to clarify things. It just seemed like the direction some people were heading =P
I disagree with all of you.
Gen is clearly the ultimate character, and because I play Gen I am by far the best player to have ever graced the planet earth.
Even if you beat me it does not count, cause I am the best. If I dont win the tournament coming up I am still the champion.
Wild man eating grizzly bears do my bidding as my personal bear/pet/slaves because I main Gen.
When I started maining Gen, my penis grew 6 extra inches.
At our next event I shall let each of you kiss the mighty ring finger of the Gen player.
This post does not miss the point of this argument, purely based on the fact that I main Gen, and therefore never miss any points.
You may all now stop this argument, because I said so, and because I main Gen.
I didnt actually post this post. Through the pure awesomeness of maining Gen I have attained telepathic control over the internet, and this post manifested itself inside the forums without me having to be near a computer.
That is all.
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 15, 2009, 10:28:09 AM
Hrmm... I really think we need to clarify the difference between the skillcap of a game and the skillcap of a character. You guys seem to be talking about completely different things =/ James, Alan and Bill seem to be talking about things with a huge execution bias (if you don't mind me calling it that) because the characters they main are very very execution based. I think this also comes back to the argument Bill and Andy had before over us having the game at home. Hue is a great player, I imagine none of us would dispute that but every time Hue plays, he is playing with $2 on the line we all know this can add up if you're playing a game as fun as SFIV. Most of the yifans players lack the resources to even begin to pick up a character as complex as Viper or Fuerte who really need to be played to a near flawless standard to get anywhere in competitive play. When Hue talks about a good player he seems to go straight to that: the person in front of the joystick. Anyone could learn the combos of a character if they sat in training mode long enough, I agree with this. I think what really makes a player shine is their ability to a) do these combos under pressure and b) be able to use a character in a different way to what you'd usually see to address the task at hand. This is one of the things I really have to give Hue credit for. Whenever I watch him play he seems to be experimenting a lot as to what can do what under certain circumstances. I'm not saying that the rest of us don't do that, I'm just saying that I think it's something Hue seems to do more than the rest of us. Every time I start a new game competitively, there's always some sort of "class hero" who takes a character or a class to the next level by doing something that no one has seen before or people just wouldn't think to use in that situation. I think this is also why I think Hue and Andy find Ryu a not so boring character, because he does have an answer to almost everything and the ability to set up plays in many situations to gain the upper hand which is no doubt due to his great fundamentals. Just my 2c on what makes a good player in any game.
I also say fuck you to paragraphs.
I also hate paragraphs.
However, And I mean no offense by this, Hue plays Ryu
exactly like the other Good Ryus I fight online: Rocklee68, Thayz & Elimination_ I don't think there's anything particularly innovative about the way he plays Ryu, nor do I consider him as our "Class hero", he's really just reached the most competitive level of that particular character, that's all.
I'd fully nominate Lenny or Ioane as such, as they, despite having only four months exposure to the game compared to our almost 12 months, have incredible skill/execution/diversity to their playstyles. Ioane plays an insane Ken, unlike any I have played here before (Cept for maybe Crazymobius) and Lenny has taken Gen and Gouken to exceptional levels, far beyond the general styles you see of any of the other Gen and Gouken players online. I'd say these two in particular are more suiting to pioneers of our community, even though Ioane is now is brisbane lol.
Like I said no offense to Hue, he's great and all, but for me personally it take a hell of a lot more than being really good on Ryu to make the title of Class hero.
Yeah, I wasn't callng Hue a class hero. That was just what I thought makes a good player. I do think that Hue has some of the characteristics of a class hero and I do see him experimenting a lot
Lenny, I'm finding it difficult to disagree with any of your post! ARRRGHHH!!!
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 15, 2009, 10:46:24 AM
Yeah, I wasn't callng Hue a class hero. That was just what I thought makes a good player. I do think that Hue has some of the characteristics of a class BULLY and I do see him Bullying a lot
Fix'd ;)
Quote from: fluxcore on June 15, 2009, 10:49:03 AM
Lenny, I'm finding it difficult to disagree with any of your post! ARRRGHHH!!!
Flux... Why are you even trying to disagree with The Gen?
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 15, 2009, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: fluxcore on June 15, 2009, 10:49:03 AM
Lenny, I'm finding it difficult to disagree with any of your post! ARRRGHHH!!!
Flux... Why are you even trying to disagree with The Gen?
At least Ryu is the greatest pillow fighter in the world Biatch!
Quote from: stereomonkey on June 15, 2009, 11:12:54 AM
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 15, 2009, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: fluxcore on June 15, 2009, 10:49:03 AM
Lenny, I'm finding it difficult to disagree with any of your post! ARRRGHHH!!!
Flux... Why are you even trying to disagree with The Gen?
At least Ryu is the greatest pillow fighter in the world Biatch!
Not when boxer dual wields them
Boxer is the worlds ultimate hacker
Hacking with gloves on ? 1000x street cred
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 15, 2009, 10:44:17 AM
I disagree with all of you.
Gen is clearly the ultimate character, and because I play Gen I am by far the best player to have ever graced the planet earth.
Even if you beat me it does not count, cause I am the best. If I dont win the tournament coming up I am still the champion.
Wild man eating grizzly bears do my bidding as my personal bear/pet/slaves because I main Gen.
When I started maining Gen, my penis grew 6 extra inches.
At our next event I shall let each of you kiss the mighty ring finger of the Gen player.
This post does not miss the point of this argument, purely based on the fact that I main Gen, and therefore never miss any points.
You may all now stop this argument, because I said so, and because I main Gen.
I didnt actually post this post. Through the pure awesomeness of maining Gen I have attained telepathic control over the internet, and this post manifested itself inside the forums without me having to be near a computer.
That is all.
LOL ;D
You rat bastard leo , you made me laugh so fuckn hard haha
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 15, 2009, 10:44:17 AM
I disagree with all of you.
Gen is clearly the ultimate character, and because I play Gen I am by far the best player to have ever graced the planet earth.
Even if you beat me it does not count, cause I am the best. If I dont win the tournament coming up I am still the champion.
Wild man eating grizzly bears do my bidding as my personal bear/pet/slaves because I main Gen.
When I started maining Gen, my penis grew 6 extra inches.
At our next event I shall let each of you kiss the mighty ring finger of the Gen player.
This post does not miss the point of this argument, purely based on the fact that I main Gen, and therefore never miss any points.
You may all now stop this argument, because I said so, and because I main Gen.
I didnt actually post this post. Through the pure awesomeness of maining Gen I have attained telepathic control over the internet, and this post manifested itself inside the forums without me having to be near a computer.
That is all.
Shit, if my maths is right, youre rocking an 8 inch wang now.
When I started playing Viper my penis grew 6 extra inches, but for quite different reasons (I hope!)
I really do think one of the Viper titles should be "MILF"
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 15, 2009, 02:20:47 PM
Shit, if my maths is right, youre rocking an 8 inch wang now.
I don't want to know how you found out the measurements...
Quote from: stereomonkey on June 15, 2009, 02:49:40 PM
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 15, 2009, 02:20:47 PM
Shit, if my maths is right, youre rocking an 8 inch wang now.
I don't want to know how you found out the measurements...
He used the tip of his tongue and the back of his throat!!!
AHAHAHAHAHA BURN BIRDIE WONG!
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 15, 2009, 03:03:44 PM
Quote from: stereomonkey on June 15, 2009, 02:49:40 PM
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 15, 2009, 02:20:47 PM
Shit, if my maths is right, youre rocking an 8 inch wang now.
I don't want to know how you found out the measurements...
He used the tip of his tongue and the back of his throat!!!
AHAHAHAHAHA BURN BIRDIE WONG!
That is ultimately the funniest and grossest thing I have ever heard! That needs to be you signature from now on Lenny! lol ;)
lol Lenny u freaking the hell outa me from those post.... :D
anyways I am terrible sorry to cause SUCH wall of txt from my 2 sentence... seriously lol.
I can't even remember what i wrote actualyl if you ask me now but just get over it play together have fun then its all GG.
Money Match!!!
Hue vs Everyone in this thread. He gets TWO lives like alex the kidd
;D
My moneys on Hue ;)
Seems like alot of people are frustrated with Ryu for whatever reason. Yeah he is easy to pick-up. Yeah he is easy to use at an average level but at higher levels of play Ryu is a fairly difficult character to use. He doesn't have many gimmicks or tricks (well...) he is just a solid character. You have to have good footsies and fireball zoning to win. These are things that seem to take a hell of a lot longer to learn than difficult combos and setups. I know I get beat up when I pick ryu against some one who knows how to poke and zone well.
Dude, you're only reaffirming the original statement. The whole point was to offer a suggestion of a char that will help him get better at footsies and zoning. NOTHING MORE.
BTW what more do you want in a 'higher level' char than 'solid'? At higher level you are guaranteed to have good footsies and zoning, otherwise you wouldn't be 'higher level'. Even at the highest level, who do you see? Sagat.... and Ryu. What more can I say? Of course 'higher level' isn't going to be easy, that's why it's the higher level! All you want is a character that lets you express your capability. At 'higher level' gimmicks and tricks do shit all, because the other people either know them or adapt to them. All you're left with is solid basics.
Fuck this discussion, you cnuts are so damn defensive about your chars. Get some perspective.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 15, 2009, 06:25:33 PM
Dude, you're only reaffirming the original statement. The whole point was to offer a suggestion of a char that will help him get better at footsies and zoning. NOTHING MORE.
BTW what more do you want in a 'higher level' char than 'solid'? At higher level you are guaranteed to have good footsies and zoning, otherwise you wouldn't be 'higher level'. Even at the highest level, who do you see? Sagat.... and Ryu. What more can I say? Of course 'higher level' isn't going to be easy, that's why it's the higher level! All you want is a character that lets you express your capability. At 'higher level' gimmicks and tricks do shit all, because the other people either know them or adapt to them. All you're left with is solid basics.
Fuck this discussion, you cunts are so damn defensive about your chars. Get some perspective.
FUCK YEAH!
Quote from: fluxcore on June 15, 2009, 06:25:33 PM
Fuck this discussion....
::) ::) :P
lets just all play nicely okay guys :P
NO!!! MY GIMMICKS ARE ALL I HAVE!!
srsly.
no. SERIOUSLY.
Im actually not kidding. :(
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 15, 2009, 03:03:44 PM
Quote from: stereomonkey on June 15, 2009, 02:49:40 PM
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 15, 2009, 02:20:47 PM
Shit, if my maths is right, youre rocking an 8 inch wang now.
I don't want to know how you found out the measurements...
He used the tip of his tongue and the back of his throat!!!
AHAHAHAHAHA BURN BIRDIE WONG!
The BIRRY WONG sex doll happens to have a ruler on the tongue. Its how i measure my hard-ons when im pretending that im giving myself a blow job. Its an addition i made after seeing Lenny's mother's ACTUAL tongue.
Quote from: ILL_BILL on June 15, 2009, 08:37:18 PM
NO!!! MY GIMMICKS ARE ALL I HAVE!!
srsly.
no. SERIOUSLY.
Im actually not kidding. :(
Welcome to the club lol
Quote from: fluxcore on June 15, 2009, 06:25:33 PM
cnuts
Whoops. I didn't read from the original post and just assumed that the argument was Ryu is easy to win with. If you want to talk about footsies and zoning then Ryu and Akuma are pretty much the only characters in sfiv that have both.
Agree mostly with your second point. I probably should have said that Ryu doesn't have any abusable shit (no one really does in sfiv) rather than just saying he is solid.
Ryu is probably the character I enjoy playing the least so if it seems like I'm a fanboy I am really not. Just thought there was a lack of respect for his gameplay and wanted to say something. Also I'll be the first to admit that my main (boxer) is easy to use.
Truce?
..............................
Quote from: Toomeke on June 15, 2009, 09:04:42 PM
Truce?
NO FIGHT MORE!!! I WANNA SEE BLOOD MOTHERFUCKERS!
hehe... it's nice to see everyone is burning with some fighting spirit :D
I'm sorry that my previous post caused all these arguments. I wont deny that Ryu has good footsies, but i'm not sure about "retardly easy to use"
What I was trying to say is: All the SF4 characters are easy to use at average level but using them at their full potential is a long way to go (for us or maybe for me only ^_^).
Anyway, How come nobody mention about Cody's Akuma ?? He's probably the best player in Auckland now. His Akuma can beat Kevin's zangief and Simon's Abel/Sagat quite often (Ratio = 7/3 imo). He's the only player who plays the game with good timings and reactions, not randomly guessing and using the moves hopefully it hit (like me :D)
Why don't you guys start up some ranbats. Get those placing sorted to find out who IS the best in Auckland! Or do whatever, up to you guys.
Quote from: stereomonkey on June 15, 2009, 10:36:41 PM
Why don't you guys start up some ranbats. Get those placing sorted to find out who IS the best in Auckland! Or do whatever, up to you guys.
I think Cody's Akuma is the best atm. He has the highest winning ratio. Then 2nd would be Kevin's zangief. there is no 3rd place coz everyone else is pretty much at the same level (I think). Is there anyone disagree with me about those orders ?? Speak up !!! ^_^
Nah Cody is easy lol. I beat him more than you beat me which is heaps.
Quote from: Toomeke on June 15, 2009, 10:43:09 PM
Nah Cody is easy lol. I beat him more than you beat me which is heaps.
The thing about Cody is that he keeps changing his style quite often so it's pretty hard to read his moves. He also told me that he's having problems fighting your boxer, mainly because he's lack of experience fighting against good boxers. It's good that you can beat him now :D But I think you should not underestimate him.
I'm not sure about u guys but at the moment, he's the hardest one for me to beat. And I still can feel his improvement.
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 15, 2009, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: Toomeke on June 15, 2009, 10:43:09 PM
Nah Cody is easy lol. I beat him more than you beat me which is heaps.
The thing about Cody is that he keeps changing his style quite often so it's pretty hard to read his moves. He also told me that he's having problems fighting your boxer, mainly because he's lack of experience fighting against good boxers. It's good that you can beat him now :D But I think you should not underestimate him.
I'm not sure about u guys but at the moment, he's the hardest one for me to beat. And I still can feel his improvement.
Cody timming is really good man. U guys never play with him on KOF series. Some of the timming combo into super i cant even pull out. His chain combo reset good too.... i learn a lot from him.
Cody has an awesome Akuma. It annoys me cause I wanna be the Akuma guy lol. We have such great matches and he does great demon setups. Not to mention he won't miss an FADC to Shakunetsu Gohadou like ever.
Kevin's Zangief is also bloody annoying though.
But if you wanna name a character that's not hard to pick up it's gotta be Zangief. His biggest combo is c.lp 4 times then EX green hand. And he mostly just does SPD or cross up leading into SPD or one of those grabs. I HATE ZANGIEF. Lol. But still I respect anyone who wins.
Omg everyone plays in yifans except me =( I gotta go get my skillz up
I don't play in Yifans either becasue I have to be at work :( I haven't frequented Yifans since the CvS2 days. I just get down there when I can, which is not often enough.
I coudln't agree more that at current that the few players that give me a hard time are:
Kevins = gief/ Sagat
Hue = Ryu
Ben = Boxer
Simon = Abel
Cody = Akuma
I am not referring that these guys are the top players but they are teh ones that gives me a hard time when i am playing against.
/defence shield ativated!!!
Would you guys say Simon is better with his Abel or Sagat?
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 16, 2009, 12:53:08 PM
Would you guys say Simon is better with his Abel or Sagat?
If you talk about skills, his Abel is obviously better than his Sagat (Cross up, confusing moves, reset combo, mix up with throw,...). But If we look at the winning ratio when he plays against the good players (Cody, Kevin, Andy, Ben) His Sagat will have more chances to win.
In my opinion, Abel is a fine character but his limitation is quite low coz of his moves. While Sagat is.... Overpower on the other hand.
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 16, 2009, 01:03:10 PM
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 16, 2009, 12:53:08 PM
Would you guys say Simon is better with his Abel or Sagat?
If you talk about skills, his Abel is obviously better than his Sagat (Cross up, confusing moves, reset combo, mix up with throw,...). But If we look at the winning ratio when he plays against the good players (Cody, Kevin, Andy, Ben) His Sagat will have more chances to win.
In my opinion, Abel is a fine character but his limitation is quite low coz of his moves. While Sagat is.... Overpower on the other hand.
I totally agree.
Even against me, i find i have a harder time fighting his sagat than his Abel, but he seems a lot more comfortable with Abel, and he uses a lot more of Abel's arsenal than he does Sagat's.
Although that might just be because abel is a considerably better match for El Fuerte than sagat, but i guess thats true for most characters.
Quote from: zosla on June 16, 2009, 12:39:49 PM
I coudln't agree more that at current that the few players that give me a hard time are:
Kevins = gief/ Sagat
Hue = Ryu
Ben = Boxer
Simon = Abel
Cody = Akuma
I am not referring that these guys are the top players but they are teh ones that gives me a hard time when i am playing against.
/defence shield ativated!!!
Fair call.
If you can get simon's Abel on the defensive, he loses a lot of his options. That being said, its pretty difficult to do that against simon anyway.
His sagat is a different story altogether though >_>
Don't play at Yifan's. I spent bloody $30 just yesterday. I should just buy the bloody game and a TE, it'd be cheaper.
stupid fish Abel is better because he knows the ins and outs of that char, whereas Faggot is new to him and he still got plenty to learn, though in saying so the Faggot got high potentials of being better than his Abel since he is just top tier/ overpowered lol.
I don't find is Faggot hard to beat once you get around it, but need I wouldn't confirm that now since I have not played him for ages and he has practice plenty from sponsor.
WTB execution................... anyone want to donate their console and game for a month :D?
Quote from: massi4h on June 16, 2009, 02:30:05 PM
Don't play at Yifan's. I spent bloody $30 just yesterday. I should just buy the bloody game and a TE, it'd be cheaper.
LOL... tbh its not truely that bad at yifans... just have like 2-3 games and if you lose that is that. its a learning thing to lose and make sure u learn from you mistakes.
I never spend more than $10 a day... usually $2-$4 max.... unless there are lots of people there to challenge :D
Quote from: massi4h on June 16, 2009, 02:30:05 PM
Don't play at Yifan's. I spent bloody $30 just yesterday. I should just buy the bloody game and a TE, it'd be cheaper.
But then your skills will remain the same even if you have the game at home and have no competition.
I have to admit that Kevin/Simon/Me/Cody probably has spent over $700 since the game first came out until now. With that money we could buy a PS3 and sit at home and play. But then, we will lose that $700 real battle experience. Beating the CPU over and over is no fun. And I'm not so sure about Online Matches. From what I know, It's pretty laggy (even 0.2s is a big different in fighting games, unless u dont use ur reaction)
The ONLY reason that i play game is competition. If there is no competition, there will be no motivation. And no motivation = no improvement.
That's being said, we (at least me,cody,simon and Kevin) has never felt that we are "unlucky" for not having the game at home. But it would be nice to have one at home so we can learn all the characters.
Quote from: zosla on June 16, 2009, 02:33:53 PM
stupid fish Abel is better because he knows the ins and outs of that char, whereas Faggot is new to him and he still got plenty to learn, though in saying so the Faggot got high potentials of being better than his Abel since he is just top tier/ overpowered lol.
I don't find is Faggot hard to beat once you get around it, but need I wouldn't confirm that now since I have not played him for ages and he has practice plenty from sponsor.
WTB execution................... anyone want to donate their console and game for a month :D?
Um, not me. Got Training drills to do, and Oz pros to beat on.
tho . . . What's with all the derogitory gay references and calling guys ladies Andy? Hmmmm . . .
Man I wish I lived in town so that I could play more often at yiffans.
And I hate that when I get to yiffans I cant use Gen.
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 16, 2009, 03:32:44 PM
Man I wish I lived in town so that I could play more often at yiffans.
And I hate that when I get to yiffans I cant use Gen.
Just come every Wed is fine. Just like Ben ^_^
Or maybe we should make Friday's noon or Sat's noon is SF4 time and everyone should gather at yifans and waste all the money lol.
lol or we could just rent pods and use a quater system on sat afternoons =P
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 16, 2009, 03:44:23 PM
lol or we could just rent pods and use a quater system on sat afternoons =P
But then you'd have to play against THE CONSOLE CHARACTERS :O
Quote from: fluxcore on June 16, 2009, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 16, 2009, 03:44:23 PM
lol or we could just rent pods and use a quater system on sat afternoons =P
But then you'd have to play against THE CONSOLE CHARACTERS :O
That shouldn't be a problem coz we are not running a tournament.
In fact, it's even better for people who don't have a console coz they can get used to fighting new characters before joining tournaments.
Quote from: hydrokinesis on June 16, 2009, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: zosla on June 16, 2009, 02:33:53 PM
stupid fish Abel is better because he knows the ins and outs of that char, whereas Faggot is new to him and he still got plenty to learn, though in saying so the Faggot got high potentials of being better than his Abel since he is just top tier/ overpowered lol.
I don't find is Faggot hard to beat once you get around it, but need I wouldn't confirm that now since I have not played him for ages and he has practice plenty from sponsor.
WTB execution................... anyone want to donate their console and game for a month :D?
Um, not me. Got Training drills to do, and Oz pros to beat on.
tho . . . What's with all the derogitory gay references and calling guys ladies Andy? Hmmmm . . .
um don't get what training drills or OZ pro you are doing....
I was referring SAGAT = Faggot :) that is if you got the wrong idea.
Wednesday lunch time is fine to gather at Yifans. But weekend sounds good too :) maybe at RvB for those interested we can get teat big screen for the few who are keen.
Hue u egg, so ur saying I am not competitive enought for u!!!! :'(
meh ok maybe not ;D
Wow dude, he meant lending you his ps3 & game
Just need some more beerz Andy!
Does this mean another RvB day on sat?
what ?? I've never said that..... Of course, I have hard times fighting against ur Ryu too.
But we haven't played against each other for so long. We should play from time to time so i can learn more from your Ryu ^_^ I think your style is closer to Daigo compare to mine. Mine is crap, random shit. lol
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 16, 2009, 04:41:46 PM
what ?? I've never said that..... Of course, I have hard times fighting against ur Ryu too.
But we haven't played against each other for so long. We should play from time to time so i can learn more from your Ryu ^_^ I think your style is closer to Daigo compare to mine. Mine is crap, random shit. lol
I hate when you say that kind of stuff Hue!!!! hate hate.
LOL we dun play becausde we use the same char and we share too many games lawl.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 16, 2009, 04:37:14 PM
Wow dude, he meant lending you his ps3 & game
oh hahaha hey I am SLOW!!! okay ENGLISH is not my first languange so its a bit hard to catch on some of the things people say and certainly I don't know anything about training or OZ pro... But Atleast James was nice enought to reply to my stupid post as it was a joke in the first place asking for that kind of stuff lol, I just post it for the laugh.
Just had a few games with simon's sagat.. hmmm diffinitely need more practice.
did his Sagat improve at all ??? After all those trainings he took. I hope he improved. lol
And I was serious when talking about your Ryu, Andy. I wont deny that u cannot do combo, But you still manage to win a lot coz you have good zonning skills and strategies (that's what i meant by closer to Daigo compare to my Ryu)
well, Not really imporved I would say, execution wise he has. apart from that its jsut a knock down from the start of till the end.
Yes I know my execution is REALLY bad. I seem tobe a slow learner for this particular one... its like since the first day i saw that fadc ultra move i was CURSED!!!
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 16, 2009, 06:28:02 PM
I wont deny that u cannot do combo,
Dang was that a burn or wot lol
Quote from: zosla on June 16, 2009, 06:43:19 PM
well, Not really imporved I would say, execution wise he has. apart from that its jsut a knock down from the start of till the end.
Yes I know my execution is REALLY bad. I seem tobe a slow learner for this particular one... its like since the first day i saw that fadc ultra move i was CURSED!!!
Im completely the opposite. Show me something, and I can do it consistently in a game within very short amounts of time.
But it takes me a loooooong time to learn spacing and zoning in a game. I tend to attack waaaaaay too much.
I wish SFIV was just a tad faster. Too make it more like ST.
Quote from: B1ackstar Ninja on June 16, 2009, 06:44:50 PM
Quote from: Cr8zyK1LL3r on June 16, 2009, 06:28:02 PM
I wont deny that u cannot do combo,
Dang was that a burn or wot lol
Ur quote missed out my other sentence. And it has a completely different meaning. Lol
Quote from: zosla on June 16, 2009, 05:43:42 PM
oh hahaha hey I am SLOW!!! okay ENGLISH is not my first languange so its a bit hard to catch on some of the things people say
Oh, no worries man, it's especially hard on the internet, being unable to see the expression of the person. Was just funny what you actually thought he was replying to :)
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 16, 2009, 06:45:48 PM
Im completely the opposite. Show me something, and I can do it consistently in a game within very short amounts of time.
But it takes me a loooooong time to learn spacing and zoning in a game. I tend to attack waaaaaay too much.
You're pretty freakish with execution Lenny, definitely one of the best I've encountered.
I on the other hand can generally do things kind of well when I start out, and then lose all ability later on (see my boxer's bnbs and viper FFF). Doesn't make much sense really, but there you go. I can't work out what my strength is in fighting games, other than spending all my waking hours learning completely trivial shit about them.
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 16, 2009, 06:45:48 PM
I wish SFIV was just a tad faster. Too make it more like ST.
Yeah they need SFIV:Turbo tbh. I'd find that fun.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 16, 2009, 08:09:56 PM
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 16, 2009, 06:45:48 PM
Im completely the opposite. Show me something, and I can do it consistently in a game within very short amounts of time.
But it takes me a loooooong time to learn spacing and zoning in a game. I tend to attack waaaaaay too much.
You're pretty freakish with execution Lenny, definitely one of the best I've encountered.
I on the other hand can generally do things kind of well when I start out, and then lose all ability later on (see my boxer's bnbs and viper FFF). Doesn't make much sense really, but there you go. I can't work out what my strength is in fighting games, other than spending all my waking hours learning completely trivial shit about them.
You are like my Fighting Game Sage, the guy I go to when I want to know stuff ;)
I can't be bothered in actually "learning" to play. I just fuck around with everybody.
Even in other games, I can't stick to one or two characters I really like. Oh wait, except for ST Ken and teh knee bash of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
I'm normally very good with execution, but I think what i am doing wrong here is that I am TOO quick when it comes to these combos... like you guys say, hyper fight mode!!!!
As normal, I'll be at yifans about 12:30 - 1 pm
guys come along and have some fun games.
Quote from: zosla on June 17, 2009, 09:11:51 AM
I'm normally very good with execution, but I think what i am doing wrong here is that I am TOO quick when it comes to these combos... like you guys say, hyper fight mode!!!!
As normal, I'll be at yifans about 12:30 - 1 pm
guys come along and have some fun games.
This trips me up a bit aswell. I think that for you personally (Just a guess here btw) the only time you tend to miss your FADC into ultra is from one particular side of the screen, and it looks like instead of entering the qcfx2 + Ultra motion, youre entering the shoryu shortcut (df x2) and subsequently getting EX shoryuken. (Like you say, because youre doing it a bit quick) Otherwise your speed is fine, just remember you have a big window for Ryu's shoryuken to hit. You can shoryu -> FADC -> wait -> Ultra and that shit will still hit. Its crazy.
No disrespect or anything. Just trying to offer what little advice i can. Actually I dont know why im telling you this. You probably already know it. :P
Quote from: zosla on June 17, 2009, 09:11:51 AM
I'm normally very good with execution, but I think what i am doing wrong here is that I am TOO quick when it comes to these combos... like you guys say, hyper fight mode!!!!
As normal, I'll be at yifans about 12:30 - 1 pm
guys come along and have some fun games.
Yeah so I can spend another $20 again today. Might have to pass lol, got a big exam tomorrow and Friday...
Quote from: massi4h on June 17, 2009, 11:15:07 AM
Quote from: zosla on June 17, 2009, 09:11:51 AM
I'm normally very good with execution, but I think what i am doing wrong here is that I am TOO quick when it comes to these combos... like you guys say, hyper fight mode!!!!
As normal, I'll be at yifans about 12:30 - 1 pm
guys come along and have some fun games.
Yeah so I can spend another $20 again today. Might have to pass lol, got a big exam tomorrow and Friday...
Pussy. Even Koo is less of a pussy than you now. Yeah, I just went there.
I do :D
but it easy to say than do lol. Just need to have more practice... which I don't because everytime i sit infront of the machine = war with the best in yifans lol....
Quote from: zosla on June 17, 2009, 11:36:51 AM
I do :D
but it easy to say than do lol. Just need to have more practice... which I don't because everytime i sit infront of the machine = war with the best in yifans lol....
Believe me. I know EXACTLY what you mean. :P
Quote from: zosla on June 17, 2009, 11:36:51 AM
I do :D
but it easy to say than do lol. Just need to have more practice... which I don't because everytime i sit infront of the machine = war with the best in yifans lol....
BEGINNER MODE !!!! lol :P
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 17, 2009, 11:20:06 AM
Quote from: massi4h on June 17, 2009, 11:15:07 AM
Quote from: zosla on June 17, 2009, 09:11:51 AM
I'm normally very good with execution, but I think what i am doing wrong here is that I am TOO quick when it comes to these combos... like you guys say, hyper fight mode!!!!
As normal, I'll be at yifans about 12:30 - 1 pm
guys come along and have some fun games.
Yeah so I can spend another $20 again today. Might have to pass lol, got a big exam tomorrow and Friday...
Pussy. Even Koo is less of a pussy than you now. Yeah, I just went there.
Pshh. Just cause I beat you last time we played with my Ragin Demon Ultra. What else do I need.
You must defeat Bobby to stand a chance
don't recall losing to u :D
or were you refering to smooof? ???
He means me =P I'm like his GARY MOTHERFUCKING OAK
OK i got some posters and pamphlets for the tournament.
Many Thanks to Graemme, job well done for hooking us up on these.
Anyone who wants to help put these up or hand them out soemwhere, please let me know and we can sort something out.
Quote from: zosla on June 18, 2009, 02:55:48 PM
OK i got some posters and pamphlets for the tournament.
Many Thanks to Graemme, job well done for hooking us up on these.
Anyone who wants to help put these up or hand them out soemwhere, please let me know and we can sort something out.
Seeing as im off work for at least another week im happy to go put some of these up out south here no probs .
MY wifes the manager of whitcoulls botany and she said I can put some up in the windows there , I go ask around some other shops too if that helps in botany and westfield manukau
yeah central Auckland and West Auckland I'll cover as I live out west :)
but all other places such as north shore and south Auckland will need some of u ladies who lives out there^^
Quote from: zosla on June 19, 2009, 08:42:52 AM
yeah central Auckland and West Auckland I'll cover as I live out west :)
but all other places such as north shore and south Auckland will need some of u ladies who lives out there^^
WHAT'S UP WITH CALLIN DUDES LADIES ANDY, IS IT MEANT TO BE INSULTING, CAUSE I GOT A RIGHT HOOK FOR YOU IN YOUR LEFT JAW IF IT IS.
Comprende?
Quote from: hydrokinesis on June 19, 2009, 09:38:48 AM
Quote from: zosla on June 19, 2009, 08:42:52 AM
yeah central Auckland and West Auckland I'll cover as I live out west :)
but all other places such as north shore and south Auckland will need some of u ladies who lives out there^^
WHAT'S UP WITH CALLIN DUDES LADIES ANDY, IS IT MEANT TO BE INSULTING, CAUSE I GOT A RIGHT HOOK FOR YOU IN YOUR LEFT JAW IF IT IS.
Comprende?
Haha, ill get behind him and you push.
Quote from: hydrokinesis on June 19, 2009, 09:38:48 AM
Quote from: zosla on June 19, 2009, 08:42:52 AM
yeah central Auckland and West Auckland I'll cover as I live out west :)
but all other places such as north shore and south Auckland will need some of u ladies who lives out there^^
WHAT'S UP WITH CALLIN DUDES LADIES ANDY, IS IT MEANT TO BE INSULTING, CAUSE I GOT A RIGHT HOOK FOR YOU IN YOUR LEFT JAW IF IT IS.
SHHHHOOORRRYYYUUKKEENNN!!!!
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 19, 2009, 10:40:58 AM
Quote from: hydrokinesis on June 19, 2009, 09:38:48 AM
Quote from: zosla on June 19, 2009, 08:42:52 AM
yeah central Auckland and West Auckland I'll cover as I live out west :)
but all other places such as north shore and south Auckland will need some of u ladies who lives out there^^
WHAT'S UP WITH CALLIN DUDES LADIES ANDY, IS IT MEANT TO BE INSULTING, CAUSE I GOT A RIGHT HOOK FOR YOU IN YOUR LEFT JAW IF IT IS.
SHHHHOOORRRYYYUUKKEENNN!!!!
Um more like this:
Whiffed Shoryuken. . .
S.hp xx hp.tk feint ~ c.hp xx ex.seismo ~ sjc mp.tk feint ~ mp.tk (corner) Ultra.
Expect it at the tourney, I'd put money on that muthafucker.
You do that to me all the time =_=
Does the mp.tk feint build meter? If it doesn't, what's the point? I've never had any problem connecting a simple sjc mp.tk after ex seismo on it's own...
Quote from: fluxcore on June 19, 2009, 11:02:28 AM
Does the mp.tk feint build meter? If it doesn't, what's the point? I've never had any problem connecting a simple sjc mp.tk after ex seismo on it's own...
The only thing it does is it makes the timing much more generous on hitting the mp.tk on certain characters (Gief/Honda/Gouken esp) and for show too ;).
But you're right however, 99 times out of 100 I'll just straight mp.tk or sjc mp.tk and it'll connect.
I really wanna put on a show for the tourney though, so watch me throw my TK feints 'willy nilly' hehehe ;)
Quote from: hydrokinesis on June 19, 2009, 11:07:49 AM
Quote from: fluxcore on June 19, 2009, 11:02:28 AM
Does the mp.tk feint build meter? If it doesn't, what's the point? I've never had any problem connecting a simple sjc mp.tk after ex seismo on it's own...
The only thing it does is it makes the timing much more generous on hitting the mp.tk on certain characters (Gief/Honda/Gouken esp) and for show too ;).
But you're right however, 99 times out of 100 I'll just straight mp.tk or sjc mp.tk and it'll connect.
I really wanna put on a show for the tourney though, so watch me throw my TK feints 'willy nilly' hehehe ;)
Last night I was usin my cousins lighter. You just grind the grindy bit that makes a spark without lighting the lighter. it looked like TK sparks so I did feints in front of the mirror with it. I looked pro as.
Quote from: hydrokinesis on June 19, 2009, 11:07:49 AM
I really wanna put on a show for the tourney though, so watch me throw my TK feints 'willy nilly' hehehe ;)
I vote this man has every match on a screen that's getting recorded.
Quote from: fluxcore on June 19, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
Quote from: hydrokinesis on June 19, 2009, 11:07:49 AM
I really wanna put on a show for the tourney though, so watch me throw my TK feints 'willy nilly' hehehe ;)
I vote this man has every match on a screen that's getting recorded.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
...
;)
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 19, 2009, 11:11:03 AM
Last night I was usin my cousins lighter. You just grind the grindy bit that makes a spark without lighting the lighter. it looked like TK sparks so I did feints in front of the mirror with it. I looked pro as.
OMG for the lol!!!
I DEMAND lighters be sparked thusly for my matches at the tourney now MUAHAHAHAHAHAHEHAHE ;D
OMG IT'LL BE LIKE JWO'S RUFUS! Viper will be all holding hands in the air and we'll all hold up lighters and be liek *flick* I also vote we do shinryukens for Euan
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 19, 2009, 11:23:11 AM
OMG IT'LL BE LIKE JWO'S RUFUS! Viper will be all holding hands in the air and we'll all hold up lighters and be liek *flick* I also vote we do shinryukens for Euan
I'll make it official by saying this: I'll happily by a drink for anyone who feints their lighters for me during my matches lol. Let's get that Viper HYPE baby!
Weazzy inc.....
Quote from: hydrokinesis on June 19, 2009, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 19, 2009, 11:23:11 AM
OMG IT'LL BE LIKE JWO'S RUFUS! Viper will be all holding hands in the air and we'll all hold up lighters and be liek *flick* I also vote we do shinryukens for Euan
I'll make it official by saying this: I'll happily by a drink for anyone who feints their lighters for me during my matches lol. Let's get that Viper HYPE baby!
What can we get people to do for Gen? Cough and Splutter?
Quote from: hydrokinesis on June 19, 2009, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 19, 2009, 11:23:11 AM
OMG IT'LL BE LIKE JWO'S RUFUS! Viper will be all holding hands in the air and we'll all hold up lighters and be liek *flick* I also vote we do shinryukens for Euan
I'll make it official by saying this: I'll happily by a drink for anyone who feints their lighters for me during my matches lol. Let's get that Viper HYPE baby!
Holy shit, I'm buying a lighter
YOU CANNOT DODGE WHAT YOU CANNOT SEE! *evil grin and 2 finger pose*
Quote from: electric on June 19, 2009, 11:34:11 AM
Quote from: hydrokinesis on June 19, 2009, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 19, 2009, 11:23:11 AM
OMG IT'LL BE LIKE JWO'S RUFUS! Viper will be all holding hands in the air and we'll all hold up lighters and be liek *flick* I also vote we do shinryukens for Euan
I'll make it official by saying this: I'll happily by a drink for anyone who feints their lighters for me during my matches lol. Let's get that Viper HYPE baby!
Holy shit, I'm buying a lighter
I second that!
Quote from: Lennysaurus Rex on June 19, 2009, 11:32:07 AM
Quote from: hydrokinesis on June 19, 2009, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: Smoofikith on June 19, 2009, 11:23:11 AM
OMG IT'LL BE LIKE JWO'S RUFUS! Viper will be all holding hands in the air and we'll all hold up lighters and be liek *flick* I also vote we do shinryukens for Euan
I'll make it official by saying this: I'll happily by a drink for anyone who feints their lighters for me during my matches lol. Let's get that Viper HYPE baby!
What can we get people to do for Gen? Cough and Splutter?
Does he still say "You are big foo"?
I love that line :)
what line? cloth line :P?
Quote from: zosla on June 22, 2009, 09:17:05 AM
what line? cloth line :P?
This is...insane. I mean not only what? and why? but how?!
Quote from: zosla on June 22, 2009, 09:17:05 AM
what line? cloth line :P?
MY FACE!!! I CANT STOP IT FROM HITTING MY PALM!!